The Official John Peel Box Listeners thread. Classic/Dud, if you may.

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One for impressions, reviews, and general stuff.

I wrote a couple discs, albeit imcomplete, just to make a start.

Wow, Boards Of Canada? Who knew! (I know, everyone but me)

Cat Power sounds exactly like Beth Orton doing PJ Harvey stuff.

Not feeling the Charlie Feathers love at all.

My rule (for me, anyway) is not to skip anything.


mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

yes, everybody but you 8)

it's funny but i've done the winamp shuffle thing about 10 times now, for about an hour each time, and i've still to hear the sheena easton.

and i enjoy the little snippets of peel on the end of odd tracks, adds a bit of colour.

it does suffer from being completely lacking in those genres that are post-7" though. i've bought exactly one 7" single this year, for instance.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:26 (twenty years ago)

What John Peel box?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

yesterday i listened to everything up till 1962 or something. there was not one song which did anything for me. and then i listened to link wray's rumble from 1958 and thought: there was exciting music in the 50s but apparently peel didn't keep it (or hear it?). very weird all those pedestrian songs. ultra conservative taste. around punk it gets better...

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

> What John Peel box?

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,14932-1836864,00.html

alex, peel lost a lot of records when he moved back from the states, maybe that explains it.

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

The only out-and-out dud which I've heard so far is that Squirrels "Oz On 45" effort. You can have too many novelty songs.

I can't wait to find out what people think of the Sheena Easton B-side. She co-wrote it herself, you know...

Happy rediscoveries, sounding better than I remembered:
No More Ghettos In America - Stanley Winston
New Religion - Some Chicken
There Must Be Thousands - The Quads
It's Better To Have - Don Covay
...and, well, it has to be said: Down Down - Status Quo

New discoveries:
Popatop - Andy Capp, Surfin' Hootenanny - Al Casey, and the 1960s psych-pop stuff: The Misunderstood, Idle Race, The Move, Yardbirds, The Nice. Love all that.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

How does one listen to this? Off one's own bat?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

No, you need a disc and player.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Wow, I love the Feathers stuff. I'm surprised there was so much of it, but glad there is too. Charlie Feathers is classic.

I said it on the other thread, but my fav discovery so far is Mel and Tim 'Starting All Over Again.' Love, love, love it!

And that Clague song 'The Stride' is pretty amazing too. Love John's intro and outro about beating up those who don't like it.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

hint to pj: there is another thread with the words "john peel" in the title...

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

The only out-and-out dud which I've heard so far is that Squirrels "Oz On 45" effort. You can have too many novelty songs.

Hey! (I run their mailing list and have seen them a number of times.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

The Easton B side -- my first impression was that JP definitely didn't have this in the box for that song. And there isn't a second impression (yet).

The Cat Power songs struck me as dull. I'm not her biggest fan anyway, but these seem weak compared to other things by her.

I've really liked some of these White Stripes songs (more than I've liked other things by them), esp China Pig and Astray Heart - they sound nice and fucked up.

And the Izzy Royal is beautiful.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

(And FWIW, Rob of the Squirrels talks about being in the box and the single itself.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

> Hey! (I run their mailing list and have seen them a number of times.)

so why are we still missing the b-side if you've a personal connection?! come on ned, get with the program 8)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Oh NOW you tell me. ;-)

I do indeed have said B-side, it surfaced on a couple of comps over time. Now if this is a case wherein by my providing the B-side I get a folder with the rest of the songs then all is well. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Sorry, Ned. But then, I was never much bothered about The Wizard Of Oz. (Nearly got chucked out of The Gays for that transgression.)

Also, once you've heard Klaus Nomi's take on "Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead", is there need for any other?

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

it's running to about 800M at the moment and torrents are available (i gather). i think a new one is being seeded shortly. failing that, cds can be burnt...

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Hang on, the Squirrels B-side is a cover of "Alone Again, Naturally"? Such taste! There is hope!

