Tips for college radio DJing

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My application was just accepted for a 2.5 hour slot as DJ on our local college radio station. It's freeform, but I've never done radio (or made playlists, really) before ever, so I thought I'd ask you, the experts, to rip this preliminary list to shreds. What do you think? What should stay? Go? Any tips on radio DJing (transitions, what to play/not to play, etc.)? Any help much appreciated.

Brian Eno – The Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch
Devendra Barnhart – Tit Smoking in the Temple of Artisan Mimicry
New Order – Crystal
‘Lectric Workers – The Garden
The Who – Girl’s Eyes
Visitor From Another Meaning – Hills of Honolulu
Plant Life – Appreciate
Plastalina Mosh – Barretta 1989
Bunny Berigan – I Can’t Get Started
The Dead Texan – A Chronicle of Early Failures Pt Two
Paco de Lucia – La Nina de Puerta Oscura
Stereo Total – Disc Jockey
The Vines – TV Pro
Nina Simone – I Put a Spell On You
New Order – Age of Consent
I.M.S. Dancing Therapy
Royksopp – What Else Is There (The Thin White Duke Edit)
Henryk Debich – Na Opak
Captain Comatose - $100 (version française)
Razorlight - Golden Touch
Martha & The Muffins - Echo Beach
Daedelus - I Sent Off Il Sus Percoll (Jogger Remix)
The Diodes - Tired of Waking Up Tired
From Bubblegum to Sky - Hello Hello Hi
The Aislers Set - Hey Lover
Kinks - Picture Book
Zongamin - Tunnel Music
Sparks - Girl From Germany
Ah Ha - The Living Daylights
Vitalic - Poney Part I
Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy
T. Rex - Bang A Gong Get It On
Boom Bip - The Move
Gay Cat Park - I'm a Vocoder
The Daktaris - Eltsuhg Ibal Lasiti
The Auteurs - Show Girl
Clap Your Hands and Say Yeah - Over and Over Again (Lost and Found)
The Undertones - Get Over You
DeVotchKa - Dearly Departed
Stevie Wonder - Uptight
Our Daughter's Wedding - Lawnchairs

Harrison Fjord (Harrison Fjord), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

you forgot to slot in some dead air!

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

I can't really comment on your playlist cause I don't know most of that stuff. I think that segues sound a lot better when there's some continuity to the tempo...please DO NOT play Joni Mitchell and drum & bass back to back, as I've heard some DJs do. And always remember to double-check that the mic is off when you're done announcing. Have a blast! Remember, no one's listening at 4:30 AM anyway (not to discourage you, just have some fun).

viborgu, Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, blount and viborgu - and you're right, the slot is from 4-6:30 a.m. (Still, I'm looking forward to it.)

Harrison Fjord (Harrison Fjord), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

If I were a college radio DJ, I think half the fun would just be picking stuff to play on the fly.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

MONO GENRE OR NOTHING AT ALL

u saved me (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Wear your headphones.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

try and get fuck out of your vocab

kephm (kephm), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

You can't go wrong with 'Hey Lover'.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 15 December 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

writing out a playlist can be a good idea for your first couple shows, especially if yr not comfortable with the equipment yet. but once you get used to running the board, you should show up with nothing in mind except for maybe your first couple songs and a couple other things you might want to play later. half the fun is obsessing over what to play next when you have only 30 seconds to cue it up, and then having the transition work perfectly. (or fall completely flat, at which point you just move on to the next one.)

after a while, i found a drink or two before (or during) my show always helped the cause.

rajeev (rajeev), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't know where you're DJing, but that's an extremely rock/pop-heavy set. And the best freeform stretches connections and broadens horizons. There's almost never a reason to play New Order, not because there's anything wrong with New Order, but because freeform radio at its best isn't just a collection of the DJ's favorite songs. Try to look for things you haven't heard before, and areas where your collection is really strong and has a lot of depth, then go for that.
Oh, and Our Daughter's Wedding— From the YSI thread? Heh.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

Don't listen to js.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:13 (twenty years ago)

jaymc OTM

National Roffle Association (Paul in Santa Cruz), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:18 (twenty years ago)

This is only coming from a listener's POV, never having djed.

