bands who only became widely popular after changing styles?

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Can only think of Everything But the Girl...any others?

douglas eklund (skolle), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Joy Division.

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Ahhh yes, thks!

douglas eklund (skolle), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Athlete

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Scritti Polliti...sort of (Wood Beez)

Mr Gripper (Mr Gripper), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Genesis

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

The Shamen

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Chumbawamba.

xhuxk, Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Chili Peps made their big move when they started doing watery, limp ballads.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

I prefer their watery, limp ballads.

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Slade started off as a folk group, right?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Beethoven.

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thought they were a skinhead group of some kind?

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Status Quo.

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

"I prefer their watery, limp ballads."

No skin off my nose.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Is there a band I loathe more than the Chilli Peppers?....I can't seem to surpass that level of disgust....Oh apart from Gwen Stefani- ho only became massively popular when she dropped the other goons in No Clout and started aping Madonna / Debbie Harry / Marilyn Monroe in a hamfisted fashion.

Mr Gripper (Mr Gripper), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

Modest Mouse

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

HA HA! YOU CALLED TEHM NO CLOUT!! YOU MADE TEH FUNNEE!!!

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

no doubt was a commercial non-entity before 'hollaback girl', yes

gear (gear), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Stone Roses.

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Public Enemy?

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Not sure I follow those last two, Wandering D...

Mr Gripper (Mr Gripper), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

FLEETWOOD MAC

pink floyd

journey

david bowie -- b.i.o.n. he wasn't "widely" popular til Let's Dance


m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Scorpions.

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Stone Roses were a crap goth group before they recorded their debut album. I'd argue they didn't properly take off until "Fool's Gold" which is a second change of sound.

The first PE album doesn't have all the production tricks or political rhetoric they applied on Nation of Millions.

Now I think about it, Primal Scream is another answer.

The Wanderers' Wandering Daughter (noodle vague), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

The Cult.

mike a, Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Simple Minds and the Thompson Twins both did an 80s makeover before making it BIG in the good ol USA.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Underworld, fools

Lukas (lukas), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Agreed, Wandering D...'Screamadelica' most definately elevated them to a group with own following, which wasn't based on having the Mary Chain's old pot banger.

Mr Gripper (Mr Gripper), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

boy this is great--thks for all that. I should have phrased it, much more popular, didn't mean like they became huge, just much more successful

douglas eklund (skolle), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

The Bangles, definitely. The difference between their Faulty Products EP and "Manic Monday" was striking at the time (All Over The Place was a transitional LP), and still is.

mike a, Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Haha! All Over The Place was transitional, therefore a little bit all over the place!

Mr Gripper (Mr Gripper), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

BOO RADLEYS

Carl Handwriting (dog latin), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Metallica
Paradise Lost
Katatonia
Sentenced
Amorphis
Dimmu Borgir
Ulver

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

And Ministry obviously.

Siegbran (eofor), Sunday, 18 December 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Sugar Ray

Gavin, Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

parliament

elvis is dead, Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Snow Patrol

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

beastie boys

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

blondie

fact checking cuz (fcc), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Vanilla Ice

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Japan

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

The Stills

sean gramophone (Sean M), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Daft Punk (were actually a punk band in their eeeearly days)

tylero (tylero), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

DIO

Michael A Neuman (Ferg), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Human League

scott pl. (scott pl.), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

Citing bands who had a different style before they were even signed (eg., Stones Roses or Daft Punk) hardly counts, I think.

I also have a bit of a problem with Primal Scream, given that they changed styles pretty drastically on their first, what, four albums. To me that would be more of a "first album sucked" category (a la Ocean Colour Scene, perhaps).

Metallica definitely made a move to do a streamlined, radio-friendly album with Metallica, but is that a change of styles or a fairly natural evolution?

What about Husker Du? Also an evolution, I guess, but seems more drastic to me. They pretty much became a pop band with Flip Your Wig.

Fleetwood Mac is in the same category as Doobies, I'd argue: sounds changed as a reflection of new key members. Also Split Enz to a certain extent.

How about Manics? From the outside they seemed to change styles with "Everything Must Go" and blow up in popularity, but I don't know whether it would seem that way to people in the UK.

Moody Blues.

Mitya (mitya), Sunday, 18 December 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

t-rex

rectrralrebilding, Sunday, 18 December 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking like radical shift after developing a career, like EBTG from fake jazz to techno or whatever it became

douglas eklund (skolle), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

Adam And The Ants

zeus (zeus), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Hongroe

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

husker du were widely popular?

keyth (keyth), Sunday, 18 December 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Pantera

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Monday, 19 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

J. Geils

jim wentworth (wench), Monday, 19 December 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

Goo Goo Dolls?

