new tropicalia compilation on soul jazz

i say weak

There aren't very many tropicalia artists to choose from, if you go by Veloso's description of the movement in Tropical Truth.

If you're looking for a primer, you can't do any better than this.

I think SoulJazz goes for "quirky" & "unpredictable" rather than classic summary. I had this same problem w/ New York Noise No "Moody" or "Cavern" wtf ? though I do enjoy listening to it.

now back to Brazil

BTW, I'm especially liking what what I've heard by Jorge Ben, such as the killer "Hermes Trismegisto e Sua Celeste Tábua de Esmeralda"...but I have no idea how to pronounce his name. I've pretty much got Caetano (CAI-DAH-NOH) and Gilberto (JEEL-BEH-TOH) down. Is Jorge pronounced like the Spanish? And Ben, I'm guessing, sounds something like "bane".

I could understand putting some immediately post-movement, '69 era stuff on there, but having two tracks each from the third Mutantes album and the '69 Veloso album while a lot of the big Tropicalismo whoppers are left off is bad.

Loving it as I listen to it more, and I do think it's quite a good primer (again, putting this up against the Polygram collection or the original Tropicalia ou Panis et Circenses project, it's got Tom Ze + Jorge Ben, which is a definite plus), if missing some classics. Hadn't thought about how "Algeria, Algeria" isn't on there, that's really inexcusable. And as for the '69 Veloso tracks and the third Mutantes album, the only justification (aside from the tracks being excellent) seems to be that in sound they fit in well with the rest, if not in chronology.

i love love love 'em, but i want to see more variety!

god i'm such a hippie.

Wonderful! Haven't heard the songs but wants something more obscure and not reissued. HAHAHAAAA! This messageboard is such great entertainment...

And by the way "Baby" sucks, that's probably why they left it off.

As a one-disk sampler, this is fine, i guess, but there are enough tropicalia / brazil comps out there -- the only reason to buy this one over any other, IMHO, is because you like the liner notes.

Wonderful! Haven't heard the songs but wants something more obscure and not reissued. HAHAHAAAA! This messageboard is such great entertainment...

i meant i don't know the song titles. i couldn't tell you the song title of almost any album i've got, it's just not something i memorize.

i've got pretty much every song on the comp on cd already.

Under the definition "cool Brazilian pop/rock from the late 60s" yeah, I think he had an album or two in that period. A lot of people seem to define Tropicalia that way. But under more meaningful definitions--e.g. what was perceived as tropicalia at the time--no.

And by the way "Baby" sucks, that's probably why they left it off.

If "Baby" sucks, I guess you're "Baby." That song more or less encompasses Tropicalia.

Anyone know what that Veloso track at the end with the English title is?

i understand that tim but it doesnt make much sense to put together a compilation with only 4 or 5 different artists, you know? or is the genre that limited?

http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf100/f110/f11010zg6bm.jpg

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Thanks Keith C for the heads up, it looks like they even have it now.

dude, just write me an email. (but if it's like last time, you probably won't get it for another year)

Jorge Ben can actually be included as he basically revolutionised samba by making it a bit more rocky and in turn influenced caetano, gil etc.

I'd add a second CD as per Mitya's suggestion A much more interesting compilation would be one that contrasted the tracks on this disc with contrasts the "tropicalia proper" stuff with the other MPB and jovem guarda stuff of the era. Particularly if you're going to all the trouble of 50 pages of liner notes and then coming up with a fairly narrow set of tracks.

And considering the liner notes take the time to detail that a lot of these records had sorta experimental & different lyrics (not in English) that were a big part of it's identity, the lack of lyrics is an unfortunate oversight.

Also, if they're going to highlight 5 important artists instead of 20 single tracks... I wish they weren't scattered all over the disk, to make the comparisons easier. I'll have to try rearranging the tracks this way sometime though, it might not work.

Oh, and it's great! I know sh*t all about this stuff, but I sure as hell feel it a whole lot more than Beck writing a regurgitated "Tropicalia" song, or mostly any other rock (not that all of it is rock-y) music in sight from 2006.

As someone who owns a ton of tropicalia-era stuff, I think "Panis et Circenses" is a great song and who cares if it's over-compiled.

this one actually looks interesting and not just a primer on the subject - ie. there's actually some things i haven't heard (of) on it.

http://www.souljazzrecords.co.uk/releases/?id=9770

Brazil 70
After Tropicalia: New Directions in Brazilian Music
Soul Jazz Records

1. Secos e Molhados — Amor PLAY
2. Alceu Valenca — Punhal de Prata PLAY
3. Novos Baianos — Tinindo-Trincado PLAY
4. Jaimie Alem — Passara PLAY
5. Tom Ze — Correio De Estacao Do Brais
6. Gilberto Gil — Sai Do Serno PLAY
7. Raul Seixas — Mosca no Soba PLAY
8. Erasmo Carlos — Mane Joao PLAY
9. Jards Macale — Farinha Do Desprezo
10. Gilberto Gil — O Canto Da Ema PLAY
11. Nelson Angelo and Joyce — Vivo Ou Morto PLAY
12. Gal Costa — Pontos De Luz PLAY
13. Raul Sexias — As Aventures De Raul Seixas Na Cidade De Thor PLAY
14. Nelson Angelo & Joyce — Sete Cahorros PLAY
15. Caetano Veloso — Joia
16. Rita Lee — Corista De Rock PLAY
17. Ednardo e o Pessoal De Ceara — Ingazeiras
18. Novos Baianos — America Tropical PLAY
19. Mar Revolto — Contendas De Sincora

where's Tim Maia

Out back with his chocolate.

That Novos Baianos is excellent, all their stuff is worth picking up.

so glad they chose 'amor' by secos e molhados. that song rules! looks great but i think they could have picked a better rita lee song. and yes, tim maia is very conspicuous by his absence.

Respect to soul jazz for digging these tracks out. Post-tropicalia Brazilian pop is virtually unknown outside Brazil, and I shall definitely be getting this.

Can't wait til they get on to the 1980s.

Continuing along this thought process, I'm also looking forward to some future manguebeat compilation when they eventually get on to the 90s.

ugh, i tried to get into manguebeat a while back and it sounded pretty dire to these ears. i realized it wasn't something i would have listened to if it was sung in english and the only reason i was giving it the chance was because it was from a different country.

Both compilations are excellent (brazil70 and tropicalia), the Tropicalia album could use some variety sure, but they're amongst the most essential compilations of the era I've seen. Hope they release another one soon.