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Alex, for further examples of John Peel's "ultra-conservative" taste, see here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/alt/johnpeel/peelenium.shtml

Check 1958 for Link Wray.

cristian ceia, Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

The ones that leap out at me:

"40. Golinski Brothers - Bloody + Toy (BADGE RECORDS) 1980 2x copies"
Badge Records? They were on Attrix weren't they? "Bloody" was on Vaultage '79 IIRC

"79. Quads - You've gotta jive + There must be thousands (BIG BEAR RECORDS) 1979"
Nice enough song but nothing special.

"96. Status Quo - Down down (VERTIGO) 1974"
Wtf was rare / special about this?

"119. The Users - Sick on you + I'm in love with today (RAW RECORDS) 1977 2x copies"
Again, nothing special as far as I remember.

"123. The White Stripes - Party of special things to do + China pig + Ashtray heart (SUB POP)"
But no Beefheart....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

The Mel & Tim is lovely for sure! The transition from soul to punk has kept me quick to the volume knob at work.

Hotel Yorba is the least annoying White Stripes song of the lot, it actually seems to suit his whine. who knew?

I figure the singles that don't seem obvious to us may have been a gift, or held special significance for him. I don't think it's always about the music.

patita (patita), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

i lied, cristian. look out mabel is a phantastic rockn' roll blues boogie whatever. with drive and stuff. but all those ballads around. godawful. towards the mid-sixties it even gets worse...

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

you mean the soul numbers? i love those!

la peste's "better off dead" is way better than "black," i reckon.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

no the soul numbers are later, i guess. it's neither rock nor soul. kitschy pop ballads for housewifes or something. just terribly dated. they mut have been already embarrassing in 1962/63/64/65, i guess. maybe i am not in the mood for them right now. i recognise that there are some not too bad songs in between. can't name any though, at the moment.

alex in mainhattan (alex63), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

There weren't many beefheart seven inch singles.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 November 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

"119. The Users - Sick of you + I'm in love with today (RAW RECORDS) 1977 2x copies"
Again, nothing special as far as I remember.

*hyperventilates*

Oh, Stewart! One of the greatest punk singles ever! How could you!

As The Users were the first live band I ever saw (*), this one would definitely be in my "special" box as well.

(*) Not strictly true. The first live band I ever saw was Cherry Vanilla backed by The Police, sound-checking with "Shake Some Ashes" before The Users came on.

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Thursday, 24 November 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

Stewart, "Bloody" was indeed on Vaultage '79 so (when I borrowed my brother's copy of the 7" to make a CD for Koogy to share) I too was surprised to see it on Toy Records.

So I started guessing that Vaultage '79 was a collection of not just Attrix but also their Brighton mates' releases. Could that be true? Attrix surely wasn't big enough to pick up releases on tiny labels like Toy for wider release, which is the only other explanation I can come up with.

Tim (Tim), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Attrix presumably a little bigger than Toy, probably just asked nicely.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 24 November 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

"There weren't many beefheart seven inch singles."

You might be surprised

"Oh, Stewart! One of the greatest punk singles ever! How could you!"

Their second one ("Kicks In Style") was better iirc.

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 24 November 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

"Stewart, "Bloody" was indeed on Vaultage '79 so (when I borrowed my brother's copy of the 7" to make a CD for Koogy to share) I too was surprised to see it on Toy Records.

So I started guessing that Vaultage '79 was a collection of not just Attrix but also their Brighton mates' releases. Could that be true? Attrix surely wasn't big enough to pick up releases on tiny labels like Toy for wider release, which is the only other explanation I can come up with."

Was it on Toy Records as well as Badge Records? If so, is there a copyright date on it? The most perplexing thing about this as far as I'm concerned is that if anything this appears to have been compiled (Vaultage '79) before it was released (Badge Records ©1980).

Not that this is going to keep me awake at night you understand....

Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 24 November 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Toy is a mistake i think, given that that's the name of the b-side.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 25 November 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't "Arthur Comix"'s "Isgodaman" compiled instead of being released? As in "Oh its on an album now, let's not bother"

Not too surprised about the 7" list, I have two of them (without looking) Will look now.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 25 November 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

Sorry yes Badge records not Toy records, my dumb mistake. The rest of the point stands. And the record has, I'm afraid, returned to that dusty corner of the space above my brother's cupboard, from which it was borrowed. And I'm not going up there again in a hurry. Sorry.

Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 November 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

I find the Jack White fixation a little bizarre. Still, each to their own

Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountain Dog (Jessie the Drunk Dutch Mountai), Friday, 25 November 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

Just got through the Izzy Royal "Coronation Street" one, surprisingly good.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

"40. Golinski Brothers - Bloody + Toy (BADGE RECORDS) 1980 2x copies"
Badge Records? They were on Attrix weren't they? "Bloody" was on Vaultage '79 IIRC

ACH! I wouldn't have known that I remembered this one until I heared it! "Still you godda have a larf! ha ha ha ha ..."

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

> I find the Jack White fixation a little bizarre. Still, each to their own

see, i laughed upthread at mark only just now discovering boards of canada and now i find myself looking up the white stripes back catalog on amazon...

there's another song that rhymes 'giro' and 'cairo' (like Bloody does) but i can't remember what it is. probably something very unhip.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

Well, that's what it's all about.

To be honest, this whole set's acted like a 'virtual John Peel experience'. Discovering stuff I'd like, having another go at listening to stuff I didn't like before, and a whole bunch of stuff I'd liked at the time but forgotten (or never knew) who it was.

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for that Peelenium link.

1980

Track 1
Twenty Four Hours
Artist: Joy Division
Composer: Joy Division

Track 2
Totally Wired
Artist; The Fall
Composer: Riley/Scanlan/Hanley/Smith

Track 3
9 To 5
Artist: Sheena Easton
Composer: F Palmer

Track 4
Bloody
Artist: Golinski Brothers
Composer: Gibbs/Golinski/Harries

trappist monkey, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

It's Better To Have - Don Covay

Ooohh, that's a wonderful thing

Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

xpost: there's another song that rhymes 'giro' and 'cairo' (like Bloody does) but i can't remember what it is. probably something very unhip.

It was "Cairo" by Joy somebody, a reggae single from around 1978 which got played on Radio 2 quite a lot for some reason. It was then covered by Amazulu, who released it as their debut single.

Chorus: "Can't get no Giro, working in a bar in Cairo..."

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

did a quick google and found a lot of people asking the same question but nobody answering. thanks mike.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

It's Joyella Blade's 'Cairo'. On Frontline (Virgin) FLS108.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~tapirs/front7.htm

Dr.C, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

The Eddie & Ernie stuff is amazing. Haven't actually heard anything in the set that disagrees with me.

TRG (TRG), Thursday, 1 December 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

That sheenah easton b-side is surprising. Sort of "Marissa meets Vini"

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 December 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I won't profess to be as hip as some of the people on the list; I don't even have Beeheart LPs, let alone 7", but Peel's Box has really killed me over and over. It even Got Me To Like Reggae (though it's more palatable to me if I call it Dub).

Especially:
Lonely Saturday Night. Wow. That howl is so chilling. Not knowing Peel (being from the US) but hearing his favorites I think he latched on to those moments when the artists jump out of the wax and grab you by the throat, either to make you laugh, cry, or choke. "Ghettos" is like that, too.

The rockabilly stuff including Sugar Bee and Feathers' singles. Makes me wish the British Invasion was more like the British Coming for Tea because this music shouldn't have died the way it did, left only to... who? Chris Isaak?

Golinski Brothers, Bloody. Incredibly affecting.
The soul tracks from Mel & Tim / Eddie & Ernie / J.A. and J.T.: makes me wish that there was a closer blues/soul radio station to LA than the amazing one in Chicago, so I wouldn't have had to wait until 25 to be introduced to it.

