If I Were A Rich Man...I Would Put Out Deluxe Vinyl Reissues Of All Those Psych Records On The Mainstream Label So That They Weren't All 100 Dollars Anymore For A Stinky Used Copy

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Ellie Pop

Growing Concern

Nucleus

Orient Express

Lacewing

Josefus

December's Children

Freeport

Henry Tree

Jelly Bean Bandits

Lincoln St. Exit

A Pot Of Flowers

Bohemian Vendetta

Tangerine Zoo

John Berberian

Cathy Young

Art Of Lovin'

Tiffany Shade

Stone Circus

Superfine Dandelion

Amboy Dukes

Katmandu

ALL of it! Heavy vinyl! Remastered from the original tapes! Original artwork! Who owns that stuff, anyway? They oughta be deported.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

I would put out Doug E. Fresh's "Oh My God!"... How fucking long has that thing been out of print?!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

If I were a rich man I'd put out all of those $20 180 gram vinyl psych reissues out on normal $8 LPs so more people could actually hear them without having to pay extra for pointlessly thick discs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

someone has to be a jerk and point this out:

many of these are available on cd!!! contemporize, man!

there was a really tasty reissue of john berberian's middle east rock a few years back. heavyish vinyl, all that. and i don't think i'd trade my $8 scorpio repress of the orient express for a $17 deluxe repress, but that's just me.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)

"Oh my God"? you mean "The Show"?? hasn't that been reissued a bunch of times?

man, I always knew the Mainstream label was a large gap in my psych knowledge, but looking at that list really hammers it home. that shit is so hard to find! somebody *does* need to get on that shit. mebbe Akarma will do it like they do everything else. are all those records really all that skot?

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:38 (twenty years ago)

I own the rights to all that stuff. Everything but Art of Lovin'. But I dunno, it's just too much WORK, even for Laotian kids. They can hardly even keep up with the shirts.

Besides you have too much music already.


Dr. Gene Scott (shinybeast), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"The Show" was the centerpiece of full length album called Oh My God, which had rad songs like "Play This Only At Night" that no one ever gets to hear because everyone always plays "The Show" or "La Di Da Di" and the fuggin thing is hella out of print.

We are way off topic and it is my fault.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

Also, Stormy, your double question marks seem to imply that you think I'm a retard.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

well, your email address *is* CMJ.com.....

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:14 (twenty years ago)

just kidding!

didn't think you were a retard -- I honestly didn't recall that the album was called Oh My God (and it was your use of quote marks which threw me off) I never owned it. I do still have the Reality 12" that I bought when I was 12 years old and had to special order from Musicland because they suck, though.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)

the show is not on oh my god!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

there is a great anti-abortion song on oh my god.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

wait, maybe there was a remix of the show on oh my god. i just sold a copy on ebay.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

this thread is unafraid of the depths

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:24 (twenty years ago)

What are Amboy Dukes albums like? Any stuff as good as "Journey to the Center of the Mind" (which is almost like the fricking Yardibirds)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

I hear that Argentina's vinyl pressing plants will do runs for dirt cheap still, and that copyright laws aren't all that strong. You just need decent masters and you could have your own label there...

js (honestengine), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:34 (twenty years ago)

The Amboy Dukes albums are spotty but pretty cool all things considered. I can do without the white soul tracks but there is always a pretty hot track around the bend to save the day. Oh what the hell am I talking about, I love them. I almost bought the Ted Nugent box set just to get the unreleased Amboy Dukes track that's on there. dude Tim have you heard "You Talk Sunshine, I Breathe Fire"?? (note double question marks expressing enthusiasm) If not, I can "ysi" as the kids say.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

No, I have not heard that. (Thanks a ton for sending that Yardibrds album, by the way.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:47 (twenty years ago)

Forced Exposure has a boxed CD set of Josefus stuff, including a whole disc of unreleased tracks.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

What are Amboy Dukes albums like? Any stuff as good as "Journey to the Center of the Mind"

The first album is great. I Feel Free, Let's Go Get Stoned, and Down on Philips Escalator are some of the highlights.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

ok Tim download this track and rock it out hard:

http://s46.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0YBV5KLMC21XQ1GBUNTLBZQAIF

Stormy Davis (diamond), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

Ooh and Night Time.
xpost to myself

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

Night Time

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

wait, maybe there was a remix of the show on oh my god. i just sold a copy on ebay.

Why didn't you sell it to me, so we could have avoid this whole confusion?!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:28 (twenty years ago)

Man, Nugent ... was he like the only guy to ever really *get* the Yardbirds, guitar-wise (besides Hendrix, that is) or did he come up with that shit on his own?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

Forced Exposure has a boxed CD set of Josefus stuff, including a whole disc of unreleased tracks.

The Deadman reissue on Sundazed, I think, pretty much covered it in less space. Joseful essentially did the same album twice.

Re Nugent and contemporaries on the Yardbirds. Yeah, BOC definitely got the Yardbirds, really in live performance where they just killed. Some of it you can hear on "On Your Feet." Killing Floor really new what to do with Yardbirds legacy, too, and bigger amps.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't know as that I've ever heard Buck Dharma sounded like Beck or Page. He was influenced by Danny Kalb!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)

(Sorry my verb tenses are wrong in that post.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

i didn't realize the amboy dukes albums were that hard to come by. my mom had a copy of Journey to the Center of Your Mind that i stole from her and then i see it on walls for 35-50$. it's pretty great. there's one track on the Nuggets (Baby Please Don't Go) that totally blows me away every time i listen to it

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 05:56 (twenty years ago)

well don't you want to hear the good shit in the way it was meant to be heard you low rent nerds. just get the good vinyl, the 180 gram. you can buy cds and have a lil' jack sesh to the perfect range of frequencies coming out of your cd player. whilst whatever wise soul recommended putting these tasty treats out of good vinyl and i have good beer enjoying their niceness. you state of the art fags...

corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Argentina pressing plants?

I got a 'repress' of the Kraftwerk double album (one and two) recently. It's surprisingly good sound quality, although the false endings to "Ruckzeug" are absent. I bet that was an Arg pressing.

Hey, link one!

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Legacy released a one-disc Amboy Dukes compilation a few years back -- Loaded For Bear: The Best of Ted Nugent & the Amboy Dukes-- than neatly summarizes their Mainstream LPs. To my ears the guitar-playing is astonishing throughout, 20-year old Ted was a taut disciplined and witty Jeff Beck disciple. But the lyrics, praise Jesus, have to be the goofiest LSD nonsequitirs ever set down on PVC. You can almost understand Nugent eschewing the quest for chemical nirvana if damage like "Why is A Carrot More Orange Than An Orange" is the side-effect. But I was just listening to my favorite tracks from this last week: "Dr Slingshot" is a "Sweet Soul Music" like tribute to the late 60s scene and the uber-macho "Loaded For Bear" (from Migration)foreshadows Ted's solo career.

Got a couple of the orignals on vinyl but I'd buy yr reissues.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't know as that I've ever heard Buck Dharma sounded like Beck or Page. He was influenced by Danny Kalb!

It's in the arrangements. "Maserati GT," and such. In other matters,
one of my first pieces for Creem many years ago was a BOC interview set to coincide with Imaginos, the last of the line for Columbia. Roeser talked about Mike Bloomfield changing him. 'Course, if you listen to the Stalk-Forrest Group records, the guitarists and arrangements all sound a bit like they were into the Grateful Dead, something confirmed in a comment by Albert Bouchard's wife, Deb Frost, a couple years back.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Some of the time. But Donald also does some ripping Kalb/Bloomfield stuff on there. Meltzer said he thought Donald's best playing was in those early days.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

I would say that Nugent is to Jeff Beck as Billy Gibbons is to Hendrix, though Nugent really took it somewhere while Gibbons (on that Moving Sidewalks LP) was really just kind of able to get it right (though he admittedly kinda nailed it).

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

funny, i just downloaded (i mean bought) the 4 cd zz top collection yesterday and heard the Moving Sidewalks stuff and totally thought of hendrix's tone

jaxon (jaxon), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

six months pass...
I got a note from some ebay folks that says these are all being reissued on vinyl. That whole list of Mainstream records up top, I mean. So someone up there is listening to you, Scott. The only one I can find so far is this one, though:

http://www.vinyl.com/product_id/LPMAIN6117

Maybe the others are coming later.