Try to strike a balance between professionalism and college dudeness. I hate it when college djs take the not-trying thing too far and do nothing but say "uh" and "yeah" breathe heavily into the microphone. On the other hand, don't try to sound like a "pro" DJ cause you'll just sound like an ass "AllRIIIIIGHT that was the SHINNNNNNNNS off their new album!"

Also, don't bring your "friends" on the show unless they also know a thing or two about radio. And ESPECIALLY don't have them in the studio off mic and then talk to them on air so that we can only hear you and not your friend.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

i am a freeform dj for wobc (oberlin). if you're doing a freeform show, i suggest not playing songs per se but turning them into new songs by mixing them on the fly and using whatever audio toys you have or can scrounge up. also, with your timeslot, you can feel safe to go ahead and ignore fcc rules.

one thing i think is important is not using your show to showcase your taste (good or bad) in artists or genres. those freeform shows are indistinguishable from pop shows. instead, develop an aesthetic instead.

if you aren't excited and surprised by what you are doing, reconsider it.

talk should be applied minimally and patterned.

freeform is the best

lf, Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

And don't make sarcastic commentary about the PSAs you play. I heard two college radio douchebags do this after a reminder to look after the senior citizens in your neighborhood.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:37 (twenty years ago)

Gay Cat Park - I'm a Vocoder

This is the most awesomely representative mid-2000's schmindie song title ever. I never want to hear it and spoil the perfect impression I already have in my head of it.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh, also please do occasional playlist rundowns, even if your station has it all on the web. A lot of people listen in the car or somewhere with no internet access.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

And it will probably be from 1983 now I've said that.

login name (fandango), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

Lean althletic segueways. Not too much jibber-jabber:

Do this:
"That was 'Sky Saw' by Brian Eno off his classic Another Green World. Y'know Phil Collins plays drums on that track. Up next is some brand new stuff by Wolf Parade, it's called "In The Frown" on WBTZ."

Not this:
"That was Mission Of Burma with "Acadamy Fight Song." I just saw their reuinion show, it was pretty good. I mean, they had the Shellac guy doing tapes, so you get what you pay for. I had a good time though. I met this girl there who said that Moby did a Mission Of Burma cover, and i didn't believe her. So I downloaded it last night, and it's a pretty solid cover of 'That's When I Reach For My Revolver.' I mean, solid for Moby. He's been pretty weak as of late. But whatever, it was pretty cool. Apparantly the label made him do a clean version too, and his favorit fan suggestion was "That's When I Reach For My Chihuahua." I meant to bring a copy of the CD to play tonight, but I left it at home. But anyway. Mission Of Burma. Good live. Go see them. If you have the chance. Up next is a new one from Airborn Audio, which is two of the guys from the late, great Antipop Consortium. I'm not sure of their names, but it's not Beans, who I just saw opening for Tortoise in between shows they were doing for Daniel Lanois. This is their first CD. And it's self-titled. And I really like this song. It's called... [fumbling]... what is it called? [fumbling] Oh yeah, "Inside The Globe." So here it is. "Inside The Globe" by Airborn Audio. And hopefully after that, my pizza will come, because I'm really hungry. Airborn Audio. On WBTZ."

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

I always though Spacemen 3's "Suicide" would make a killer "opener" for a radio show.

vartman (novaheat), Thursday, 15 December 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

I've done a lot of radio, most of it freeform or mostly freeform.

Some things to think about:

Record your show. Listen back to your microphone breaks to hear how you sound, and to critique your delivery. That's most important from my point of view. Also, listen to your transitions between songs. Think about whether you like them or not. May I ask, are you just gonna stick this in as an MP3 playlist or are you actually mixing sources? Does your station have a library that you can play stuff from when insomniacs call you up and request stuff?

Also, just play what you like. That's what freeforem is about. Although if there are a lot of other DJ's playing the same things as on your playlist (which I like, BTW) you might want to devote a whole show to playing stuff you've never heard.

sleeve (sleeve), Thursday, 15 December 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

That Daktari's track is the shirt. Did you ever notice that the title is "It is all a big hustle" backwards (referring to their initial put-on of being a real Nigerian band).

