bad boy records - C or D

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this is my first post here but i think bad boy and the flossy era gets a raw deal from hip hop fans
for instance - mase represented good times, no one wants to hear doom and gloom from wu tang or rawkus or whoever all the time
party raps are what hip hop was based on
bragging about what you have, dissing other people for not having it, showing off how much money you make and ignoring anyone who doesnt make money, thats what hip hop has always been about
its not about making outfits out of what you have, its about buying expensive suits and jewellry - whats more hip hop than showing off what wealth you have?
so what if mase wasnt representing the common man, that couldnt last forever. people wanted to see something aspirational, something brighter, something that looked more glamorous, that didnt remind them of hard times and deprived surroundings. fuck what tribe used to say in vibe magazine that it was morally repulsive or whatever, they were just jealous they had less money than diddy or that he was making more money by doing what he was doing than they were by 'staying real' or whatever they thought they were doing back then
everyone who says that hip hop stopped sounding hard or isnt funky and is all glossy and lost its attitude, well all music has to change, a lot of people just like the old style cos they think hip hop has to mean ghetto and low budget - puffy was showing that hip hop could be upscale and flashy too, it didnt have to mean dingy
so what if it has singers on the hooks and the snares were all thin and weedy - nobody wants to hear hard crashing drums or rapping for a whole song - singers break up the monotony and let you sing along for once, its easier for most people to sing along rather than rap along, nothing wrong with that
and whoever says mase and that era of rap through to today has been about simpler rhymes and simpler flows, not everyone wants to hear a rapper spit rhymes that are hard to follow, i mean, mase made it easy for people to get into it, he was making easy to understand music, he took it back to the early 80s - im not saying it was exactly the same, i mean melle mel and them used a lot more words and were a bit denser with the flows, but mase took it back to simpler times
hip hop was getting too moody in the mid 90s, new york was getting too insular and dark and grimy, and then you had rappers getting too complex with their rhymes and forgetting people had to actually listen to that stuff, the fun was going away, and thats why new york was losing - cos it was getting too inward and gritty
what bad boy did is they remembered the good time spirit of hip hop, that it was about the parties, about good times, having fun, so they brought it back
puffy changed the meaning of hip hop
he switched it from being a 'reflection' of the streets to being what 'the streets' could aspire to
he switched the music from being gritty and raw etc to being glossy and classy
thats what hip hop needed at the time
it was time for a change
people were tired of hearing war stories and all that stuff, they wanted something to escape all that for once

okokokok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

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Can't stop, won't stop but i'm done tuckered out after my last lot of Bad Boy defending and have to go to work soon.

ELLI$, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah yeah, ahaha, from the d-to-the-a-to-the-d-d-y
Know you’d rather see me die than to see me fly
I call all the shots
Rip all the spots, rock all the rocks
Cop all the drops, I know you thinkin now’s
When all the ballin stops, nigga never
Home gotta call me on the yacht
Ten years from now we’ll still be on top
Yo, I thought I told you that we won’t stop
Now whatcha gonna do when it’s cool
Bag a money much longer than yours
And a team much stronger than yours, violate me
This’ll be your day, we don’t play
Mess around be d.o.a., be on your way
Cause it ain’t enough time here, ain’t enough lime here
For you to shine here, deal with many women
But treat dimes fair, and i’m
Bigger than the city lights down in times square
Yeah, yeah yeah

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

dud, but i'm sure i'll soon find out i'm wrong

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

dumdum,

This’ll be your day, we don’t play
Mess around be d.o.a., be on your way

-puff daddy

jmeister (jmeister), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

oh my god, i listened to no way out and harlem world (mases debut) after remembering the 'golden' (ahem) bad boy era and what the fuck are ellis and deej talking about? these albums suck monkey balls. good singles of course (24 hours to live is brilliant, victory is the hotness) but as albums, these things are THE SUCK. ugh. and diddy really should never have started rapping. jada and sheek should have dropped the fridge on diddys mouth in 95.

okoko, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

BAD BOY RECORDS POXV

Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah its very weird how this argument is still happening.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

this is my first post here

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

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hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

He's certainly not the only one arguing though.

Also, the MIA street team message board should think twice before talking shit about a few guys sticking up for Ma$e.

deej.. (deej..), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

(soz deej that wsnt in reply to u, it ws a statement of general incredulity. so anyway are we talking to clinton or okokoko now?)

hold tight the private caller (mwah), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

what is this, a kindergarten lunch table? please talk to me guys! please! i have no virtual-friends in cyber space! please let me join your gang!

okok, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

is this a duff paddy thread?

dumdum, Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

bad boy records' old office is now the home of me and ZR's friend's documentary short company - theyve had real trouble prying the bad boy placards off of everything. i say WHY BOTHER???

petesmith (plsmith), Wednesday, 7 December 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

write a longer book next time..

'glossy.. what hip hop needed at the time' no

bad boy = 'classy' no

'hip hop stopped sounding hard or isnt funky and is all glossy and lost its attitude, well all music has to change' i feel you on this one

Robin Samples (Robin Samples), Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:40 (twenty years ago)

was that Junior Mafia track Get Money on Bad Boy? shit was nice.

mucho, Thursday, 8 December 2005 07:42 (twenty years ago)


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