Andrew Sullivan, rock critic, on Madonna's new album.

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The old girl (and his new Time honchos) get it all wrong:

The great virtue of Madonna, apart from her Catholic roots, is her lack of musical pretension. She's a pop artist, not a "rock star." I loathe most rock criticism, as I loathe most of rock and roll, because of its absurd pretension to seriousness. Madonna isn't innocent here, of course. She has made her fair share of dumb-ass pronouncements in her time. But at her best, she is a pure pop performer. Her new album is the best she has ever done, in my opinion. You can't stop enjoying its shameless superficiality, its joyous rhythms, its '80s disco uplift. Yeah, I know this will look like a suck-up to my new hosts, but Time's Josh Tyrangiel gets it exactly right:
Over a pulsing synthesizer, a ticking clock, a rumbling timpani and countless other perfectly calibrated whirs and beeps, Madonna declares, "I don't like cities, but I like New York/Other places make me feel like a dork." This is not the most ridiculous lyric ever uttered in a pop song--that remains "Yummy yummy yummy/I got love in my tummy." Still, it is awfully silly, and before you press on with the album, you will need to ask yourself, Am I a serious person who listens to music for intellectual enlightenment and makes it a point of pride not to dance under any circumstances? Or am I merely a semi-serious person who makes it a point not to be seen dancing under any circumstances? If you're the former, Confessions on a Dance Floor is not for you. If you're the latter, close the blinds.
The DP and I have had the blinds closed for a while now. The groove goes on.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

But he speaks for the masses. Er, wait.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

does "DP" = domestic partner?

ken taylrr never her (ken taylrr), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

I believe so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

In this case, DP may = Director of Promotion

Edward III (edward iii), Monday, 14 November 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

Another homo bites the bait.

"Her new album is the best she has ever done" is the new pink.

Richj (Rich), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

"Stands comfortably alongside her best work"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

"her lack of musical pretension"

whatever

Acid house girls and flowers (fandango), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes, "Vogue" wasn't at all pretentious. "Papa Don't Preach" and most of that American Life album weren't stabs at seriousness. Please.

khkjh, Monday, 14 November 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Madonna declares, "I don't like cities, but I like New York/Other places make me feel like a dork."

Barney Sumner just punched himself in the face because he only wishes he wrote that line.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Hahahah

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 14 November 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

There was that intriguing interview with Stuart Price, where, in the Guardian? Where he refutes the notion that Madonna has nothing to do with the songs more than the singing. He refers to her as an old-school type producer, which basically means someone who knows how to arrange, and ultimately says what should stay and what should go. Unfortunately, Price doesn't go into more detail, or reveal how different the tracks might have turned out had he worked on them with no outside interference and hired some random anonydiva to sing his songs.

That said, the new record is probably Madonna's most infectious start to finish record since her first, though with the exception of the "dork" lyric the words are largely lazy and banal self-empowerment tripe, full of mangled half-metaphors.

So, basically, Sullivan only about half OTM.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and welcome to vertical intergration, "Sully." The Madonna suck up in, er, Time, extends well beyond your praise. If anything, Sullivan's review is a suck up of a suck up!

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

does "DP" = Dippy Princess?

rentboy (rentboy), Monday, 14 November 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

Her new album is the best she has ever done, in my opinion. You can't stop enjoying its shameless superficiality, its joyous rhythms, its '80s disco uplift.

I can't stop enjoying the shameless superficiality, joyous rhythms, and '80s disco uplift of Madonna, Like a Virgin, and True Blue. Maybe if Confessions on a Dancefloor had a lot of more of these qualities and a lot less Kaballah/new age nonsense, it would be as good as those albums. The admittedly fabulous "Hung Up" and the "New York"/"dork" rhyme do not by themselves a classic pop album make.

