Germs Reunion: ANYBODY?

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Sorry if this is posted elsewhere on ILX, I did a search and couldn't find anything?

Has anybody seen these shows? Have there been more than one? The singer used to be on ER? Is it worth seeing?

I think you'd have to have a lot of nerve to be Darby Crash, but I think I'm going to go to the NYC show dressed in Adam Ant gear, you know, for kicks.

Goth Twin Infinitive, Saturday, 3 December 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

with all due respect to the thread starter and the surviving germs, what's the point?

The Great Pagoda of Funn (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, probably money.

Is this a rhetorical question?

Goth Twin Infinitive, Saturday, 3 December 2005 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

It's to promote this movie.
IMDB entry-
What We Do Is Secret (2005)
Directed by
Rodger Grossman

Writing credits
Michelle Baer Ghaffari (co-written by)
Rodger Grossman

Plot Outline: A biopic of punk legend Darby Crash and his band, the Germs.

Cast (in credits order)
Shane West .... Darby Crash
Bijou Phillips .... Lorna Doom
rest of cast listed alphabetically:
Noah Abrams .... Audience Member #1
Ozzy Benn .... Captain Sensible
Christopher Boyd .... Dave Vanian
Missy Doty .... Amber
Lauren German .... Belinda
Brian Gleason .... Regi Mental
Rick Gonzalez .... Pat Smear
Amy Halloran .... Becky
Michele Hicks .... Penelope Spheeris
Ashton Holmes .... Rob Henley
Katharine Leonard .... Jena
Tina Majorino .... Michelle
J.P. Manoux .... Rodney Bingenheimer
Howard S. Miller .... Starwood Manager
Randi Newton .... Gerber
Paul Nygro .... Bob Biggs
Keir O'Donnell .... Chris Ashford
Brian Oerly .... Bouncer
Ray Park .... Brendan Mullen
Chris Pontius .... Black Randy
Sara Rivas .... Shannon
Sebastian Roché .... Claude Kickboy Bessy
Rachael Santhon .... Melissa
Noah Segan .... Don Bolles
Azura Skye .... Casey Cola
Richard Wharton .... Whiskey Manager

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

I think it would be fun at least to see Pat, Lorna, and Don play those songs.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

Making a movie called "What We Do Is Secret". Oh, that's rich.

I did indeed hear that the ER guy did such a good job that Pat thought it would be a good idea to get the band back together. I also heard that Lorna is married and living in the NJ suburbs and that her husband didn't even know she was in a band, but then heard she was married to a Blackheart - so he'd probably have an idea.

Goth Twin Infinitive, Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

On the one hand, I'm sure it'll sound kinda cool - the songs are good - but on the other hand... well, watch some actual Germs footage; trying to do anything like that in front of a non-abusive, unafraid, safe crowd pretty much removes most of what made Germs shows incredible. The Germs, like so many great bands, were not "about the music" - that was really a small part of what made them special. A big part of what made them special was that they had no idea what they were doing, and that Darby was higher than pretty much anybody you'd ever seen onstage - high enough to not look like he was having any fun at all, way way beyond high, often visibly in the midst of a blackout - and of course there was the general violence of L.A. shows in those days. All these elements, and the newness of the whole scene, made for some very intense shows.

To just play "Media Blitz" or "Lexicon Devil" in front of a bunch of applauding, approving people, on the other hand - well, it's so far from the spirit of the Germs that it recontextualizes the music for the worse, I'd think. It kinda does a disservice to history, however inisignifigant both the history and the disservice done to it may be. I'm really not "against" the surviving Germs doing it - if they're having fun and the audience is having fun, more power to everybody - but unless they're writing new songs that convulse as unsurely and unsteadily as the old ones did, which I don't think it'd be possible for them to do, then I'm not interested, and I'm puzzled as to how anybody could be interested in a safe, semi-canonical Germs.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 3 December 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

"and I'm puzzled as to how anybody could be interested in a safe, semi-canonical Germs."

most people only know them as safe and semi-canonical though. most people only know the album, and a big part of what makes the album special is the music. i bought that album in 1985 or 1986, and the germs were already safely canonical to me. still love it though. have no interest in seeing a reunion show however. but i have no interest in most reunion shows. i was excited to see an adolescents reunion in 1986. most of the straightedgers surrounding me were not.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds like a bad idea. Darby's dead. There are no Germs.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Seward otm.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

sure Scott - I love the album, too, though to my ears it's always had that insane edge: you don't even need to know the backstory to hear that the lead guy is way the hell out there in orbit, and that like so many young bands they're sorta flying by the seats of their pants, learning as they go, breaking ground if not entirely new to the world then at least new to themselves. So, while the record's canonical, you can still hear the thing in it, I think - certainly it was a record made by a non-canonical act, you follow. It wasn't "hi, we're the Germs, y'all know our songs are great so now we're gonna play 'em for you." It was "hi what the fuck I am young and high and pretty sure I'll be dead by this time next year let's fucking rock." Which is why a reunion's not an interesting idea at all to me.

