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NEW YORK - Black Sabbath, Miles Davis and the Sex Pistols are among five musical legends to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation will hold its induction ceremony March 13 at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in Manhattan, the organization announced Monday.

Also to be inducted into the class of 2006: 1980s New Wave band Blondie and Southern rockers Lynyrd Skynyrd.

Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss, who founded A&M records in 1962, will receive a lifetime achievement award in the non-performer category.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

None of it makes up for thinking Billy Joel deserved entry in his first year of eligibility. Or any year.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I also do love the willful ignorance in the story. Yes, Blondie was a 1980s New Wave band, of course.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

None of it makes up for thinking Billy Joel deserved entry in his first year of eligibility.

billy should've been nominated in 2005, the 25th anniversary of glass houses!

*ducks*

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

"lifetime achievement award in the non-performer category" sounds like a sexual insult.

― 'Twan (miccio), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I hope they get Bruce Dickinson to induct Sabbath.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 28 November 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I guess Jann is running out of friends to induct. (Except for Peter Wolf.)

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Argh, don't say it.

I always did wonder how they were going to handle the eighties, and now we know...they'll go back to all the seventies bands that were 'mysteriously overlooked.'

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Should I be surprised that Miles wasn't already in? Is Trane, or I dunno, Louis Armstrong in the HoF?

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

not the rock 'n' roll hall of fame, no.

― Josh Love (screamapillar), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Louis Armstrong was inducted in 1990 as an "early influence". Otherwise, there isn't much in terms of jazz, except for the occasional producer (Nesuhi Ertegun) and vocalist (Billie Holliday, who wasn't inducted until 2000, WTF?).

xpost

― MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 28 November 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

so, when are kraftwerk, joy division, and depeche mode gonna get into this joint?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Hahahah, you so funny.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

When are Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin going to get in???

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Will the Beastie Boys get in the first year they're eligible?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

so, when are kraftwerk, joy division, and depeche mode gonna get into this joint?!?

Neither K-werk or JD have even been nominated yet, though they're eligible. DM will be eligible next year.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

I think the real question is who wants the honor the least? I can't see Ozzy or Lydon being very grateful recipients.

Someone add Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five to that list.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

"bombs away on the rock'n'roll hall of fame"

-thomas jefferson slave apartments

― chris besinger (chris besinger), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

These were the list of nominees this year, as stolen from the Trouser Press bulletin boards:

Black Sabbath (eighth bid)
Lynyrd Skynyrd (seventh bid)
the Sex Pistols and the Stooges (both five bids)
Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
J. Geils Band
John Mellencamp
the Patti Smith Group
Chic
Joe Tex
Miles Davis
Cat Stevens
Blondie
the Paul Butterfield Band
the Dave Clark Five
the Sir Douglas Quintet

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

"we built this city on ROCK AND ROLLL-OLLL"

-starship

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

xpost, I'm surprised John Mellancamp didn't make it.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

I'm surprised John Mellancamp didn't make it

he might have to wait till bob guccione jr. wrests control of the hall away from jann wenner.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

"bombs away on the rock'n'roll hall of fame"
-thomas jefferson slave apartments

Ha! I remember this song! When are GbV going to get an honorary award for trying so hard? They're eligible, sort of.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

What does everyone think the odds are that the Pixies will get in?

― Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

"Time-Life's Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame"

― peepee (peepee), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

I just wish Miles Davis was alive to go to the ceremony to go on "all you no playing Steve Miller motherfuckers owe me ten million dollars".

― earlnash, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Is is stupid to ask why rap, jazz or synth pop artists should be in a Rock & Roll Hall of Fame? It reminds me of reading article in the early nineties that mentioned techno as a "a new form of rock".

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

When will Human League get in?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

that place needs to be torched.

― gear (gear), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Just be careful you don't accidentally set the Cuyahoga River alight!

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Don't worry, MVB. They have a giant Michael Stipe robot that can sing and act as a bellows to put the fire out.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm kinda please as punch in my own snobby way that Miles' induction will make millions of people 'cross this great land to go wuuuuhhhhh???

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

there isn't much in terms of jazz

Miles Davis seems to make more sense for a rock hall of fame than Coltrane since he was a pioneer in the fusion of jazz and rock. Jack Johnson is practically an instrumental rock album.

― Sundar (sundar), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

BLOW IT UP BEFORE JOHNNY ROTTEN MAKES A SPEECH!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 28 November 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

you do have to give them credit for having the good taste to make sure the ramones got into the hall before the pistols did.