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Daktaris. Apostrophe apocalypse, as my old English professor would say.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

Berman and Weingarten OTM re: talking too fucking much. Shut the hell up. Pre-announce the next track, and try to back announce every three or four (obviously exceptions can be made, but chunking is really handy for the listener).
Much like record reviews, no one gives a shit about you. They do, however, care about the music.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 15 December 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

xpost: The Daktari's aren't Nigerian? haha I was fooled. What's the story on that?

Mr. Silverback (Mr. Silverback), Thursday, 15 December 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

1. Don't plot things out so much. Plan a couple of long songs- a 10 minute song and a few 5 minute songs, to have ready if you get flustered by the equipment or want to make a run to the library. But when you've got two songs queued up, try dropping in a track you just found out about or just occured to you. Work on making your show sponatious, and let it expand your taste.

2. Yep, record the show. You really want to get a sense of how you sound- both your voice and your flow.

3. Yep, make the sets 3 to 5 tracks and let the listeners know what you played without going on to long. Find old John Peel recordings- He tell the next track, plays two more, then tells you the last three tracks and a factoid about the most obscure of them. Repeat. Free form radio listeners really what to know what they're hearing, and really want to hear something they know nothing about.

bendy (bendy), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

You should turns tracks off before they finish and then say, "I don't like this after all."

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 15 December 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Record your show. Listen back to your microphone breaks to hear how you sound, and to critique your delivery. That's most important from my point of view.

OTM. You'll be amazed at how doing this once every month or two even will dramatically improve yr presentation. Other than that, have fun. Remember that the station is doing you as much a service by giving you airtime as you're doing the station a service by filling said airtime.
Unless you have something important to say, try to keep your in-between song banter to 45 seconds or less. If people are tuning in between 4 and 6:30 a.m. (and probably that last hour will get a healthy amount of early-risers), they're tuning in for the music, not because they want to join your cult of personality.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

When someone calls up and ask you to play some Scorpions in the middle of your industrial/noise/IDM set, take the damn Scorpions record out and play it backwards, real slow. Fulfilling requests is good for building a loyal listener base.

Josh Witkowski (braineater), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Don't forget to have some 10-15 minutes tracks on hand for cigarette/bathroom breaks.

Also if you can find some good hour long tracks==nap time!

Matt B. (Matt B.), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

In all the years I DJed I never plotted out shows beforehand. Yugh. YMMV but personally I say with the others -- ease back! And play things at the station you've never heard before, that way you end up hearing more stuff you would have otherwise.

Also, review this if you have not done so already:

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail120.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost: The Daktari's aren't Nigerian? haha I was fooled. What's the story on that?

They were basically an earlier incarnation of Antibalas, which is a bunch of New York guys -- one or two of whom may originally be from Nigeria. A lot of them were also on other Desco (now defunct) releases and I think a lot of that stuff got picked up/switched over to Daptone.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

writing out a playlist can be a good idea for your first couple shows, especially if yr not comfortable with the equipment yet. but once you get used to running the board, you should show up with nothing in mind except for maybe your first couple songs and a couple other things you might want to play later.

otm. it can be comforting at first, but after a while a pre-written playlist will stress you out.

i did a lot of slots in the 12 - 6am timeframe, and while it's true that you probably won't have many listeners you've also got a significant amount of responsibility in that you're going to be the only person at the station. show up on time to relieve the previous dj, and always wait around for the next one or his/her sub to show up no matter how late it is and no matter how tired you are and no matter how many finals you've got later that day. also, do some training with a senior staff person on emergency situations. it probably won't happen, but i found it increased my general confidence to know that if something went on the fritz i'd know what to do.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 15 December 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I'm a Vocoder is from 1983...or 82, can't remember.

I am a vocoder, a synthetic voice...

Put a record on a turntable, then stick a CD player on top of that, making the record skip at specific moments. Mix music in and out of that. It's called AUDIO COLLAGE and is a staple of college radio. If the DJ after you doesn't show up, turn everything off or put on a long compilation or mix CD. Don't make a record skip on purpose then go home.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

isn't turning the station off a HUGE NO-NO?

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

we used to do it all the time.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

i got in trouble for it once, so.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 15 December 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

People are always listening, but at 4 in the morning you shouldn't be afraid to play the most freaked-out shit you can find. Anyone awake is going to have pretty open ears. Also, play any new stuff that's been sent to the station and fits with your show.

Lauren, are/were you on WMBR by any chance?

superultramega (superultramarinated), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

i dj for WPRB. even though its a bit different from a freeform station, djing is djing. here is some advice to sound professional without sounding "professional":

1. find out what your station's rules are regarding obscenity. this is important because your songs might have swears in them or somehow violate FCC rules. some stations are so lax that it leaves me dumbstruck, but at WPRB we are very strict about what can be played and when.

2. decide on how long you want your sets to be. short sets are usually 3-4 songs, longer ones are 4-6.

3. don't forget to read your playlist back at the break. i usually start from the most recently played song to the first, but some folks like to do it the other way around. its up to you.

4. always get to the station 30 minutes to 1 hour before your scheduled to go on, so that you will have ample time to pull records, check the logs for any ids/commericals you may have to do; in general, use this time to get prepared.

5. don't play a band's station id unless you are playing the band doing the id right after you play their station id.

6. if there are friends or visitors in the studio, keep them quiet during your breaks. ask them to keep quiet before you go on mic. nothing sounds lamer than chairs squeaking or people having extraneous conversations in the background while the dj is talking. i like i give my friends a one minute warning before going on-air.

7. do not use radio/station jargon like "psa", "new emph", etc on the air. no one listening has any clue as to what you're talking about.

8. dont mention your classes or school on the air. your station may be part of the university, but not all listeners are students and they couldn't care less about your schoolwork.

9. avoid dead air. don't say um. never apologize for anything on-air.

10. always record your show. this will help you only become a better dj.

as for your playlist, play whatever you want, freeform be damned!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Don't play an entire Dismemberment Plan album. Just don't. You suck WTUL.

adam (adam), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

adam, due to some new stupid regulation, stations are no longer allowed to play more than 3 cuts from an album.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

What the huh?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

who yelled at you for turning off the station, Lauren? Was it me?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

yup, this is to prevent people from copying records...

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

nope, i was wobc (with selzer, in fact, which is why his advice to turn off the station surprised me).

xpost - ha! no, it wasn't you. i can't remember now who it was, but someone who i otherwise had no dealings with left me an all-caps note about it. the incident had occurred at 6am during winter term when no one showed up and no subs could be found. it was obvious who did it, because i was the last person who signed the log. in future, when that happened i would push the levels up and put the battalion of saints cd on repeat. i'm a pro, me.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Maria: No, that's only true if the radio is streaming over the internet.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

yes, im aware its for streaming stations, which is like, 95% of radio these days.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

at WMUC where Pete and Mike O. and I all did time, turning off the station happened, on average, once every four hours. that place was awesome. man, I wanna DJ again.

that said, here's my tip: DON'T TAKE ANY EXECUTIVE STAFF POSITIONS OTHER THAN PROGRAM MANAGER BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY FUN ONE. Well, music director's all right because industry plankton have to kiss your undergraduate geeky wuss ass, which is tragicomic for a whole host of reasons. However, under no circumstances should you become General Manager because it's at that exact point that you realize - you know all those things you like about your station? They're precisely why it's unmanageable! And soon you want to die.

ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Maria, you can play whatever the hell you want in regard to album cuts. Our commercial classic rock station plays an entire album every night.
It's usually something that no one would ever want to duplicate, like Eddie Money's No Control, but we can damn still play the whole thing.

Maybe it's a regulation at your radio station, but the FCC hasn't said anything about it.

5. don't play a band's station id unless you are playing the band doing the id right after you play their station id.

I don't get this one either.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

program director never sounded like fun, aside from putting the schedule together. having to deal with all those last-minute sub requests? when dj's fail to show? ugh. count me out.

if i worked at a radio station i think the publicity & promotions gig would be the best.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Thursday, 15 December 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Also, it helps not to get really drunk before your show and audibly drop cds on the floor of the studio while the mics are open, then curse to yourself and you dig around under the console for it. But getting kinda drunk and chugging mountain dew can be fun, just as long as you don't start sobering up at 5am and the 6am guy is late.

The playlist you posted is a good start, but don't lash yourself to it. Pull those records, but after a few songs in, you'll get ideas for what you'll want to play next.

Learn to program for vibe & flow. Learn to mix and transition between songs.

I was a DJ at WCBN in Ann Arbor, a freeform station, and some of the djs thought it the height of hilarity to do as much wacky head-yanking as possible. Others played 3 hours of jam bands.

and New Order is fine anytime.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Get the phone number of the person after you. unexpected 5+ hour overnight sessions are no fun at all.

superultramega (superultramarinated), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

second the recommendation to show up 30 mins. early. if you get there the minute you're supposed to go on, a) it sucks for the person you're replacing, who's sweating how many more songs they have to pick out, and b) you end up all frazzled trying to get yourself situated in 3- to 5-minute increments because all your songs keep ending when you're trying to fill out the log, etc etc.

(does anyone else have anxiety dreams about dead air? I've long gotten over my "it's midterms and you never went to class" type dreams but for some reason "you're still rummaging the album stacks and the last song ended five minutes ago" is still in rotation ... )

"program director never sounded like fun"

might be differences in terminology here, at the station I worked at (KCOU at university of missouri) the program director was the head of the music directors, who had final say on what went into and out of rotation (we weren't 100% freeform, more like 75%). the nuts and bolts of scheduling and subbing was a different job, operations director I think.

Renard, Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Well, PDs at my station did all the scheduling, but I always thought it was fun. I had a great time as PD - I certainly had a hell of a lot more influence over the actual on-air character of the station than I did as GM. We were 100% freeform, but you got to choose who was on when, sort of DJ the entire station on a more macro level. Plus interviewing all the prospective new DJs was a guaranteed awesome night.

ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 15 December 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Salmon: Your show was pretty good too, but it wasn't freeform. You stuck pretty well to a loud punk/hardcore/some metal program. Which I liked usually (no one likes everything). And I certainly preferred it to a lot of the crap I hear on 'CBN now (either from kids who just want to play Barenaked Ladies, Reel Big Fish and Goldfinger sets and then bitch to RIAA that "it's, like, freeform man. I can play what I want," when people like me complain, or the meandering Joanna Newsome and twee lofi fake folk bullshit for hours at a time, intersperssed with meandering discussions of their feelings and "you know, stuff..." on air. SHUT THE FUCK UP, DJ!).
And I already own all the damn New Order that I need. I like listening to freeform to hear new things or hear old things in new ways. New Order's just not doin' it for me anymore, and I can't even tell the Blue Monday remixes apart.

js (honestengine), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

might be differences in terminology here, at the station I worked at (KCOU at university of missouri) the program director was the head of the music directors, who had final say on what went into and out of rotation (we weren't 100% freeform, more like 75%). the nuts and bolts of scheduling and subbing was a different job, operations director I think.

Chief Announcer hired and scheduled the DJs. We called the Operations Director anytime that lightening hit the transmitter.

- KCOU alum, 1992-94!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

right right! jeez I forgot my own title. I was chief announcer in 95-96 and program director in 96-97.

I figured someone would come out of the woodwork but I thought it would take more than 2 responses ....

Renard, Thursday, 15 December 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Play more music by black people.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

(does anyone else have anxiety dreams about dead air? I've long gotten over my "it's midterms and you never went to class" type dreams but for some reason "you're still rummaging the album stacks and the last song ended five minutes ago" is still in rotation ... )

ha! constantly. And it's been 10 years since I did a radio show. Sad.

pauls00, Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

same here, my last show was in like 1998

Renard, Thursday, 15 December 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Like Maria said:

don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.
don't say um.

Ian Christe (Ian Christe), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

I, too, have the DJ anxiety dream, regularly -- and I haven't had a radio gig since the late '80s. I think the dead air nightmare is common to everyone I've known who has been a DJ.

Daniel Peterson (polkaholic), Thursday, 15 December 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

5. don't play a band's station id unless you are playing the band doing the id right after you play their station id.

Damn, I think I break this rule every week.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Thursday, 15 December 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

we only had like a dozen band ids, so we always broke that rule. I had David Cross on tape doing an ID, but I got so pissed off at the exec staff of the station(multiply college radio asshole with indie fuxor asshole and that's a lot of asshole squared), so I never made a cart or computer bit of it.

