Under Mi Sleng Teng

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Wayne Smith. famous for being sampled by sl2 of course. i've read that this was a sea change in jamaican music, i do not know jamaican music very well, and do not know how true this is. anyone? it was from about 1985 wasn't it? did it change jamaican music? how? do you think it is as ace as i do?

gareth, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It was the first digital dancehall record, before all live session bands. Pretty much the demo button on a casio with a bit of extra production, which makes it sound not as good as it is when i read it back. There's a whole lot about that tune's importance in the excellent book "Bass Culture" by Lloyd Bradley. fantastic tune.

ed, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yeah, it's a Eddy Cochran riff played on a shit casio preset. you'll also notice how quiet and basic the drum sounds are on dancehall - even on the really ruff tracks. unlike hiphop where producers spend ages on finding the fattest drum breaks, dancehall keeps the drums pretty quiet and lets the deejay (i.e. MC) carry the rhythm

re: live bands: not quite 'all live session bands' before - yes the rhythms were recorded by live bands, but re-used for multiple versions with different singers/deejays, remixed, and generally messed about with. the band and vocalist would only rarely be recording a track at the same time. Jamaican music has never been 'rockist' about recording and production.

could say it marks the big change in dancehall from the dubbier early 80s tracks (Sister Nancy 'Bam Bam', Tenor Saw 'Ring the Alarm', Barrington Levy 'Under Mi Sensi' + 'Shine Eye Gal', Mikey Dread 'Barber Saloon' all essential) to the digital era. also noticeable is a change in the basic rhythm from the reggae upbeat, which came from US 50's R'n'B, back to earlier Poco, Burru etc rhythms

some other good late 80s/early 90s digital tracks: Courtney Melody 'Bad Boy', Chaka Demus and Pliers 'Murder She Wrote', and the King Tubby 80s compilation on Pressure Sounds ('Firehouse Revolution') is excellent

read 'Wake the Town and Tell the People' by Norman C. Stolzoff for more dancehall info - Lloyd Bradley doesn't think much of Dancehall in general, although he does interview some people from Fatis Burrell's Xterminator studio at the end IIRC. talking of Xterminator, the last two Sizzla albums ('Bobo Ashanti' and 'Rastafari Teach I Everything', both Xterminator productions) are excellent

michael, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wayne Smith's "Under Me Sleng Teng" is the first reggae tune to use a digital rhythm track. Although it was CONCEIVED OF on a casio keyboard (by slowing a preset rock rhythm down), it was recorded in early 1985 by King Jammy using live session musicians (either Pablov Black or Steelie and Cleavie play the keyboard rhythm on the recording). As Beth Lesser documents in her book, "King Jammy's," the 'sleng teng' riddim--first unleashed in a Waterhouse sound clash between Jammy's and Black Scorpio--had a truly revolutionary effect on reggae. No longer restricted by the cost of having to pay for studio musicians and recording time, ghetto-based producers (like Jammy, Jack Scorpio, Sugar Minott, Myrie & Marshall, King Tubby, etc.) were able to build riddims in primitive studios (usually small rooms in local houses that were equipped with 2 or 4 track vocing facilities and a dubcutting machine), voicing local/unknown artists over them at a minimal cost. Not only did this mean greater exposure for ghetto-based singers, deejays and producers, but it meant that ghetto producers could compete in Kingston's sound wars, and thus, gain the opportunity to sell Jamaican product abroad (as Jammy did through deals with Greensleeves in England, Live & Love in Brooklyn and other labels).

While the advent of digital riddims didn't completely change--at least not immediately --the riddims that were ruling reggae during the pre-digital "dancehall" era (digital versions of Studio One classics like "throw me corn," "heavenless" and others continued and still do continue to appear), the digital style, by opening the door to poor, Waterhouse-based singers and deejays like Nitty Gritty, Tenor Saw, King Kong, Lt. Stitchie, General Trees, Pompidou, and others, did change the style of dancehall. Just as rocksteady toasters like Dennis Alcapone had to hang it up when Sly & Robbie's "rockers" updates of Treasure Isle and Studio One rocksteady/early reggae classics started to take over in the mid-70s, the digital riddims demanded new singing and deejaying styles--and in many cases, necessitated a changing of the guard. The "waterhouse style," (epitomozed in Tenor Saw's flat, nasal singing) was in, and success in the dancehall--and thus in reggae--depended upon one's ability to adapt.

I would argue that it wasn't until 1987, with the release of Jammy and Admiral Bailey's "punaany" riddim, that the elements of soca and calypso began to conspire with reggae to produce what would eventually become the "hardcore" ragga beats that are so often associated with reggae post-1985. Still, Wyne Smith's "Under Me Sleng Teng" remains the first digital riddim track, and thus, is recognize as the root of ragga. If you're interested in other sleng teng versions, listen to Sugar Minott's "War and Crime" and "Jam in the Street," or Tenor Saw's "Pumpin Belly."

micah, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Magic record. The dub version on the 12 inch is absolutely fucking mental.

