TS: Raymond Scott vs Oskar Sala

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proto rephlex mind music from a million aeons ago - which way you swing???

bob snoom (vestibule), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oskar Sala. Tone of the Mixturtrautonium is incredible. (plus, I disagree w/that "proto rephlex" thing, there)

See also records made on Soviet-era ANS synthesiser.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I was just listening to Sala's 'My Fascinating Instrument' this weekend and wondering why I don't more often. I need to get some of those other Sala records, I love that sound.

They're both fantastic and you can't compare them (though some of the timbres are definitely similar). I'm still waiting on Basta's promised 2 CD of Scott's Electronium music.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

actually now that I'm reading up there are quite a few parallels aren't there? instrument designers financing their wilder compositions with extensive commercial film & ad work.

now that I'm listening to Sala again I'm really loving the microtonal control of his melodies, the intervals just really leap out at you & the chords & drones backing them, they're deep. Sala's melodic sense is much more 19th/20th century romantic classical/impressionist than Scott's catchy pop jazz metrics.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think I like Scott more in theory but Sala is something that I actually listen to more.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

any of you guys know offhand if any of sala's records might be available domestically (US) anywhere? google yields nothing. I love the early scott stuff so this sounds particularly intriguing.

B'angelo, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

I believe "My Fascinating Instrument" was on Fax and is OOP now. I only have mp3s of that. There might be some of his stuff on that Ohm box though.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

amazon.co.uk still has the two later Sala cd's in print, they take american credit cards. I just ordered them both.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with B'ngelo. Never heard of Sala, but am a huge fan of Scott, both of the earlier jazzy stuff and the latter electronic/ad music. Thanks for the lead!

peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, in my experience though the "ships in four to six weeks" typically translates to "backorder eternity".

xpost

b'angelo, Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

it's true

but I think the record's still in print, you can buy it directly from the label: http://www.erdenklang.de/cdinfo1_en.asp?bestnr=70962.

milton parker (Jon L), Tuesday, 6 December 2005 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

sala by a nosetrautonium.

el sabor de gene (yournullfame), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

The Dutch Popular Electronics boxset (Dick Raaijmakers, Tom Dissevelt, etc) fits in here as well. It kind of spans the space between the moody, ambient Sala type stuff and the almost goofy space age sounds of Raymond Scott (without Scott's commercial angle).

walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

so this is the only Sala thread

Milton Parker, Saturday, 5 April 2008 22:36 (seventeen years ago)

TS: "Dinner Music For A Pack of Hungry Cannibals" vs. "Speech of the Dead Christ from the Universe Saying There Is No God"

Milton Parker, Saturday, 5 April 2008 22:42 (seventeen years ago)

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrb5w9hsSzA

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2013 18:50 (twelve years ago)

that's 1961, so right after Stockhausen's 'Cartridge Music' & years before Stockhausen's 'Mixtur' and all the other guys writing extensive program notes about 'live electronic music' and the vital need to begin exploring the potentials for improvisation in the new medium, and this guy's just over here in the corner 30 years into his career being completely taken for granted

Sala is completely and shockingly overlooked

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2013 18:56 (twelve years ago)

1941 -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ4wGucalpc

1987 video of him playing a similar model of the MixturTrautonium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zHaQPyG7u4

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:01 (twelve years ago)

As the back of the record says "If anyone cares, this record has a dynamic range of 51 dB. Its lowest frequency is 15.4 cycles per second, its highest fundamental 3951 cps, the highest harmonis or overtone 15806 cps. It can blow out speakers, traumatize cats and arouse the landlord."

A few years before Metal Machine Music, that one.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:07 (twelve years ago)

I like it but I would've LOVED it more if I heard it at the ballet.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:08 (twelve years ago)

Only the Gassmann side was written for ballet; his side is good as well but a lot more traditionally romantic. Underneath all the delays & ringmod & microtonal riffing you can still hear all these notes grounded Sala's romantic roots, but otherwise, this is just Conrad Schnitzler territory.

I can see why he didn't quite fit in as radical enough in the emerging Cage/Stockhausen context for live electronics; in 1930 he was having pieces written for him by Hindemith, and his playing style built on the same context that presented the Theremin & Ondes Martenot as a classical/romantic instrument, but already by the 50's, this record, he's obviously already in completely abstract territory. Most of the historical recordings of his playing from the 40's/50's are all of the classical pieces -- this 'Five Improvisations' is the earliest recorded example of his solo abstract style, which I imagine he'd already been doing for decades but even a document of this in 1961 is still well in advance of what contemporaries were managing in real time

been working on a lecture on pre-1965 live performance electronic music instruments, and these youtubes were not online last time I went on a Sala run and they are killing me

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:19 (twelve years ago)

100% synthetic birds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XER-YAkOiBs

Milton Parker, Friday, 15 February 2013 19:36 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

so who knew that while Moog was doing initial research & developing his concepts for the modular, he was commissioned by this maverick composer Max Brand to build a working copy of the Mixtur Trautonium for him from scratch?

Trautonium does not come up as much as it should, but between Moog starting out building theremins, doing spec work for Raymond Scott & getting a demo from Scott himself of this thing he'd built called a sequencer, and getting copies of the schematics of the Trautonium as well as financial carte blanche to design a working copy... not to lessen Moog's accomplishments in the slightest, it took an incredibly clued in engineer to have a series of world class geniuses for his clients as a young man, and stitch together the best of all those designs... why hasn't this come up in a single documentary I've seen? why are these things footnotes?

http://moogfoundation.org/from-the-archives-moogtonium-discovered/

Milton Parker, Monday, 6 June 2016 22:53 (nine years ago)

three years pass...

https://www.whosampled.com/sample/640062/Lizzo-Missy-Elliott-Tempo-Raymond-Scott-Nescafe/

Milton Parker, Friday, 26 July 2019 22:02 (six years ago)


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