Sang Freud (jeff_s), Sunday, 25 June 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

well, what took them so long!? hahaha. that is cool news. it doesn't even have to be fancy vinyl. you know, i think one of the great boons to freakdom was when someone decided to press all that capitol and epic stuff for cheap. kak, head shop, gandalf, etc. and they sounded great! and they were cheap. i'd like to shake their hand. whoever they were.

hey, i was in the record store the other day, THE ONLY RECORD STORE ON THIS ISLAND, and, of course, they had what looked to be a new reissue/boot of the mighty *Plastic Cloud* album. One of my faves of all time and one of the great great canuck psych albums. i might have to buy it. it might sound marginally better than the boot i already own. anyhow, if you have never heard it, YOU MUST BUY A COPY IMMEDIATELY. It is essential and urgent and key and all that.


scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 25 June 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know the Bohemian Vendetta did a whole LP.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 25 June 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, they did an album. i'll bet every one of these has been on cd at one time or another. lincoln st. exit turned into xit, by the way. the native american band. i was always too cheap to cough up the dough for an original jelly bean bandits album. that's a good one.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 25 June 2006 03:34 (nineteen years ago)

First album I ever owned was won at a bank opening in Canyon Country, CA in 1971. It was a promo copy of the Lincoln St.Exit LP. Even thought that my 6th grade classmates would enjoy the record, which lead to the first time I was laughed at for my musical tastes. Thankfully, I've been able to hold on to the LP all this time, though its condition is a little more ragged than I'd like. And yep, that Plastic Cloud LP is great. I know it's been reissued at least twice (Void in the 90's and some Australian label in the 80's) by now. Not counting the CD reissue on Laser's Edge.

Max Hechter (Max), Sunday, 25 June 2006 06:38 (nineteen years ago)

i finally picked up a copy of Plastic Cloud, why they only put one album out though? it's crazy!

also, what's the best Seed album?

rizzx (Rizz), Sunday, 25 June 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to shake their hand. whoever they were.

scorpio records out of NJ, dude. i've been told he has some weird deal with the labels where he has carte blanche to do reissues of 60s and 70s stuff from the masters. i can't vouch for the truth of that, of course.

plastic cloud thirded/fourthed - my girlfriend hated it the first time she bought it (probably the laser's edge version) because it said "MONSTER FUZZ PSYCH OUT NIGHTMARE BAD TRIP FUZZ MONSTER" and it's really pretty mellow even with that fuzz guitar skating around like mad. great!

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 25 June 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

yah, i have the 90's vinyl. if you see the scorpio dude, thank him for me. that's one of those things that was like a gift in a way. for ten bucks you could get good pressings of some good shit. i still have my copy of the bohemian vendetta singles/demos thing on vinyl that (i think) the distortions dude put out once upon a time. not the most impressive document in the world. that distortions dude (i think) was the one who booted my beloved gary walker & the rain album way back when. don't quote me on that though.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 25 June 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, plastic cloud is great! i haven't bought it yet, just listened to it. everyone's been so jazzed abt that reissue. people at both my jobs as well as, obviously, you folks on the internet.

the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 25 June 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

ten months pass...
They're here!!

DustyGroove has a slew of them now. so Scott, which one should I pick up first? as an old-school psysh obsessive, the Mainstream label is probably the largest blind spot I have ... I know absolutely none of these groups except the Amboys.

Stormy Davis, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

on vinyl?

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

i haven't heard a lot of them. i would buy them all.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

um, but i would go for the growing concern album and the tangerine zoo album.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:32 (eighteen years ago)

fuuuuuuuuck, i want them! i have no money :( what do i do?


who even put them out? i could get the record store here to get them maybe. then i could trade crappy CDs for them. i'm tricky like that.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

okay, so it looks like they have:


ellie pop

growing concern

orient express

stone circus

superfine dandelion

tangerine zoo

tiffany shade

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)

i wish i knew who was putting them out. i just hope they aren't crappy italian boots. the prices are good though.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, 12.99 for 180 Gram ... about standard. OKay Growing Concern and Tangerine Zoo it is! I can't wait, going to pick them up after work.

Stormy Davis, Friday, 18 May 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

super shady world psychedelia label put out the ellie pop album on cd, but this probably isn't them cuz the prices are too low. hopefully, they are somewhat legit.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

i've heard really good things about that orient express album too. tripped out middle eastern(esque) psych.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

orient express has had a scorpio press for a while now! it's pretty good, but i wouldn't put it in my top 10 psych records or anything. i haven't really heard any of these records. except that one, and the amboy dukes, and one or two of the john berberian ones.

ian, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

wow, so maybe they are all Scorpio pressings!!?? that would be so keen. they do good work.

Scorpio still doesn't have a website, right? do they sell on ebay? i'll have to look.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 16:56 (eighteen years ago)

did Scorpio put out the Roulette stuff too? morning dew, fallen angels...

