what was the first continuous DJ mix on CD?

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I'm thinking this art form did not/could not exist before the advent of CD.

lukeeluke (soulex45), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

Uh tapes?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

Fuck tapes. I wuz fuckin' shit up with my friends by recording my favorite dee-jay jams wit my dick-ta-phone, y'all.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

(I'm really trying to avoid answering the question -- ignoring the very naive subject -- because I think it may have been Jive Bunny)

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

If not Jive Bunny, Stars on 45 may qualify? There were definately records all through the late 70s and 80s of non-stop mixes, especially of the "bring the disco home!" and "aerobic workout mix!" variety.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 10 November 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

Jive Bunny & The Mixmasters - The CD (1989)

This CAN'T be the first. I think Dan is right. I'm sure someone somewhere did some cursory CD issue of some Stars On 45 thing in 1987 or something... probably in Europe.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Friday, 11 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Then again, I searched on discogs and found only a Stars On 45 collection release in 1990. Dear god... this can't be.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Friday, 11 November 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

In any case, to answer the question *in context*, the first continuous DJ mix committed to a professionally released format was certainly sometime in the early 60s at the latest... There used to be a lot of live radio shows pressed to vinyl that were sent out to military in the reserves, so they could entertain themselves.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Friday, 11 November 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Coldcut's Journeys By DJ?

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 11 November 2005 01:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure the KLF must have done this before Jive Bunny etc but surely Detroit Techno and old skool hip hop djs must have released these? Oh yeh - there's that electro jamz mix from the early 80s.

dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)

this fits this thread somehow but i'm not sure how, it's certainly well pre-CD.

http://m.nu/musik/worldtc.html

jed_ (jed), Friday, 11 November 2005 02:23 (twenty years ago)

Coldcut's Journeys By DJ? ?

Even the Coldcut one is like volume 9 of JDJ, and it came out like six years after Jive Bunny!

(though was Jive Bunny all originals mixed? did they not use session hack re-recordings [I thought Stars On 45 did for sure...])

I'm sure the KLF must have done this before Jive Bunny etc

They never released any DJ mixes at all (not least because they didn't DJ, though Cauty did with Alex Paterson at parties in his squat), let alone before 1989. Chill Out is one continuous take (they stopped tape everytime they made a mistake and started from the beginning), but is overwhelmingly their own compositions, rather than other peoples' records, and was largely performed in real time too, not strictly mixing pre-recorded pieces.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 11 November 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

It's probably not the oldest or anything (1981 actually) but howzabout a shout out to the B-52's Party Mix.

everything, Friday, 11 November 2005 06:44 (twenty years ago)

The Party Mix/Mesopotamia CD got issued in 1990... close though!

I still can't believe there isn't anything proven to predate the Jive Bunny CD on this matter. I mean, I have a LOT of 1988 era acid house CDs, but none of them are mix CDs.

I have The Shamen's Phorward maxi-CD-single, which has a mega-mix on it, but it's not the entirety of the CD. But it's from 1988.

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Friday, 11 November 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

Mr DJ 'O' Nut you are mistaken. 'Party Mix' was definitely 1981. The rerelease (with Mesopotania) was later.

Ned T.Rifle, Friday, 11 November 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

Also Stars on 45 (for that matter) had hits in the early 1980s.

And according to this, started out as bootlegs!
http://gernhardt.com/beatles/cover/mccd192.html
Cool.

Ned, Friday, 11 November 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

Anyway neither the B52s or Stars on 45 are really DJ mixes. Surely Larry Leven and his contemporaries were putting out tapes in the late 70s? And, of course, Grandmaster Flash was DJing at that point as well.

But, anyway still no answer to the specific question? "DJ" on "CD"?

Ned, Friday, 11 November 2005 08:31 (twenty years ago)

that Disco Par-r-rty LP from 1973? i think that was a continuous mix. but not on CD.

zappi (joni), Friday, 11 November 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

Mr DJ 'O' Nut you are mistaken. 'Party Mix' was definitely 1981. The rerelease (with Mesopotania) was later.