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

A local radio station here in San Diego is putting on a Christmas or New Years' show with the Germs, Bauhaus, and the Bravery!

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

bijou philips and shane west

latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

if they ever make a black flag movie, will rollins play himself wakka wakka

latebloomer: The Corridor (Yes, The Corridor) (latebloomer), Saturday, 3 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

i find it funny that they got one of the Jackass guys to do Black Randy

kingfish crab trampycakes (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 December 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

i think this could totally be fun if i forget about the whole "darby crash is dead and oh, reunions suck" aspect. then again, i play in a kinks cover band, so what the hell do i know?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)


At the very least the movie looks like it will be fascinating, with the reproducing of the scene. And it has the potential of being great. And some L.A. reviewer said that Shane did a credible job in a club gig as Darby, so even the band may be worth checking out.

nickn (nickn), Saturday, 3 December 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

if they ever make a black flag movie, will rollins play himself wakka wakka

No, they'll just paint a bunch of tattoos on a refrigerator.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get the point of a Germs reunion, but I never got the point of the Germs.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

what is there to get? GI is a great punk record.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

Not to my ears, it's not. I only listened to it once, granted, but I didn't hear anything I'd ever want to hear again.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't remember whether i heard the ROIR tape first before hearing the album. I think i did, cuz i remember being really surprised by how tight the band was on the album and all i knew about Germs was sprawling mess.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Listen to it one more time.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

>Listen to it one more time.

What, homework? Life's too short, the stack of unplayed CDs by my stereo is too tall. I'll listen to Claude Coma and the IVs' Art From Sin again, instead - back when I was 13 and just getting introduced to punk by my crazy friend Lowell (who had heisted all the best records out of his older brother's room), that was one of my favorite albums.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 3 December 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

this thread led me to buy (GI) offa iTunes - my vinyl of it's back in California, and the reissue has pretty much all the Germs you need, except for the live DVD, which is totally essential. I know life's short 'n' all, but I really do feel the Germs were a singularity: not just great punk but really no-holds-barred cage match punk, the stuff that sorta makes good on the threat. Also, Smear is playing rings around everybody in the scene besides Jeffrey Lee Pierce, and it's kinda exciting.

iTunes man! you don't gotta accumulate any extra stuff! or not, just sayin', very little counts as "classic" to me but (GI) does

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

then again, I put the new Bolt Thrower in the "classic" shelf after one listening

Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Saturday, 3 December 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the reunion gig in LA with Shane West *as* Darby. It was very, very strange. The band still totally kicks ass and the songs are great, but the whole Darby-as-played-by-actor dynamic makes everything very disturbing and overdetermined. It's not bad but it's very perverse and symptomatic and interesting. I went home and wrote a long ass essay about it that's going to come out some time so I won't blather on forever here. But basically it creates a very perverse extra layer of meaning at certain points in certain songs, and it becomes like, I dunno, a Civil War re-enactment of an old battle or something. I recommend it, but strap down for an odd experience.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

The word canon in this thread bothers me because the Germs are nowhere near canonical enough IMO. Don Bolles is a great guy and I imagine the others are too and it's stupidly stingy to begrudge them some extra recognition and maybe a few dollars. This is not a fucking Sex Pistols reunion or something people.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 5 December 2005 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

What's wrong with the Sex Pistols reunion?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Monday, 5 December 2005 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

John Lydon already has enough cash from his Malibu real estate dealings or whatever. I was just kidding though. I can think of 1000 bands I would pick on for reuniting before I would pick on the Germs.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 5 December 2005 06:30 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the reunion gig [...] It was very, very strange. The band still totally kicks ass and the songs are great, but the whole [...] dynamic makes everything very disturbing and overdetermined. It's not bad but it's very perverse and symptomatic and interesting. [...] basically it creates a very perverse extra layer of meaning at certain points in certain songs [...]

Drew, are you me writing about Gang of Four? If not, please get out of my brain ("overdetermined" indeed). Thanks.

xero (xero), Monday, 5 December 2005 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

shane west doesnt get it and sucks

howell huser (chaki), Monday, 5 December 2005 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

shane west?!?!?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

Don Bolles is a great guy

!!!!

thought I couldn't be shocked anymore, then I read that.

A Person, Monday, 5 December 2005 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I don't know him or anything. He just seems like an interesting guy.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 5 December 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the show and to me it was always about the music, not the "scene". Darby never sang into the mike anyway. It was pretty good although I though the guitar wasn't loud enough.

Hec Ramsey, Monday, 12 December 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Drew's essay, which was delivered at EMP Pop Conference last spring, is amazing. Tho I can't see how the print version will live up to the live performance, which included video of Drew getting a Germs Burn.

carl w (carl w), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 06:45 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

What we do is get profiled.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 June 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

I didn't realize who Shane West was until I read that article last week. All I could think was "Oh *that* guy from ER. He is *so* not Darby!" But I guess I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

Better or worse than the Edie Sedgwick movie, I wonder?

nickn, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Or as Don Bolles christened me, 'Shane Wreck.'

haha perfect

marmotwolof, Tuesday, 26 June 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

the Darby movie is finally opening (just NY/LA?) this Fri.

Did Drew ever publish his essay?

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 14:49 (seventeen years ago)

The film was profiled today in Salon. They gave it a meh.

leavethecapital, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:28 (seventeen years ago)

slate also gave meh however film threat and variety gave props

however this:

the Mae Shi performed as the Screamers

UH

Edward III, Tuesday, 5 August 2008 19:39 (seventeen years ago)

meh seems the consensus opinion.

Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 13:41 (seventeen years ago)

I think getting wasted and listening to Germicide in a big room w a bunch of people'd be better than that tour.

Also, man listening to a record ONCE is so dumb! I mean if it's not yr usual thing, anyway. How're you gonna know if it could BECOME yr thing? Listen to it a LOT! Buy records you think you won't like AND LISTEN TO THEM TIL YOU DO! It's way more fun than hearing some boring thing you already know you'll like, and pretty selfilluminating too

Niles Caulder, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 14:37 (seventeen years ago)

Buy records you think you won't like AND LISTEN TO THEM TIL YOU DO! It's way more fun than hearing some boring thing you already know you'll like, and pretty selfilluminating too

most OTM thing said on ILM in ages

J0hn D., Wednesday, 6 August 2008 15:17 (seventeen years ago)

it's true - many of the bands I love I didn't like at first listen. I've developed an instinct that says "I'm not digging this but there's something there, I need to listen to it again."

Edward III, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

in other news, they should've hired realicide to be the screamers

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQxZ0Vaj6FE

Edward III, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:00 (seventeen years ago)

too lazy to c+p? no worries

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQxZ0Vaj6FE

Edward III, Wednesday, 6 August 2008 16:01 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

They're playing in London in a couple of weeks.

I'm not sure either way what they'd be like to see live now - I'm usually all for going to see reformed bands and not usually that bothered if it's all original members or not, but I've read Shane West isn't just singing for the Germs, he's still acting the role of Darby Crash from the movie onstage, which I dunno, kinda seems a bit weird.

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 16:22 (fifteen years ago)

Kind of a parallel to this is when Henry Rollins sang for the Ruts - another band whose singer OD'd at the beginning of the 80s - but he wasn't onstage in the role of Malcolm Owen, he was just singing the songs, and I have no problem with that (in fact I kinda wish I'd gone to that gig).

Colonel Poo, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

wow What We Do Is Secret is shamefully, hilariously bad. possibly the worst "rock biopic" I've ever seen.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 3 May 2012 23:54 (thirteen years ago)

haha yeah i made it about 20 minutes

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:00 (thirteen years ago)

wow What We Do Is Secret is shamefully, hilariously bad. possibly the worst "rock biopic" I've ever seen.

Oh come on, it's certainly better than the Def Leppard biopic that VH-1 put together (the one with Anthony Michael Hall as Mutt Lange).

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:35 (thirteen years ago)

but both the Chips and Quincy punk rock episodes are far better (and less tedious than What We Do...)

Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:37 (thirteen years ago)

Oh come on, it's certainly better than the Def Leppard biopic that VH-1 put together (the one with Anthony Michael Hall as Mutt Lange).

― Reality Check Cashing Services (Elvis Telecom), Thursday, May 3, 2012 7:35 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha omg how did i miss that???

l0u1s j0rdan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2012 00:53 (thirteen years ago)

That Def Lep movie is awesome! Fuck the haters.

EZ Snappin, Friday, 4 May 2012 00:56 (thirteen years ago)

WWDIS is a miracle of poor construction, it doesn't even really have scenes or characters - it follows this weird model of a talking head says something happened > show that thing happening for 10 seconds > brief music interlude > on to next thing.

Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 4 May 2012 17:42 (thirteen years ago)

Agree that the Def Leppard movie is great. There is a lot of subtlety in it, and it's really fun to watch. No, I'm not being sarcastic.

Poliopolice, Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:30 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

do you think darby ever once said "cut your hair you krautrock hippy" like in the film

am0n, Sunday, 17 June 2012 17:22 (thirteen years ago)


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