Daniel, Thursday, 28 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two months pass...
I run a dub cutting studio based in Luton (junction 11 on the M1 motorway)approx 35 miles from London. If you wan to get your dubs cut or voice an artist send me a e-mail at "attraction_music@hotmail.com"

Greg d, Saturday, 11 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

four weeks pass...
does anybody know what casio keyboard had the sleng teng rhythm in????

glenn woodward, Sunday, 9 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three years pass...
you still there glenn?

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/me aaaaaaaaaa (eman), Sunday, 30 April 2006 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

I have got Under Me Fat Thing Version in my head all the time these days. I suppose it is because it is so simple.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

I bought a dancehall comp this past Sunday, and when I got home I had to play Under Mi Sleng Teng three or four times. Then, later in the evening I saw this thread revival. Fucking weird.

jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

whats he saying on this?

there's whey in my brain?
it's way in my brain?
they're weigh-ing my brain?

pisces, Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

i have one of those casios pictured above but that one looks like it's had some weird modifications made to it.

he's singing 'it's way in my brain'.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Way in my brain, is way in my brain
Is way in my brain, well, now

Under me sleng teng, me under me sleng teng
Under me sleng teng, me under me hey hey
Under me sleng teng, me under me sleng teng
Under me sleng teng, me under me hey hey

Way in my brain, no cocaine
I don't wanna, I don't wanna go insane
Way in my brain, no cocaine
I don't wanna, I don't wanna go insane

Because-a inna me eyes there is red like blood
and I been moving around like a human flood
Smoke out of me mouth and outa me nose
I blow it in the air 'a mek de smoke expose

In Westmoreland a where the sense a-come from
put it in a crocus bag pon the mini van
tek de seed an me mek de 'ash oil
an me put in de barrel 'ca me know it no spoil

I said me smoke it and me pass it thru de windah
an me give it to my nex door neighba
Me said me smoke it and me pass it thru de windah
an me give it to my nex door neighba

Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

personal favorite Sleng Teng versions are "Call the Police", "Buddy Bye", "Eagle Feathers"

I asked about this on the Rolling thread and got no reply... how do people rate Sleng Teng Resurrection?

Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

westmoreland like the services on the m6 (or is it m74?)

simon 803 (simon 803), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

personal favorite Sleng Teng versions are "Call the Police", "Buddy Bye", "Eagle Feathers"

"Pumpkin Belly"!!!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

nah

Unlimited Toothpicker (eman), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

budy bye is amazing - i once mixed it in with autobahn by kraftwerk and it worked really well.

dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 2 May 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

wicked good

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Various -- Watch How The People Dancing -- Unity Sounds FromThe London Dancehall 1986-1989 . . . LP . . . $18.99 List Price: $22.98 (Item: 62068)
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Unity Sounds was one of the top, if not the top sound system in London throughout the 80s, and like so many Jamaican greats, went on to start cutting their own rhythms. In the post Jammy's era, this meant stripped down digital beats -- round, bouncing basslines and tinny Casio drums, the reggae equivalent to the nascent electro sound of early hip hop. Each of the tracks here is followed by it's version, and they're all voiced by singers, no deejays, twenty one tracks in all, over seven mighty rhythms, including Selah Collins' "Pick A Sound", Richie Davis "You Ha Fe Cool", Kenny Knots "Ring My Number", "Run Come Call Me" and "Watch How The People Dancing", Peter Bouncer "Ready For The Dancehall Tonight" and Mikey Murka "Ride The Rhythm". Plus there's a nice fold out with photos and an extensive interview with Ribs of Unity Sounds.

jäxøñ (jaxon), Monday, 15 May 2006 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

I love that CD. I got a cut-out for $5 from Amoeba.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 15 May 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
i came this>

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Friday, 4 August 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone heard the dubstep version of this?

Nedpoleon (NedBeauman), Saturday, 5 August 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Who is it by?

gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 6 August 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII???????????????

=[[ (eman), Sunday, 6 August 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

my post was swallowed by the browser

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

i came very close to buying this record is what i said, but i bought some other record

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

it was really good, though. it made it hard to decide what to buy. it's a fun struggle.

a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
okay i bought this

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

the sleeve was starting to get worn out at the store and i took pity on it. why so many people listen and yet none buy?

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

i won't lie; i would rather these beats weren't so tinny and i wish they had some reverb on them. these basslines are killer

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

okay so i'm starting to really love this percussion.

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

it turns around so quick!

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

now go buy all the versions

=[[ (eman), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

2 much $!!!

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Just get the first CD. VP reissued it a while ago.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know, dudes, i just bought 8 sides of vinyl (of which this makes four). i think i'ma cool it.

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

any reservations i had about the casio beats have been smashed.

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

when i said buy i meant "buy"

=[[ (eman), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

buy more like "buy" amirite

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

by the way, anyone get this yet?

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000FJAVLY.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_V63195268_.jpg

there's a bonus disc dvd apparently:

Also included here is a wonderful DVD with interviews with Jammy's his co-producer, Johnny Wonder and many others, including Ninja Man. Ninja gets into a rather funny 'clash' with Bunny General right in front of Jammy's studio and you get a really interesting look at the very very rich old man still recording JA's finest in one of the most violent ghettos in all of JA, with absolutely no intention of leaving. You get rare glimpses and interviews with individuals such as Tupps, Jammy's selector who had achieved a near mythical mysterious reputation when I was coming up, you watch him as he ever so quietly and carefully work. And you get alot of the King's peers and protoge's talking of the man and his work and MANY of the artists who voiced for him, from Josey Wales to Elephant Man; his peers such as Bobby Digital and Black Scorpio (and nice footage of their clash) and even his wife, the documentary is every bit as good as the cd.

=[[ (eman), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

i might just "purchase" that

=[[ (eman), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think i've ever seen such a scintillating documentary film on dvd in "stores." where might i "purchase" it?

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

King At The Controls (Part 1/10)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNFsdHr_ImQ

am0n, Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:13 (fifteen years ago)

whats he saying on this?
there's whey in my brain?

― pisces, Tuesday, May 2, 2006 7:06 AM (4 years ago)

_▂▅▇█▓▒░◕‿‿◕░▒▓█▇▅▂_ (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 12 August 2010 04:55 (fifteen years ago)

otm

The Reverend, Thursday, 12 August 2010 05:56 (fifteen years ago)

In jamaican fasion the dub was used on 100s of tracks

X-101, Thursday, 12 August 2010 08:04 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

Sad news from Jamaica:

http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/latestnews/Wayne--Sleng-Teng--Smith-is-dead

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:13 (eleven years ago)

Ah, there is thread for this. Read that sad news on another thread. RIP you pioneer

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:28 (eleven years ago)

Shit. RIP. 'Under Mi Sleng Teng' is *such* a good song.

emil.y, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:31 (eleven years ago)

sleng teng is all time

just sayin, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 17:45 (eleven years ago)

vey sad news.

cosmically strange timing that he died the day i released a sleng teng record.

stirmonster, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 18:24 (eleven years ago)

oh no! RIP

only 48 too - not just sad to die so young but also surprised me given that Sleng Teng is nearly 30 now

not a player-hater i just hate a lot (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 19:57 (eleven years ago)

Aw that sucks. Have more or less gotten used to hearing of roots icons passing, not ready for 80s legends too. Sleng Teng fans should check out Ain't No Meaning too, Smith could really sing. RIP

rob, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:51 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pbtfd7RomQ

hang son doong (am0n), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 22:14 (eleven years ago)

two months pass...

check out the NUH FRAID riddim from Jah Snowcone!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQY35sF5Ox4

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 15:20 (eleven years ago)

^^ CANNOT REP THIS ENOUGH

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:38 (eleven years ago)

heard the Bounty Killer the other day--didn't realize was like 10 more versions! Agent Sasco sounds really at home on this, got a kick out of hearing his Wa Da Da Dengs

rob, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 22:22 (eleven years ago)

yes!

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 May 2014 10:47 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leo7s2DqOas

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 May 2014 10:48 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tXPCaebPg8

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 May 2014 10:49 (eleven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqvC0aZjJQQ

am0n, Friday, 9 May 2014 15:29 (eleven years ago)

BIG UP THE REAL DON

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 9 May 2014 15:31 (eleven years ago)

Dude sounds so much like Pinchers there, which I don't think I've ever thought about Vegas before

rob, Friday, 9 May 2014 20:25 (eleven years ago)

seven years pass...

Okuda Hiroko: The Casio Employee Behind the “Sleng Teng” Riddim that Revolutionized Reggae

https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-topics/g02027/

stirmonster, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 02:36 (three years ago)

Love that story.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 03:21 (three years ago)

it's not a fucking Eddie Cochran riff, old ILM was so dumb

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 03:32 (three years ago)

god forbid a woman (who was a lifelong reggae fan) would have come up with that on her own

bad milk blood robot (sleeve), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 03:33 (three years ago)

What a cool story!

paolo, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 08:51 (three years ago)

the Eddie Cochran thing has been part of the Sleng Teng narrative for as long as i can recall, but i'm happy to find out it is nonsense as I couldn't ever hear it in there.

stirmonster, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 14:59 (three years ago)

thanks for sharing!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 2 February 2022 15:00 (three years ago)

I remember reading about Hiroko and Sleng Teng over a decade ago, but I was super into that era of dancehall then so maybe it was a really obscure piece. I vaguely recall it mentioning that there is a Bowie song that is a better match than the Cochran

rob, Wednesday, 2 February 2022 15:01 (three years ago)

^"Hang On To Yourself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_Hko8LRdyo

willem, Thursday, 3 February 2022 13:00 (three years ago)

Should've imbedded with a time mark: go to 6:30

willem, Thursday, 3 February 2022 13:00 (three years ago)

yes! that's it exactly willem, thank you

rob, Thursday, 3 February 2022 13:48 (three years ago)

that said, it's amazing to learn she was so into reggae, what a wonderful story

rob, Thursday, 3 February 2022 13:49 (three years ago)


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