When they were doing their R&B and R&B-influenced stuff, THE MOTHERS OF INVENTION were one of the best white R&B bands of the sixties

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discus it!

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 21 November 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Why dontcha do me right, you got me packed up tight, why dontcha do me right??

Or something like that.

― George the Animal Steele, Monday, 21 November 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Jimmy Carl Black was a bona fide Native American ("He's the Indian of the group!") so you know they had a great drummer - even if they weren't exactly 100% "white".

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 21 November 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

I hit you
Then I beat you
Then I told you
That I love you
In my car
In a jar

― Keith C (lync0), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

"Status Back Baby"!

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

"How Could I Be Such a Fool" shoulda been a hit.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

how, how, HOW did I know this was a Tim Ellison thread?

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Who knows- they are extremely tough to identify.

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:02 (twenty years ago)

Didn't the Dirtbombs cover a Zappa jam, "Jessie/Jesse Lee"? If it is a Zappa jam then what album is it on? It's a GREAT R&B jam.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

TS: the first three Mothers Of Invention albums vs. everything else Frank Zappa ever did?

Tough call I reckon.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

you cant beat the og mothers lineup.

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

One of my happiest slsk finds was Cruising With Ruben and the Jets with the original bass and drum tracks instead of the Thunes/Wackerman horror. (Was the original version ever released on CD?) FZ R&B: classic for leading me to Johnny "Guitar" Watson.

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

Stewart, I'd take the first 3 Mothers records over Zappa's career in about half a second, Roxy And Elsewhere notwithstanding.

"Status Back Baby" seconded, and let's give some love to the first disc of Freak Out as well.

― sleeve (sleeve), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Sides one and two of Freak Out are the real evidence for me: "I Ain't Got No Heart," "Go Cry on Somebody Else's Shoulder," "How Could I Be Such a Fool," "You Didn't Try to Call Me." If it wasn't for this stuff, it would be easy to interpret the later stuff - even stuff as good as the covers on Burnt Weeny Sandwich - as novelty dabbling.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

From "Trouble Every Day": Hey you know something people, I'm not black, but there's a whole lotsa times I wish I could say I'm not white

But really, if you can listen to his subsequent output, even in the Flo & Eddie period, and dismiss all of it as "novelty dabbling", then either I am imagining an awful lot of complexity or you are just missing it.

― Chris Wright (DrFunktronic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:01 (twenty years ago)

You're probably wondering why I'm here...I still like "We're Only In It For The Money" better than 90% of the records released after 1968.

― SoHoLa (SoHoLa), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Chris, I was just talking about whether someone might hear the Mothers doing R&B on later records and dismiss it as novelty dabbling.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

Zappa's fave record was "The Closer You Are" by the Channels.

Oh, and the Persuasions' Zappa tribute album is great.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

The Young Rascals FTW

― Cunga (Cunga), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

I still like "We're Only In It For The Money" better than 90% of the records released after 1968.

yes, sir.
I often consider 'Lonely Little Girl' to be my favorite song ever.

― Baaderonixx ménage ses forces dans l'attente du Grand Soir (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 08:57 (twenty years ago)

"Safe As Milk" era Magic Band are still miles better. I've said it before but "Anyway the Wind Blows" is probably my favourite thing Zappa did in his entire career!

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 10:41 (twenty years ago)

I think a lot of the songs on Freak Out hold their own against Safe as Milk. Safe as Milk is probably slightly more great, though.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Someone must know this: which of the Mothers albums on CD have the newly recorded bits that he did in the eighties or whenever? I want to get someone a copy of Freak Out as a gift, but I don't want to get the CD if it's one of the ones that was changed.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I believe it's Uncle Meat - but don't quote me on that.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

We're only in it for the money had new bass and drum tracks, but ryko switched em back.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

CHARVA

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 5 December 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

I want to get someone a copy of Freak Out as a gift,

Freak Out was always safe. I bought one of the initial vinyl pressings of the "Old Masters" box series and "Money" and "Ruben & the Jets" were defaced by Frank in this manner (there's lick from "My Sharona" inserted into "Money" that's really odd-sounding.) Now it's a curiosity that inspired a great deal of outrage in fans. My CD copy of "Money" is fine. It was put back the proper way after he died, I think, but I'd have to check the recent biography I have of him. It's also on the net if you Google around a bit.

― George the Animal Steele, Monday, 5 December 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

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