I did play plenty of loud music, but I would have plenty of longer sets of dreampop/shoegazer/dark americana/etc

Tho i've heard that my station has gone even more to shit since after I left, so there's that.

Also, if your radio station is on a dry campus, hide your bottles. one of my friends had the habit of chucking his empty booze containers into the drop ceiling and behind the wall.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 15 December 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

Salmon: It has gone even further downhill, but since the bearded one has finally graduated, there are hopes that the cadre will disintigrate and there might be a renaissance...

js (honestengine), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:22 (twenty years ago)

if your radio station is on a dry campus

wwwwhat is a dry campus?

http://www.alamoflag.com/alamoflag/Images/SportFlags/ncaa/printed_flags/tulane_full.jpg

adam (adam), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:54 (twenty years ago)

Though drunk DJs would really explain the Dismemberment Plan and the extremely long Friday night "electronic" show that I think was just the same endless trance song played every week.

adam (adam), Friday, 16 December 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

Be Prepaired-Always pull at least an extra hour of music.
You go in to your show thinking that you're all set with the written out playlist... You spin a few tracks then you think I can't play x after y, this segueways gonna suck...I really don't want to play this because I just heard the last DJ play it on my way here...You forgot some CD's...A band thats playing down the road this week is having all their friends call and request their songs till you play one...The hottie from your psych class calls and wants to hear ween before they go out...All of the Cd players suddenly stop working and you haven't pulled out any vinyl...

Don't be intimidated by the microphone. Lots of new DJ's freeze when they get that thing stick near their face or start to sound like the teacher in Peanuts Cartoons (blahblahblahBLAH blah),try to talk like your having a fun conversation with friends (sans obsenities)and keep your voice as clear as possible.

And for all you jocks on the Eastern side of the US doing top of the hour live station IDs

SAY "DOUBLE-U" NOT "DUBYA"

brg30 (brg30), Friday, 16 December 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

Whenever you're talking on the air, you're probably not as interesting as you think you are. Nevertheless, lots of people at the local station do this. Airbreaks between every song, long pointless stories, inside jokes - all of these are terrible to someon listening at home.

The station I DJed at is pretty free-form, in that you can play whatever you want and don't really have to stick to any themes. Often you'd hear the same stuff all the time, over and over. It seemed like the people who had shows often aren't into music as much as they are into having a radio show. There was a lot of repetion and not a lot of interesting stuff - lots of "this is what I heard on my local 'alternative' station a few years ago when I was in high school".

I'm not saying I was all that good at it, but I'd try to roughly plan out an hour or so, often on a particular genre that I felt wasn't represented that well on other shows. I'd leave the other hour for spur-of-the-moment stuff, things from the new bin, and things I was interested in hearing but hadn't heard before.

joygoat (joygoat), Friday, 16 December 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

just to catch up on a couple of things...

band station id's: the reasoning behind this is obvious. why play a specific band id then a song by a completely different band? im sure that somehow you could argue its false advertising but deep down, we just know you're screwing with the listener. and thats never cool.

three song plays: pleasant plains, as long as your classic rock station isnt simultaneously streaming over the internet, sure, they can play as many songs as they want. the ruling is relatively new and not well known -- we only heard about it a couple months ago. i used to throw on compilation records if i needed a break during marathon shows [ie, where i covered for 3+ hours], now im just gonna have to be more clever about it.

drinking: if you feel like getting yourself fined and putting the station in trouble, go ahead. but that just seems really irresponsible and selfish. isnt half the fun of being on the air the rush you get from knowing its happening live? thats why i cant latch onto podcasts. being drunk on the air would dull that rush for me, plus there's the chance that id unexpectedly drop a swear or say something mean about someone on the air.

talking: i second keeping the long pointless stories off the air. unless you're doing talk radio, just read through the playlist, do your commericals and public service announcement and get back to the music.

picking out music: i have a method for this that helps eliminate a lot of anxiety over not knowing what to play yet preserve the spontaneity that a radio show should have. i feel overwhelmed when i look at 40-50 records at once, so i break my records down into groups of six [1 group per 30 minutes on the air]. rather than deal with a huge amount of records, im dealing with 6-8 and then just try to figure out what i want to play from that.

each group has my show requirements [ie, new stuff, local musc, etc.] so i can get them done in an efficient manner. also, i dont wind up blowing my load by playing all the good stuff at the beginning of a show or forget to play a bunch of things. considering that i take a train ride that's nearly two hours to do my show, i dont get a lot of time to hang out with the collection in the way student djs can, a little advance planning makes the time worthwhile.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

DON'T ever call out one of your professors on air...i did this back in school days and he heard it and failed me for the semester. its not good to get smashed on vodka and kool aid and call your professors fat bald fucks on air. urgh.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

we used to have a show on WPRB called "the professor show"!

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

lets see, i did a morning show for a semester and it was banned from being broadcast in the library and cafeteria. the school paper called my show the howard stern of college radio...my morning show was canned for the next semester. next sememster i did the 12-2am alternative show...it wasn't freeform but i made it freeform...that lasted one sememster too. third semester i called the professor a bald fuck...that was the end of Johnny Bravo as we knew it.

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 16 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

band station id's: the reasoning behind this is obvious. why play a specific band id then a song by a completely different band? im sure that somehow you could argue its false advertising but deep down, we just know you're screwing with the listener. and thats never cool.

Wrong. That's like saying that running a LeBron James "I Love This Game on TNT!" i.d. during a Lakers/Heat game would be unethical.

three song plays: pleasant plains, as long as your classic rock station isnt simultaneously streaming over the internet, sure, they can play as many songs as they want. the ruling is relatively new and not well known -- we only heard about it a couple months ago. i used to throw on compilation records if i needed a break during marathon shows [ie, where i covered for 3+ hours], now im just gonna have to be more clever about it.

Post a copy of that ruling on here, if you'd like. That would be news to the station PD, who's so meticulous that he excised all the curse words from the songs and won't play Bob Dylan songs because they're published by someone outside of ASCAP/BMI.

Otherwise, it's gonna be Minute by Minute by the Doobie Bros tonight at eleven.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 16 December 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

you forgot to mention that there's no santa claus, dude. why you getting so salty?

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

Ghost In the Machine was last night's.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Wrong. That's like saying that running a LeBron James "I Love This Game on TNT!" i.d. during a Lakers/Heat game would be unethical.

what kind of defense is this? you're making me laugh over here, pal.

if your station wants to run any old band id they want, good for them. but most people run band id's that match the upcoming song.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

"most people"

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 16 December 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

maria, I have never encountered that ID concept on any of the four stations I did shows at. I can see your reasoning, but I've never heard it happen like that on the air (especially at more freeform stations). I play band ID's followed by other music all the time. Well, at least since 1998. The station before that just had standard voice ID.

Two hour commute! That is some dedication.

sleeve (sleeve), Friday, 16 December 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

oh and every opportunity you get, play Zumpano "temptation summary", gets you laid....

slow jamz and white guy indie acoustic shit (Chris V), Friday, 16 December 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Two hour commute! That is some dedication.

if i owned a car, its only 45 minutes away.

maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Saturday, 17 December 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

my controls professor was a tenured hayseed who'd listen to my station in his office and donate to the weekend americana shows. he once complimented me on how good my show was(i did a tuesday afternoon shift) in front of the entire class, which was nice. He was a pretty good guy. Wore denim and sandals a lot.

lets see, i did a morning show for a semester and it was banned from being broadcast in the library and cafeteria. the school paper called my show the howard stern of college radio...my morning show was canned for the next semester. next sememster i did the 12-2am alternative show...it wasn't freeform but i made it freeform...that lasted one sememster too. third semester i called the professor a bald fuck...that was the end of Johnny Bravo as we knew it.

awesome.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

my worst was a 60 minute commute, since it was between terms, the dorms were closed, and i had to drive back from the folks' house.

that was the term i found i couldn't sleep in my car too well. things have since changed.

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:19 (twenty years ago)

also, get involved in the music dept, esp with the folks who handle the mail and all the new music coming in. a GREAT way to find out about a lot of stuff, plus get freebies, dupes, etc.

also, it's helpful to have a hand in booking a local performance space. I got more than a few shows together by emailing some bands who'd sent stuff, then having them open for locals.

if you really want to maximize things, have a show, booking control, and a byline in the local rag. You can book a fave band, interview them for later(or live) broadcast, then write up a preview bit from the tape for cash. hooray!

kingfish holiday travesty (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

that said, here's my tip: DON'T TAKE ANY EXECUTIVE STAFF POSITIONS OTHER THAN PROGRAM MANAGER BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY FUN ONE. Well, music director's all right because industry plankton have to kiss your undergraduate geeky wuss ass, which is tragicomic for a whole host of reasons. However, under no circumstances should you become General Manager because it's at that exact point that you realize - you know all those things you like about your station? They're precisely why it's unmanageable! And soon you want to die.

-- ZR (teenagequie...), December 15th, 2005.

OMG this is exactly what happened to me!

DJ to Program Director to General Manager to Nervous Breakdown....

jsoulja (jsoulja), Saturday, 17 December 2005 09:49 (twenty years ago)

All the technical and style advice on this thread is pretty spot-on, so I'm posting my aesthetic rule.

You cannot go wrong playing any of the following bands on college radio, ever:

Jesus Lizard
Spacemen 3
Os Mutantes
The Smiths
Bad Brains
My Bloody Valentine
something laying around the station you've never heard (I agree with posts upthread)

jsoulja (jsoulja), Saturday, 17 December 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

One of my fave late-night sets from college DJing days:

Led Zeppelin, "In My Time of Dying"
John Coltrane, "Greensleeves"
Clay Allison (Opal), "Fell From the Sun"

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Saturday, 17 December 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

retire before you're 30. the morning dj here has been on for like 15 years. i hope he plans to graduate soon because his taste is horrid.

keyth (keyth), Saturday, 17 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

To clarify a little on Maria's comments ... the webcasting rules are part of the federal Copyright Act, scattered mostly in 17 U.S.C. 114 (for the lawyerly or extremely inquisitive types). It's not an FCC thing at all, but a "record piracy" thing.

17 U.S.C. 114(j)(13) defines the "sound recording complement," a/k/a maximum number of "sound recordings" that can be played by a single artist (or from a single LP/CD/CS or compilation/box set) during specified periods in webcasts that qualify for an automatic copyright license to use those recordings.

It gets pretty murky, but you're generally safe if you stick to no more than two tracks in a row by the same artist (or three in a row off the same compilation set) during a three hour period, with no further repeats of the same bands during your show. That means each DJ should be checking the playlist of the preceding DJ or two to avoid repeating artists -- but that's also a good DJ practice (in addition to a legal requirement for webcasting).

grumpy by birth, DJ by choice, attorney by training
http://murphy.blogs.com/

Grumpy, Saturday, 17 December 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

My advice is to never smoke a blunt in the hallway of your college radio station with your co-host while your show is on the air. It could get your show cancelled. Real fast.

Dan Floss (Dan Floss), Sunday, 18 December 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

double-check to make sure you're actually on the program schedule. imagine the joy i felt when i realized half-way through the school year that i wasn't on my radio station's and had just been coming in and doing a show anyway!

joseph (joseph), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

eight years pass...

damn i am blessed since college radio in the boston area is generally pretty good and i appreciate it so much but FUCK some of these djs need some lessons. this shit annoys me to no end:

-concert reports that are like 30 fucking minutes long. "band a is playing at venue x, band b at venue y, band c at venue z.........." just fucking say the concert report is on your goddman website.
-playlists that are like 45 minutes long and when you finally read off the playlist it is basically meaningless because nobody remembers what was played 45 minutes ago
-djs that are like "um.....this...was off...um...a 7-inch......um.....from.....band x.....um......um......i'm going to play...um.....a song...umm....from......their...um....first album"
-playlists that have utterly no continuity, like some gorgeous obscure disco track from 1980 followed by cloud nothings

marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:57 (eleven years ago)

that is all, otherwise i have mad respect for turning me on to a lot of good music.

marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:57 (eleven years ago)

i wasn't very good at radio DJing when i was 18. it takes practice

example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 18:58 (eleven years ago)

I'm in the Boston area, what were you listening to? Breakfast Of Champions on WMBR is the most consistent show for me. But then they have non-student DJs.

Gerald McBoing-Boing, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:02 (eleven years ago)

yea breakfast of champions is pretty professional, though i don't always care about the music they play

marcos, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 19:03 (eleven years ago)


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