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, that's all scorp scott.
if the computers are working at work when i get there i can send you their whole catalog! they did the 2nd fallen angels record. i don't think they did the other one.

ian, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

the pricing sounds abt right for scorpio suff, too.. usually 12-13 for 180 gram or 10 or 11 for "regular" vinyl (120 gram i think)

ian, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

yes, please do! i would like to see it.

scott seward, Friday, 18 May 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

the shame about the superfine dandelion is that a straight reissue wouldn't include their amazing 45. and the album really isn't that good.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Saturday, 19 May 2007 05:06 (eighteen years ago)

hrm, see, i just came here to post that the superfine dandelion is the best of the ones i've listened to so far! very straightahead. got a nice buffalo springfield vibe to it.

ian, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

other ones i listened to are Tiffany Shade and Ellie Pop. Tangerine Zoo up next.

ian, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

I've only listened to the Growing Concern so far .. but I enjoyed it. Some good fuzz, some dopey lyrics. Bought the Tangerine Zoo but haven't listened yet.

Stormy Davis, Wednesday, 23 May 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

I listened to Tiffany Shade the other day too and liked that one. I wish I liked tangerine Zoo more.. I listened to most of it at the store but i couldn't get into it so much. they're from RI! i have to like them! it's like how i wish there was a KBD band from RI even if they were horrible.

ANYWAY, i think "some dopey lyrics" is kinda OTM for all these. but on the whole they're really not bad; certainly no worse than a lot of other musics. (i mean, listening to hardcore punk in general is a lot more difficult than listening to dopey psych, paying strict attention to the lyrics.)

where is Tim Ellison?

ian, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

i still vote for superfine dandelion! for all fans of buffalo springfield/moby grape/rock and roll mellow vibes. with bonus songs about bein sad about girls.

ian, Thursday, 24 May 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

im putting a scorpio order together soon if anyone wants in
email thebunnybrains attttt geemail dot com

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

and by th looks of some of th catalogs they r colored wax too

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

scorpio sometimes has really weird options. there are like three versions of that gandalf record! blue, black or PICTURE DISC! i wonder how many hundreds of gandalf picture discs they're sitting on.

ian, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

couldn't i just CALL scorpio if i wanted them? why would i have to deal with a bunnybrain. plus, you are going on tour and i would never get them. in any case, i have no money. i figure they will be around forever. bob dickie sells them on his wdcd ebay. wdcd? is that it? i think that's it. although i think those dustygroove prices are even cheaper.

scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

i have loved scorpio since i was a lowly 16 yr old sales clerk at RecordWorld in Danbury..The giant boxes of weird dollar records still sealed would pour through the door every month or so and with my discount i could buy as many as i want.Then later on when I thought people would actually buy SS copies of Funkadelic lps i bought a ton of those for th store in Pawling.All they wanted was Bob Marley.

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

Just piggyback your piggyorder to my piggymail,
xpost-when r u reading in nyc sctt,cuxx i will book a bunny show for yur evening entertainment if u want

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

i think the marooned book reading party thing is gonna be august 22nd at housing works bookstore in soho (is that where it is?). but phil will have to confirm that for sure. he's still trying to figure out how many people will be coming, i think. i think it will be fun! robin and andy already said that maria and i could crash at their place.

scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

well when u know what is a better nite to rokk loudly,22 or 23.lemme know.i will book sumthing close to HW

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

i might try to hook up with good ol' doug abraham and beth. haven't seen them in years. and i still have never seen doug's store. lance told me he just opened a new fancy gallery or something too:

http://www.bess-nyc.com/

scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

he sells jewelry to cher and mary j blige and people like that.

scott seward, Thursday, 24 May 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

yikes,i have more humble clientele(altho Tom Davvis of Frankken and Davvis)comes in now,and we drink beers,and hes kinda the mary j blige of comedy writing.to me.cuz i loved snl.

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

hes writing a book called "thirty years of short term memory loss",which sounds like an awkward ape at 70's era luminites putting it all down for history,except that he wrote alot of the history.

danbunny, Thursday, 24 May 2007 15:30 (eighteen years ago)

Growing Concern is nice. The forced exposure website called it folk though, and that doesn't seem right.

ian, Monday, 28 May 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

alright, listened to superfine dandelion today... just ignore the shit out of anything i said above, it's a great album. it just took a while to really get at me. oh, and the reissue has "the other sidewalk" from their 45. but not "ferris wheel," i think, which is a killer little mope-psych tune.

GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Friday, 8 June 2007 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

A lot of these are available now as downloads on Amazon. Pretty good prices - 89 cents per track or $7.99 per album, some even cheaper.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 03:36 (fifteen years ago)

a pot of flowers is so essential

head gettin' bad boys (electricsound), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)

That band Wildflower on that sounds really good from the clips.

I got some excellent tracks by Growing Concern and Ellie Pop.

timellison, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 03:39 (fifteen years ago)


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