Um, we're talking about CDs, right? What CDs were around in 1981?

(plurplurplur) ^_- DJ 'O' Nut -_^ (rulprulprulp) (donut), Friday, 11 November 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

i have salsoul and philly int continuous mix LPs from the 70's - but ah yep unless they appeared on cd they aren't relevant i guess.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 11 November 2005 09:00 (twenty years ago)

Ahhh yeah....that'd be the very rare proto-CDs I have in my collection...made of wax...and er...invisible.

My apologies.

Ned, Friday, 11 November 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Further to this (but a bit unrelated) I read that the first commercial CD's came out in 1982. I was later cathcing onto this than I thought - I didn't buy one until 1990. It was a DJ mix though - it was The Fall.

So now we need to find disco mixes released now earlier than 1982 (more likely 1983 though I would think).

There must be a list somewhere.

Ned T.Rifle, Friday, 11 November 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. DJ (rules out Jive Bunny)... CD... so presumably not a re-release, right? Also should be one continuous mix across the whole CD.

My recollection is that DJ mix CDs of contemporary tracks started appearing in earnest around Summer 94, eg. Rachel Auburn's Freska and some of the stuff on React (although most if not all of the early React stuff was unmixed).

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 November 2005 11:03 (twenty years ago)

what're the liscencing differences between sticking out a dj mix and a straightforward comp btw? seems dj mixes are easier for some reason...?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 11 November 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

Thomas Edison - DJ E Kicks Out the Motherfuckin' Party Jams, Foxtrot Style

The Marquis of Cauliflower (noodle vague), Friday, 11 November 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Searching Discogs for "Format: CD , Mixed" AND "Released: 19nn" reveals a few candidates as far back as 1992, all from Italy, The Netherlands and France... although not all of these are credited to single DJ.

As for UK releases: this set of results reveals the following candidates:

Mixmaster Morris - Chill Out Or Die!
Mrs Wood Teaches Techno
Billy Nasty - Journeys By DJ Vol 1
(There's also Sasha & Dave Seaman - DJ Culture, which is two separate mixes.)

In the US, there's a mix from Howard Kessler from 1992, called MTV Party To Go Volume 2 (Tommy Boy), but the notes say "Some of the beat-mixes were done with the aid of samplers/sequencers."
http://www.discogs.com/release/179493

In 1993, the same Billy Nasty Journeys By DJ mix pops up again, as well as a David Morales mix called Platinum On Black (which, strangely, features UK tracks).
http://www.discogs.com/release/189361

Also:
DJ Vitamin D - House For Sale Vol. 1
Strictly Rhythm Mix by Tony Humphries
Dave Seaman & Sasha - DJ Culture Vol. 1: The Stress Compilation (again, 2 separate mixes)

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 November 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

In keeping with what zappi said way upthread, jahsonic.com has this to say (from http://www.jahsonic.com/Tape.html):

Who made the first mastermix?

Eh … dunno.

But neither does anyone else.

Last Night a DJ Saved My Life supplies some clues. By October 1974, John Addison had been making live reel-to-reel recordings of New York DJ sets for some time, selling them over the phone for a hefty $75 a pop. In the same month, just as Billboard magazine was alerting the industry to this illegal practice, Spring records released the Disco Par-r-rty LP as ‘the first non-stop dancing LP record’. No DJ or editor was credited for this segued mastermix.


And no this isn't talking about cds, but it does suggest that the statement at the top of the thread (but not in the title) would be incorrect. Still doesn't answer the thread title question, though.

matt2 (matt2), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't thinking just CDs, but vinyl. When did Ben Liebrand start doing his annual top dance cuts on CD thing?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

just to add some more offtopicness to the thread:
the first commercially available mixtape i can remember listening to was the XL second chapter mixtape: http://www.discogs.com/release/326080

i can actually remember plenty of bootleg-ish cd mixes from around the same time, usually sold in the same section of the dj shop as the DMC/Hotmix stuff, but i don't think they were anything legal or "commercial"

speaking of Hotmix, does anyone know if this is mixed or un?

http://www.discogs.com/release/242178

cos the Hotmix guys usually did the megamix/continuous mix thing, and this came out in 1988

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

oh and then there's this too, but i don't think it counts:

http://www.discogs.com/release/126501

rentboy (rentboy), Friday, 11 November 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Not wholly surprisingly...

