I just had a rant about Rachel Stevens

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cellar door says:
havnt heard a gd song of hers yet

ME:
thats crazy

Me says:
aside from girls aloud i think shes had a couple of the best pop singles of the decade

cellar door says:
i dont like some girls

cellar door says:
wat!!

cellar door says:
your insane!

ME:
some girls is great. There's so much going on in the song, i must have heard it 50 times and i still pick up on new things, which is amazing for a mainstream pop song.

ME:
why am i insane?

cellar door says:
cos your the only person i have ever met who likes her

cellar door says:
seriously]

ME:
her album is in my top 5 of the year

Me:
out of the 70 odd new releases i have

cellar door says:
well if thats how you feel

cellar door says:
bu if you were to compare her with kylie would you say rachel is better?

cellar door says:
or gwen stefani

ME:
people who aren't kids like to like pop music in an ironic way. Like the way a lot of people like Busted. They like them but theres an element of laughing at them too. You don't get people liking them and discussing the merits of their music seriously

ME:
gwen stefani's album is mostly rubbish

Me:
kylie has had a great long career, you can't really compare her with rachel stevens. But she was lucky to have amazing songwriters on her last album and she is very iconic

cellar door says:
ok yes i would agree gwen stefanis album is not gd

ME:
'Cool' is not even in the same league as most of the stuff on rachel stevens latest album

cellar door says:
i do see what you mean

cellar door says:
maybe i dont hear it the same way you do

ME:
and a lot of people call it manufatured music. as if thats a terrible thing

ME:
like the song just wrote itself, which is ridiculous, someone somewhere wrote the thing

ME:
its been happening since the 60s with soul music. Half of Otis Reddings first album was covers.

cellar door says:
yeah that is true, its similar to people who dont like mainstream music

ME:
the art of interpretation is misrepresented in 21st century pop music criticism.

ME:
people like to liek their little rock bands and indie bands but the same principals apply

ME:
the record company tells them what songs to record, and who is producing them
ME:
people kid themselves if they thing bands have a singular control on their output

cellar door says:
you have a point, but you must understand i dont dislike rachel stevens music cos its her, i just havnt found anything i particular like

ME:
yeah i know, but most people dislike her, or because she is 'manufactured'. Its annoying because I think this is one of the best albums of the year and it sold a ridiculous amount of records and she will probably get dropped from her label because of it.

ME:
If a rock band makes a good album they get rewarded with stadium tours, great sales and more albums.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Sunday, 13 November 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

you've certainly swallowed the ILM line. hook line and sinker, as they say.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

ILM: proudly brainwashing people into pretending to like silly girly pop music since 2002.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

"If a rock band makes a good album they get rewarded with stadium tours, great sales and more albums."

Oh yeah, this is certainly entirely borne out by history innit.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Except for the good album bit.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

you've certainly swallowed the ILM line. hook line and sinker, as they say.

-- jed_ (colin_o_har...), November 13th, 2005.

Nah, most of the time ILM is full of jaded self-important wankers (this makes it sound like i'm talking about you, i'm not). This is what I think. I really enjoy that album and can't understand why its not at least popular in the charts.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

"If a rock band makes a good album they get rewarded with stadium tours, great sales and more albums."
Oh yeah, this is certainly entirely borne out by history innit.

-- Raw Patrick (rawsweate...), November 13th, 2005.

I mean when they make an album that is deemed good by the music press. Case in point: Kaiser Chiefs.

I read plenty of great reviews for Rachel Stevens. But her sales are bad, she might not get to make another album and well she probably wouldn't tour much anyway.

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Do you think she'd go down well at G.A.Y. even?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

ILM: proudly brainwashing people into pretending to like silly girly pop music since 2002.

I liked silly girly pop music long before I discovered ILM. I was buying Shangri-Las vinyl comps in the 80s, for chrissakes.

― John Hunter, Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, girly pop was a big part of my childhood. I think it started with my dad's Shirelles collection. (I learned it from you, dad!)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe even his Andrews Sisters collection.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I was skitting jed's yawnsomely cynical initial response, guys.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh I know. I was just navel-gazing about the roots of my girly-pop love.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 13 November 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

What's wrong with "Cool"? Why is Rachel Stevens better than Gwen?

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

all cellar door was saying was that he hadn't heard a good rachel stevens song and doesn't like "some girls", it was harri that turned it into a popist (?) argument which, since CellarDoor seems at least partially in favour of both Gwen and Kylie, doesn't really seem justified. i'd have previously been predisposed in favour of the argument in harri's "rant" (that manufactured does not equal bad) but increased exposure to it on ILM has turned me against it and, after all, you're (mostly) preaching to the converted on here.

however, i am sorry for being rude to you harri.

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

Weirdos rooting for pop-not-pop on ILM.

― deej.. (deej..), Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

/Sorry jed i'm just hungover and grumpy.

I overcome the Papist/Plymouth Rockist dichotomy by thinking of everything as Pop.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)

/Sorry jed i'm just hungover and grumpy.

so was i when i initially posted ;)

― jed_ (jed), Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

Rachel Stevens is v. good but I think I like "Cool" at least as much as anything she's done, if not more.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

people who aren't kids like to like pop music in an ironic way. Like the way a lot of people like Busted. They like them but theres an element of laughing at them too. You don't get people liking them and discussing the merits of their music seriously

Whoa, popism (or whatever). I like Kylie plenty in a non-ironic way--and I think Rachel Stevens is boring, again in a non-ironic way. It's not the case that everyone who doesn't share your taste is part of a vast ironic rockist conspiracy; it's just that, for whatever reason, they dig the sound of "Cool" more than "Some Girls." This is certainly the case with me. I love the Gwen album and I'll take "Made of Glass" over any Rachel Stevens song, and it has nothing to do with any of this 'anti-manufactured-pop' straw-man idea.

― mrjosh (mrjosh), Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:39 (twenty years ago)

Rachel is anti-pop, she's the secret Black Sabbath of pop.

― Acid house girls and flowers (fandango), Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Rachel is anti-pop, she's the secret Black Sabbath of pop.

Based on her underwhelming album sales, I'd say that she's just a secret, period.

― John Hunter, Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:45 (twenty years ago)

no good songs , no bad videos.

― retrogurl, Monday, 14 November 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Also what made BUSTED!! so fun was the mix of loving them, laughing at them, laughing with them, fearing for them, getting frustrated with them, cheering them on, trying to work out which way they were pulling and finally weeping as Charlie went to the bad side like Agent Cooper in Twin Peaks.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 14 November 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

Yo dude Charlie roXOr.

― alext (alext), Monday, 14 November 2005 10:24 (twenty years ago)

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