― fact checking cuz (fcc), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

trudat

'most ilm-friendly class' had me hoping somehow abba and donna summer had slipped in

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I think to make things interesting they should have Little Richard present the thing to the Pistols.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

it'll be bono

― j blount (papa la bas), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)

i figure by the time i'm in a geriatric home, they'll get around to inducting crass.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

are hall and oates in this bitch yet?!?

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

i'm SERIOUS about their deserving to be in -- lord knows that MUCH lesser talents (ahem, billy joel) are there -- not to mention that H&O would DEFINITELY be one of the most ILM-friendly entries ever.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

hip hop, synth pop, techno, funk are all forms of popular music made possible by the formal innovations that produced R&B, rock n roll and, later, rock.

many x-posts

― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

any sentence that can say that rock and roll and rock are two different things and have that be the least stupid part of said sentence is one hell of an incredibly stupid sentence.

― People like you ruin music, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

technicians invented synthesizers and drum machines, not rock and roll. or rock, for that matter.

― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

You don't think there was a difference between rock'n'roll in the 50s and 60s/70s rock?

― Sundar (sundar), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

unlike rock, rock'n'roll was actually fun.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

You don't think there was a difference between rock'n'roll in the 50s and 60s/70s rock?

self-seriousness

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

"I am the originator, the architect of punk rock. I made the punk sing 'whooooo!'"

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

yeah dude rock and rock'n'roll are pretty clearly not the same thing, which is not to say that they don't have a whole hell of a lot to do with each other

― ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

#*@$! search function, couldn't find it -- redundant thread will be killed ---

Wasn't Ozzy saying he didn't want to be in the HOF? Either way, his acceptance speech should be entertaining. The Sex Pistols too. Will the Pistols, Sabbath, Blondie and Lynyrd Skynyrd all get onstage together and jam out on "Sweet Leaf" together? "Free Bird"? "Anarchy In The U.K."? "Heart of Glass"? Maybe a jazz odyssey of "Miles Runs the Voodoo Down"? I can't wait for the VH1 special!

Jokes aside, it's the first year in a long time that I liked all the bands inducted. Some years they've inducted six to eight artists? Do they feel like they're running out of good artists? They may have jumped the gun a bit in scraping the barrel for Billy Joel...

I just finished a piece on heavy metal last night, and Black Sabbath's induction tied nicely into my point of metal finally being accepted and even canonized.

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 07:00 (twenty years ago)

Was People Like You's post directed at me? If so it was pretty ignorant. (If not I can't tell what it refers to)

Yes, Matos, technological innovation also drives formal innovation. I didn't intend to be essentialist. I was just intending to sum up the very general rationale for why Sabbath, Miles Davis, the Sex Pistols, George Clinton, Public Enemy and Moby will all one day be members of the R&R HoF. It's Rolling Stone Recod Guide causology 101.

― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

hip hop, synth pop, techno, funk are all forms of popular music made possible by the formal innovations that produced R&B, rock n roll and, later, rock.

So? If you really try you can trace it all back to blues, but that doesn't change the fact that Kraftwerk, Grandmaster Flash, John Coltrane, Billie Holiday, or Louis Armstrong have little or nothing to do with rock (especially the last two, who made their impact ages before rock'n'roll was even born).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Miles Davis I can accept, since he at least made records that can be considered (jazz-)rock.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:27 (twenty years ago)

I would agree with you regarding the last three, but I've always thought of Kraftwerk and Flash as being grouped under the general "rock" family. They're also other things as well, but I thought Run DMC, "World Destruction" and "Bring The Noise" would have settled any doubts about their common ground.

I mean, both are difficult to imagine without James Brown, and he was there from the 1950s as an R&B singer and came up with "Papa's Got a Brand New Bag" from stripped down soul music.

Of course you can trace it all back to Blues, but the R&R HoF people decided to start the whole thing half way on. Oddly they didn't ask me my opinion. So we get the story from 1950 or so, plus some "early influences".

― thousands of tiny luminous spheres (plebian), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Killdozer's eligible in 2010.

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Jack Johnson, Trans-Europe Express and "White Lines" = more rock and roll in spirit than 99% of the music that would be narrowly categorized as rock and roll currently.

― Patrick (Patrick), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

who da fuck put hick retards lynyrd skynyrd in

NEIL YOUNG WAS RIGHT!!!

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Deserving bodies who may never be nominated, if we're already debating the merits of Hall and Oates and Killdozer as potential inductees:

Link Wray
Brian Eno
The Stooges

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

dude the stooges have been nominated five times - check upthread

― ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

dude you're right - fuck am I blushing.

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

by the way, have you perchance seen my car?

― ZR (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Dude -- Moby will never be in the Hall of Fame!

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

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