Where is the love for Visage?

Seriously though, I would very much like to hear from the early 1970s. There's some history right there.


Ned T.Rifle, Friday, 11 November 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Oops...that should have shown that at Discogs "No members have this/ No members want this" about the Visage comp.

Then it wouls make sense (sort of).

Ned, Friday, 11 November 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Disconet were doing their best of year "top tune" medleys from 1977...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Friday, 11 November 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Hooked On Classics to thread...

Edward Bax (EdBax), Friday, 11 November 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

If the Hotmix CD Rentboy mentioned above isn't a continous mix, then I think this might be the first DJ mix on CD:

Ben Liebrand ‎– Grandmix 88

It came out in 1989.

As for vinyl, I guess this LP (also mentioned above) is the first continous mix, at least according to Billboard magazine:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Disco-Par-r-r-ty/release/1393444

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 08:34 (thirteen years ago)

Makes sense, Liebrand was probably the biggest name 'megamixer' this side of the pond back then, the big labels all went to him for 12" edits. His annual Grandmix (1985 onwards?) was an institution all across Europe. Surprised the older mixes didn't get a CD release tho.

Siegbran, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 08:45 (thirteen years ago)

Actually, searching the Discogs database proves I'm wrong! If you don't count single artist and studio band medleys, or megamixes, the first continous DJ mix on CD appears to be this one from 1985:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Super-Maxis-On-CD-Maxi-Mania/release/1317400

This one came out a year earlier, but the notes say that "all titles are about 3 to 5 seconds into each other", so it's not a DJ mix.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 08:53 (thirteen years ago)

The Liebrand mix CD appears to be the first one that was specifically marketed with the DJ's name though, instead of being just an anonymous "various artists" type of compilation.

What about those 70s disco mix LPs? Were they ever credited to the DJ? The ones I've come across usually look like that Disco Par-r-r-ty comp or this one, where the DJ's name might be found on small print in the credits, but not on the album cover.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 08:59 (thirteen years ago)

As for vinyl, I guess this LP (also mentioned above) is the first continous mix, at least according to Billboard magazine:

http://www.discogs.com/Various-Disco-Par-r-r-ty/release/1393444

the rosko show lp predates that record by a couple years and i'm sure you could easily find earlier examples of radio host/dj type mixes doing some digging. weren't those cheap k-tel comps from the early 70s continuous mixes of sorts also?

http://www.discogs.com/Various-The-Rosko-Show/release/1726997

cock chirea, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 10:09 (thirteen years ago)

Yeah, I've heard that Rosko Show LP, but IIRC it's isn't a "DJ mix" in the sense we talk about them, i.e. a seamless mix of various songs... Isn't it more like Rosko playing tunes and talking between them?

Also, I wouldn't count the sort of comps where the songs otherwise play in full, but they fade into each other a few seconds before they would otherwise end, as DJ mixes, even if they kinda technically are. What we're talking about here is the sort of mixes DJs were playing in discos/clubs, i.e. where some effort was put into mixing the songs together.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 10:20 (thirteen years ago)

AFAIK know the art of seamless mixing and beatmatching didn't even exist before the late 60s (with Francis Grasso usually being named as the first DJ to do that), so any earlier examples probably don't count.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 10:23 (thirteen years ago)

yep, i get your point. with rosko it was prob 50/50: some smooth transitions between tracks and also a few seconds gaps with the guy introducing songs over fade outs. pretty sure i came across a few soul/reggae comps from the same period where the mixing was kind of smooth tho. can't recall which ones now, will dig some of those out.

cock chirea, Tuesday, 30 October 2012 11:06 (thirteen years ago)


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