John Hunter, Monday, 14 November 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

Complaining about Madonna's lyrics and her banal self-empowerment trip in 2005 is like complaining that the Star Wars films have bad dialogue and wooden acting.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

I loathe most of rock and roll, because of its absurd pretension to seriousness.

thank god he left some wiggle room for weird al yankovic.

michael crumsho (clikatowi), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

The either/or polarity re serious/semi-serious people that the Time critic constructs is so ridiculous as to defy all rational thought.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

"Music" >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hung Up"

Somehow manages to fit the tediousness of a bad 12" extended mix into a radio edit. Gold into shit.

Acid house girls and flowers (fandango), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

At least she's not caught singing "I'm gonna stand the test of time / I'm gonna take back what is mine" GGAAAAAHGH I actually created an edit of that Rachel Stevens song that excises just those lines each time the chorus comes in.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Complaining about Madonna's lyrics and her banal self-empowerment trip in 2005 is like complaining that the Star Wars films have bad dialogue and wooden acting.

This would be true if she didn't keep emphasizing her lyrics (as in Confessions on a Dance Floor). Her very own, built-in "pretension to seriousness" is always fair game.

Richj (Rich), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

But in music (especially pop music) "confessions" denotes a discourse that's as much formed by aural and sonic signifiers as it is by lyrics.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

I think it's cool that Sullivan is enjoying the new CD he bought. I like the new Deerhoof.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

Except when it doesn't:

"That's why I called it Confessions on a Dance Floor," Madonna explains. "Most people equate dance music with being fluffy and superficial; it's just about having fun. That's fine, but I can't write 12 songs about nothing. My feelings or point of view inevitably sneaks in."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-10-27-madonna_x.htm?POE=LIFISVA

Richj (Rich), Monday, 14 November 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

dp:dozy prick

dumdum, Monday, 14 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

You bitter old queens, all of you.

maria b (maria b), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Oh my god.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, most dance tracks feature banal lyrics, but Madonna seems to want people to actually listen and think about them. Which is why their banality comes across (to me) as somewhat curious. Sort of the same way Trent Reznor pains himself over presenting an unfiltered glimpse into his soul, but his lyrics come off like high school notebook margin scribbles. He *wants* you to listen, but it's hard to tell why. Madonna *wants* you to listen, but damned if I know what she wants me to take away from listening.

That said, I like the record a lot. And Nine Inch Nails, for that matter. This boils down to the lyrics vs. music debate, which is to say (I guess like Alfred's "Star Wars" mention) that the words don't matter ass long as the special effects are cool.

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Imo, Holiday, Live To Tell and Borderline are her best songs, none
of which she actually wrote (she has commisioned songwriters).

Now, she has morphed into a thick, hairy, masculinized
SKANKER-BIATCH, and her 'new songs', really really
suck.

She used to be a cute feminine virgin, gosh how I miss
the Madonna of yesteryear, BEFORE her estrogen levels
plummeted and her testosterone levels exploded.


jibby, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:06 (twenty years ago)

Am I a serious person who listens to music for intellectual enlightenment and makes it a point of pride not to dance under any circumstances? Or am I merely a semi-serious person who makes it a point not to be seen dancing under any circumstances?

Not figuring into his equation: serious people who like to dance to dance music.

Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

I thought that was only Europeans.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:45 (twenty years ago)

And Koreans too, obv.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/fez_/atariface.gif

Good Dog (Good Dog), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)

Now then, now then. Claws away, girls! Settle down!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

I actually quite like the lyric to "Hung Up," which after all makes a stab at developing A Metaphor, Or Possibly A Pun. I'm hung up on you! I'm hanging on the telephone! But I'm hanging up now! It's not Nabokov, or even Jackie Collins, or even...I've forgotten me point.

brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

if i want fluffy lyrics and silliness i think i will stick with the andy bell solo record, which i think is quite fabulous. i never really understood the obsession with madonna really. i have nothing against her, barring her self-righteous attitude, but really give me a real queen over a fake queen anyday. :)

ehbenoit, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Imo, Holiday, Live To Tell and Borderline are her best songs, none
of which she actually wrote (she has commisioned songwriters)

She co-wrote "Live To Tell' with co-producer Patrick Leonard (still her best collaborator).

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

...makes it a point of pride not to dance under any circumstances?

what the fuck? what a freak.

piscesboy, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

"I don't like cities, but I like New York/Other places make me feel like a dork."

Was the album recorded in New York? If otherwise, then... Oh well, nevermind :)

Anyway, I consider this her best work in ages. Not her best work ever - that will be the perfect pop album that was "Like a Prayer", but certainly her best dance oriented effort. While the previous two albums found her a bit on the sideline of the electro revival, using a somewhat too eccentric producer, the new album finds her in the excact same musical landscape as Kylie Minogue or Annie, only better because she is such a great songwriter.

I was a bit sceptical upon hearing the way too sample-dependent "Hung Up"-single, but I absolutely love this new album, and luckily the samples (they do occur!) are less obvious in the other tracks. Certainly better than I expected!

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

She co-wrote "Live To Tell' with co-producer Patrick Leonard (still her best collaborator).

If you listen to "This Used To Be My Playground", co-written with Shep Pettibone, you clearly hear similarities in the way of building the tune with "Live To Tell" and the "Like a Prayer"-ballads, proving she has certainly had an important hand in the songwriting herself (and not only the lyrics, which were obviously her own, at least from "Papa Don't Preach" onwards)

Other than that, I agree that Patrick Leonard is her best songwriting collaborator, but at the same time, her possibly most boring producer. It worked greatly with the slower songs on "Like a Prayer", her least dance oriented album, but Leonard has never had a good hand with more dance oriented material. So, back in 1998, Leonard writing and William Orbit producing was a match made in heaven kind of.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

"I can't stop enjoying the shameless superficiality, joyous rhythms, and '80s disco uplift of Madonna, Like a Virgin, and True Blue."

To me, the new album sounds way more 80s than the latter two mentioned above.

That being said, to me, the 80s the way I loved them (analogue synths and "fake" drum machine sounds) ended around the release of "Like a Virgin" anyway :)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

The DP and I have had the blinds closed for a while now. The groove goes on.

This is just not an image I want in my head.

justsaying, Tuesday, 15 November 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

I haven't heard this album yet but my visceral reaction to a lot of the aimless, crotch-grasping drivel being spouted on this thread is making me want to declare it to be the best album of 2005.

Dan (WTF People????) Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

People people! Do you realize that Madonna recorded American Life only TWO YEARS AGO???? The fact that this album is any good at all is a fucking miracle.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:08 (twenty years ago)

American Life is a good record. This one is just a lot better.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:09 (twenty years ago)

DP is also common porn slang for double-penetration, but Sullivan can be forgiven for not knowing, or ignoring, that...

Pete Scholtes, Wednesday, 16 November 2005 02:00 (twenty years ago)

Stop analysing and just listen.... It's a catchy.... why is she always just spat on by music "intellectuals" (jealous prats)... it's a great little disco album probably the best I have heard in years... Ms Minogue puts out some great stuff in the genre but there are often some really some weak links in her albums, whereas confessions just rolls on for 50 something minutes with no point where you want to turn it off or skip a track (the dork line is of course a big cringe moment).... stop wanking about the lyrics and just buy it or leave it. If you don't like success on the scale Madonna has achieved deal with your issues and get something positive in your life

shamus, Sunday, 27 November 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

You will have to pardon me if I don't give this album a fair chance as Madge's last few records have really irritated me. There are so many better things to do than listen to some has been's latest release to mine for an unlikely return-to-form.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Sunday, 27 November 2005 09:15 (twenty years ago)

Stop analysing and just listen

Not bloody likely. But it is a good album.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 27 November 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

well, at least andy has better taste in music than eric alterman.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 28 November 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

Ha, amen.

Pete Scholtes, Monday, 28 November 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)


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