current example: pink floyd, "wish you were here" (a song i don't know well at all and have no real history with)
earlier example: ray charles, "i got a woman"
i suspect this phenomenon--if indeed it's a phenomenon and not just my own idiosyncrasy--could tell us something about how music works-- as information processed by our brains that is.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:02 (nineteen years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)
― gem (trisk), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:00 (nineteen years ago)
Last night when a friend pointed out something to me I reacted like a dick (Oh f*ck off, I don't need this right now, ok? thx.) and half an hour later I found out the lyrics to that Fall track are:
I lost my temper with a friendMocked him and treated him with rudenessAnd though I tried to make amendsFeel I miss him and walk a dark corridor
― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 07:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Matt Sephton (emsef), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 09:51 (nineteen years ago)
On "Blockbusters" once, the question was "What is the third line of "God Save the Queen" and I immediately answered "They made you a moron"" which got no points. Just as well I wasn't actually on the telly.
― mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Lady Totteringby-Gently (kate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:14 (nineteen years ago)
You're secretly Belgian? (today is Dynasty Day in Belgium)
― StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 10:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago)
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago)
― petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago)
most of us probably know a good deal more than 25,000 songs. (i somehow didn't believe this when i first typed it, but then i noted that i have at least 8,000 songs on my computer alone.)
i don't think this phenomenon is a matter of my drawing a connection between my life and the lyrics after the fact. that happens often enough. i think there is a definite precognitive activity happening here; the lyrics are in my memory, but it's the tune that surfaces first.
this suggests to me that in some ways music can function as a way of recalling information, roughly analogous to the way a visually arresting advertisement might help you to recall the information provided in the advertisement. the recollection of patterns (which is what music is, patterns upon patterns) provides a means of recollected meaning.
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)
― darin (darin), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago)
For instance, what about people who claim that they don't listen to the lyrics? Would they still have this experience? Do you have to give a certain amount of attention to the lyrics for this to happen, or would it happen anyway, even if you're not aware of listening to the lyrics? If you have an emotional reaction while listening to the lyrics, does it make it more likely that you will later recall them in this way?
What about people who are tone-deaf or have no sense of pitch? Would they still experience this phenomenon?
Is the association of melody with language deeply ingrained in the linguistic apparatus of the mind? Could this be why inflection can be such a crucial communicator of meaning, and why the same words can mean wholly different things depending on how they are spoken?
I'm no expert on Freud's theory of dreams and the unconscious, but I just thought the parallels were worth noting. Clearly the pre-cognitive process involved in creating a dream scenario (what Freud called the "dream work") is considerably more involved than the relatively simple process of recalling a tune.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago)
― LeRooLeRoo (Seb), Tuesday, 15 November 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago)
― joygoat (joygoat), Wednesday, 16 November 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago)