freak folk = the new baggy?

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i think so.

― corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

freak fold is the worst

― splates (splates), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

freak 'fold'

― splates (splates), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

hehe!

― corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

that's the perfect term for it

― corey c (shock of daylight), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

I would really like to hear the answer why this comparison is drawn.

― tektronica, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Anyone else getting rather creeped out by Devendra Banhart these days?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

NAH, JUST BORED.

― bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

...

as bored as i am with people attempting to brand a variety of groups and artists under a banner that implies only a need to codify in order to presumably enjoy?

― bb (bbrz), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I would really like to hear the answer why this comparison is drawn.

because baggy was a buncha starry-eyed hippies who loved to get high, and so's freak fold

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

starry eyed hippies? baggy?!?

― cw (cww), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

http://www.moonflowers.org.uk/

― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Well I think most of it is just great, and I'm STILL not bored of Devendra, or Joanna Newsom or Vetiver or Finnish people with acoustic guitars. Also, I like "baggy," so there.

― owen moorhead (i heart daniel miller), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

because baggy was a buncha starry-eyed hippies who loved to get high, and so's freak fold

hmmm..I figured baggy was a result of working-class drugged out-ness. Not hippies. I don't know much. Happy Mondays are not hippy........

― tektronica, Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

ARE YOU A TRIPSTER?!?!?! OMG WTF LOL

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

working class hippies do not exist? i think this is something of a misnomer

― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

is it? try naming some.

― cw (cww), Thursday, 1 December 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

Billy Connelly

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Thursday, 1 December 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

is it? try naming some.

... you've obviously never been to an Incredible String Band/ Robin Willamson gig in Glasgow

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Thursday, 1 December 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

also : ken kesey, richard brautigan

― zappi (joni), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

There's lots of them: Marc Bolan, Donovan, Jon Anderson etc etc etc etc

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (Dada), Thursday, 1 December 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

yeh from THAT generation maybe. I'm talking about NOW & 1989.

― cw (cww), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

baggy and freak folk are manifestly pretty much opposites tho. come on. they just are. hello joni by the way! how you doing up there in those midlands???

― cw (cww), Thursday, 1 December 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, if you gotta stick all these people in the freak folk ghetto, I guess I'd characterize them as some sort of aesthetes and dreamers, whereas the whole baggy thing to me was a bunch of laddish chancers on pills. Like for instance - how many women were there in all those baggy bands? One?

― NickB (NickB), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

can anyone explain the british penchant for putting things in boxes and treating them like cults? i've never quite understood.

best explanation i've heard offered is that following the war, the british had to aply the interest in having sides, teams, and the "inherent" sort of us v. them spirit onto its own culture. thus football and youth cult rivalries. this was postited by a brit who took the idea from some movie on punk (i think it was one of the don letts things, but i think i've seen most of those and don't recall any such idea being uttered by some lad on the street in any of them).

or is it that bands only come into existance in the UK after a trend has been set so new ones rise up to join the club?

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

1967=1989!

― calderdale in the 70s (gareth), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

(hi chris! midlands are grey & desolate. i miss brighton. you still in london?)

― zappi (joni), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

it's a class thing, right?

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

putting things in boxes and treating them like cults is fun & diverting. it's highly useful for making generalisations. also i think there's a fair argument that baggy deserves to be in a box buried deep underground and if banharts crew aren't a cult who is?

(yeh joni still in london i think grey desolation is pretty much the order of the day here too...)

― cw (cww), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

if devendra plasters his next record with badly used funky drummer samples and acid house remixes then i am all for it

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

it's highly useful for making generalisations

i'm not sure how to take that...

it seems like its highly useful for setting up reasons just to sound off as well. i still don't see the point.

"baggy" was good fun, though i won't fight burying flowered up and some of it....

ill give you something for putting it well and taking proper advantage of my wording, but the argument still doesn't hold

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

but using the term baggy you are guilty of precisely the syndrome you're highlighting surely?

― cw (cww), Thursday, 1 December 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

... you've obviously never been to an Incredible String Band/ Robin Willamson gig in Glasgow

-- Oh No, It's Dadaismus (and His Endless Stupid Jokes) (dadaismus@hotmail.co.uk), December 1st, 2005. (later)

or bought pot.

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

the title "freak folk" is more annoying than some of the music i hear as described by it. so far, i have only really liked espers and joanna newsome. some of the devendra banhart stuff i heard is ok, but a lot of it drives me nuts. i don't really think much of this "freak folk" stuff sounds too freaky or folky.

― peter x (bucksbreeze), Thursday, 1 December 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Ian Svenonius once wrote an article about the rise of electroclash happening congruent to rents skyrocketing in the Brooklyn area. No one could afford the practice spaces, the free time, the drums, the amps, etc., so everyone got a drum machine and took it back to the bedroom. Same for the rise of the cringe-inducingly named freak folk genre. Why would you rent a van or break your back hauling a bass amp when you can just tie on the headband and roll up to your gig with your acoustic guitar for a gape-mouthed glassy-eyed jam? It's been a few years now since bands started trading their distortion pedals for dreamcatchers, and the pages of Arthur magazine are overflowing with the new weird America which really isn't all that weird or that new. The point I'm trying to make is that the psychedelic music of the middle 2000s is a little bit interchangeable or disposable, and it's hard to determine what's real and what's jumping a bandwagon.

othermusic... how could you?! are you saying it's over?!?!

― open the BLOOD gates! (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 13 November 2008 15:19 (seventeen years ago)

but wasn't that Svenonius article printed in ... (drumroll) ... Arthur magazine?

― dmr, Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:35 (seventeen years ago)

I don't think it's that interesting of a point, every trend has bandwagon-jumpers

― dmr, Thursday, 13 November 2008 18:37 (seventeen years ago)

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