when did rap music cross over to rednecks?

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was it eminem? i can't really remember this time period very well. i think i was in middle school. when did poor white people go gangsta? cause i know 50 cent has gotta be selling more records to trailer parks then anywhere else... i know by high school all the redneck thugs had bought flat-brimmed hats turned em sideways and were cranking shit like xzibit, while whereing ridiculous puffy vests and driving rice rockets with spinners... what happened? was it fast and the furious + eminem? am i totally offbase here? did rapalways sell to underpriveleged crackers?

― jack dee, Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:27 (twenty years ago)

What do you like, jack dee?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

He likes Sublime.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

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― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

hahahahaha Alex

― JD from CDepot, Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

i like sex.

― jack dee, Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

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― blunt (blunt), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

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― do knut (donut), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

reading mr. dee is like getting lewis black's sloppy seconds

― oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:47 (twenty years ago)

I believe the term you are seeking is "Rapnecks"

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Bawitdaba?

― Gukbe (lokar), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Bob Loblaw?

― Gukbe (lokar), Thursday, 17 November 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

when did rap music cross over to rednecks?

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― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:00 (twenty years ago)

Anyone who answered this thread w jpgs is laaaaaaaaame.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

like get one sense of humor, YO.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

To give a real answer AND answer with jpegs...

It was the combo of
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and

http://www.vh1.com/shows/series/tv_moments/hip_hop/img/beastieboys_fightforyourrt.jpg

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 17 November 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

this is kind of subtly racist question, is it not? am i just throwing that card down unwarranted? i really don't want to be too PC-for-the-sake-of-it. maybe it's this phrase: "cause i know 50 cent has gotta be selling more records to trailer parks then anywhere else"

― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 17 November 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

Phrasing aside, there needn't be anything racially weird about graphing out rap's popularity among different groups of people!

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

oh, those crackers and their rice rockets

― Sym Sym (sym), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

KID ROCK

(lol)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

plenty of classism going on though.

(why SHOULDN'T 'rednecks' like rap?)

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 03:42 (twenty years ago)

Did it ever occur to you that most rapper stereotypes are actually descendents of stereotypes from white rednecks? About 90% of black Americans came from the South. Most of black culture comes from Southern white culture, which in turn came from N. English culture. One could argue that the lively music that comes from the South has its origins in Scottish and Irish tradition that'd been passed on. This of course makes the Scottish kilt the father of the baggy pants.

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"dunt cull mey niggur, wietay! dunt cull mey wietay, yee niggur!"

― Cunga (Cunga), Thursday, 17 November 2005 04:15 (twenty years ago)

people people it was puffy. so clearly puffy.

― noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

This is like an anti-funny thread.

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 05:57 (twenty years ago)

the answer, btw, is "the minute rednecks heard it"

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 17 November 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

tuesday

― retroboy, Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

rap music is very popular
popular music has to sell to the majority (otherwise it is not popular)
the majority of most nations people are working class
working class are characterized by many liberals as rednecks/white trash

― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

haha only liberals call people 'rednecks' or 'white trash'?

― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

popular music has to sell to the majority (otherwise it is not popular)

this isn't true

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

do the majority of americans like rap music?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

i never said only liberals
perhaps theorry is right about the majority thing. nevertheless, i think it is difficult for music to achieve great popularity without appeal to the working class

― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:29 (twenty years ago)

coldplay?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

you think so?

― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

i don't know. i don't think 'working class' really functions today, does it, as a sociological characterisation? in that way.

but yeah i'd venture that not many of the radiohead or travis or coldplay audience would call itself working class.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

I blame Aerosmith

― Siegbran (eofor), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

whether people call themselves working class is another matter.

as is whether people call themselves rednecks...

― terry lennox. (gareth), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

but yeah i'd venture that not many of the radiohead or travis or coldplay audience would call itself working class.

All of whom outsell 50 Cent on a daily basis.

And yes, the original thread question is racist, and not in a subtle way or an implied way, just straight out. I mean if he said "nigger" in stead of "redneck" would there even be a question of it?

― _dj, Thursday, 17 November 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

All of whom outsell 50 Cent on a daily basis.

Yeah, that sure explains Travis.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

1990

This I am sure.

― PappaWheelie B.C., Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

rednecks/rural people/poor whites in appalachia, whatever you want to call them, have been bored and poor for a long time. the answer is that they got into the music as soon as they found a way to resolve the disconnect between race and subject matter.

― firstworldman (firstworldman), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Anyone who answered this thread w jpgs is laaaaaaaaame.

like get one sense of humor, YO.

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― do knut (donut), Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

"Most of black culture comes from Southern white culture..."

This is pretty funny.

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 17 November 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

i grew up in a small town, farm country...i guess i might have been an "underpriviledged cracker", for sure the "cracker part"...i don't really have a good sense of how much money my dad made.... but we had MTV, so for me it was pretty much the advent of Yo MTV Raps.

but basically Matos is right - "as soon as we heard it"....and fuck you, jack dee.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 17 November 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

yeah fuck all the implicit condescension in this thread -----

and the answer is early, real early --- had a cousin for instance who fit most of the stereotypes folks probably have in mind here i.e. scruffy white dude, trailer park, car on blocks in the front yard, penthouse calendars hangin on simulated wood grain walls ----

him and his friends would drink jack daniels and blast 2 live crew and too short nonstop and this is say 1988 ----

and btw I don't remember there being any kind of tension concerning the "disconnect between race and subject matter" --- that's one of the coolest things about music to me, not that it *solves* social problems but it seems to operate on some kind of level that encourages people to suspend their prejudices ----

(and also btw the northern/urban axes of america have absolutely no moral high ground when it comes to race relations. but that's a somewhat different rant ------)

― reacher, Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

dude i appreciate all the responses. i didn't mean it in a harsh way... i think you hear me incorrectly. its not so much the music... i get you all, and i was curious what ou'd say to such a nasty thread. but gangster culture.... i mean that spread too... fuck. i guess i fucked the whole thing up.

― jack dee, Thursday, 17 November 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

working class means one thing in america, quite another elsewhere, and no more so than in the south, unpoliticized as it mostly is...

white lower-middle class southerners have been diggin' on rap forever, prolly not de la soul-ish kinda things, but all that whoop thereitis and memphis/houston/new orleans stuff, i'd say...

― edd s hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

And yes, the original thread question is racist, and not in a subtle way or an implied way, just straight out. I mean if he said "nigger" in stead of "redneck" would there even be a question of it?

Vital point.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Thursday, 17 November 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

Now we got Big & Rich. Sweet.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Friday, 18 November 2005 01:33 (twenty years ago)

The correct answer is: "Rapper's Delight"

― Pete Scholtes, Friday, 18 November 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Did somebody say "rednecks" and "niggers" in the same sentence? Whenever somebody says them there two words ANYWHERE, ANYTIME on them internets, my big 'ol computer logs that shit, brother -- and I cum a runnin'. I'm the first redneck rapper. This ain't hip-hop -- this is HICK-hop, bitch. I flow about suckin' dick & kickin' ass. I also rap about eatin' niggerz. http://www.myspace.com/kentuckyjohnson

― [>, Thursday, 12 January 2006 04:25 (twenty years ago)

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