That goes for much of this music, actually. The only time I wished I could've grown up in the UK. Like I said, I'm not as cool as most of you, but I'm glad I was able to be at a spot in my life when so much of this material grabbed me.

Jon McNeill, Friday, 6 January 2006 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Jon, yes, a lot on the list was new to me too. I'd never heard the Golinski or the Mel and Tim songs before but both have become constant plays since then. Know 'em by heart now! Check out 'The Stride' by Siren and the Meow tracks if you haven't already.

TRG (TRG), Saturday, 7 January 2006 05:07 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I've checked them out. The Meow is still a little messy for my tastes, but I've completely latched onto the Mike Spenser & the Canibals stuff. Notice I spelled Canibals with one "N", the little that I've wound on the web about them is spelled that way. That garage stuff is like: wowza.

Jon McNeill (Jon McNeill), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:37 (twenty years ago)

nine months pass...
Some Peel programmes (I think) for d/l here, plus what appears to be a compilation of him talking:

http://cafe-puschkin.blogspot.com/

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 13 October 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/events/peel/box_vote.shtml

Some of the cuts from the box to air on Radio 6 on Thursday 26th October. There's even voting for which you'd like to hear, a nice touch.

patita (patita), Friday, 13 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've had a promise.

I'm saying no more for now, in case it doesn't happen...

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

> There's even voting for which you'd like to hear, a nice touch.

one day they'll realise that there's a good show in there and play the whole thing. something like The Freak Zone on sunday afternoons plays this kind of stuff anyway.

reading the OMM this sunday and found out that Al Casey died recently. had been playing guitar for Lee Hazlewood all these years...

dandelion box set out soon as well.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

Surely someone needs to request the few tracks from this thread that nobody can track down! (I've tried finding the big list thread of the tracks in the box but search isn't turning it up.)

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

I've had a promise.

I'm saying no more for now, in case it doesn't happen...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 11:44 (nineteen years ago)

tracer, it's not a completely free choice, there's a shortlist of 20, only 1 of which we are missing. (we're down to the last 9)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

Which one is missing?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Sipho Benghu, Tickey Dopies.

(i listed the others in the supplied comments box, so maybe they'll be nice)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, that's the one I voted for! On the grounds that, according to Margrave of the Marshes, it was the first contemporary African music that JP played on air - and hence possibly the first ever played on BBC radio. I thought that was a reasonably compelling argument in favour of getting to hear one of the missing items in the record box... cunning, huh...

mike t-diva (mike t-diva), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I voted too. My reason: "I haven't heard it before!"

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

except, of course, there are going to leave the most popular to last in the hope that we will spend all day listening to Nemone and Lamacq etc.

anyway, so far:

The Freshmen - You've Never Heard Anything Like It
Laurie Anderson - O Superman
Upsetter - Bucky Skank

Pocket Fishrman - The Leader Is Burning (10:18)
The Move - I Can Hear The Grass Grow (11:23)
Sam & Dave - I Can't Stand Up For Falling Down (12:46)

Sheena Easton - 9-5 (13:42)
Eddie & Ernie - Time Waits For No One (15:05)
Medicine Head - Your Guiding Hand (15:46)

Lamacq tracklisting is a bit weird, i'm not sure i understand it. does he play the same half dozen tracks every day with extras now and again? madness.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

I like the fact the tracks they choose to play get longer and longer.

(That is what passes for a joke at this time of the afternoon.)

Perhaps I will listen on my portable device later, staring at the screenlet to see what's what...

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Golinksi Brothers - Bloody (16:??)

Sheila's pick next...

oh, lamacq's just chosen one himself...
White Stripes - Lord Send Me An Angel (17:24)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Geater Davis - For Your Precious Love (17:50) (Sheila's Choice)

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Quads - There Must Be Thousands (Lamacq)
Elmore James - The Sky Is Crying (18:53) (random listener)

off home now

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

and that appears to be that - looked through later listings online and there didn't seem to be any more. no sipho bhengu. will check this.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Friday, 27 October 2006 07:26 (nineteen years ago)


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