Jack L., Monday, 19 December 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Ultravox
Tubeway Army
Simon & Garfunkel
Flaming Lips (well, not widely popular, but considerably more anyway)

Bowie was widely popular way before "Let's Dance", but certainly not after his debut album.

Stone Roses were a crap goth group before they recorded their debut album.

Not really goth. The earliest material sounds mainly like "War" era U2.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 19 December 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

I think of Husker Du as being more of an evolution. They had jangly poppy stuff as far back as their first album, Everything Falls Apart, so I don't think Flip Your Wig necessarily reinvented the wheel for them.

Likewise for The Divine Comedy: their standard-fare indie-rock sound on Fanfare for the Common Man shared common elements with Liberation, from which it's pretty easy to draw a line through to the breakthrough Casanova.

Tori Amos strikes me as a pretty radical example (Y Kant Tori Read).

They Might Be Giants, interestingly, gained a much broader live following upon adopting a real band, but their album sales pretty much tanked.

The Soup Dragons broke the U.S. by ditching their messy buzzsaw-pop sound and turning into a mid-period Jesus & Mary Chain ripoff on Lovegod.

Yello is an okay example, but not a great one, as "Oh Yeah" was really a fluke hit and they failed to deliver on it commercially beyond the licensing of that one song. Plus, they were already two albums into their major stylistic shift before the flashpoint occurred.

Myke Weiskopf (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 19 December 2005 01:41 (twenty years ago)

The Lemonheads

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 19 December 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

liz phair, hehe jk.

pinder (pinder), Monday, 19 December 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

flaming lips
mercury rev

Viz (Viz), Monday, 19 December 2005 06:29 (twenty years ago)

Didn't the Bee Gees start out as folk-rock?

shieldforyoureyes, Monday, 19 December 2005 07:48 (twenty years ago)

A hand full of British 90's.

Radiohead
Ocean Colour Scene
Pulp
Blur
Verve

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 19 December 2005 08:16 (twenty years ago)

The Notwist

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 19 December 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

Radiohead became widely popular already with "Creep". At least for a while.

And as for Pulp, did they really change their style?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

These bands didn't necessarily change their sound for commercial purposes, but their most popular records are in a different style than their earliest efforts:

REM (runner up)
Flaming Lips
Wilco
Talking Heads

But as m coleman pointed out, the clear winner is Fleetwood Mac


kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Monday, 19 December 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Alanis Morisette

acb (acb), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Yes in the 80s

Dominique (dleone), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

"I'm a tell you what Banks told me cause go 'head switch the style up
If the niggas hate then let 'em hate
Watch the money pile up"

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Monday, 19 December 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

Not sure about "widely popular," but certainly a LOT better: My Bloody Valentine

Steve Gertz (sgertz), Monday, 19 December 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Radiohead became widely popular already with "Creep". At least for a while.

And as for Pulp, did they really change their style?

You are right that "Creep" was a very popular song for Radiohead but was an Alternative hit. They left that audience behind and made different music to become one of the most respected bands that we have today. So you are right that they were popular but now they are known as a modern benchmark that so many bands today can't measure up to, thus the reason for mentioning them.

Pulp's debut album in 1983 was called It and is pretty much all acoustic. In 1986 they put of Freaks, listening to now, which has some very dark lyrics. This would be called indie rock today but is pretty different from their sexed up dance music that made them popular in the 1990's.

BeeOK (boo radley), Monday, 19 December 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

yeah after reviewing, fleetwood mac is the gold standard of this topic...thks!

douglas eklund (skolle), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

Program on the emergence of civilization.

"14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
None from the sub-Saharan African continent. "
Favor.
And disfavor.

They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it's applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

The roots of racism are not of this earth.

Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

AIDS in Africa.


Organizational Heirarchy/Levels of positioning.
Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

1. MUCK - perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as "god"
2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
3. Evil/disfavored aliens - runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere

Terrestrial management/positioning:

4. Chinese/egyptians - this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
5. Romans - The seamless transition between Cleopatra and Julius Ceasar may be a clue alluding to a partnership.
6. Mafia - the real-world 20th century interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
7. Jews, corporation, women, politician - Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.


Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.


Our society gives clues to the system in place. We all have heard the saying "He has more money than god." There is also an episode of the Simpsons where god meets Homer and says "I'm too old and rich for this."

This is the system on earth because this is the system everywhere.

20 cent/hour Chinese labor, 50 cents for material.
An $80 sweater costs less than a dollar; tribute kicked upstairs vindicates the creative accounting.

I don't want to suggest the upper eschelons are evil and good is the fringe. But these individuals become wealthy exploiting those they hurt.

They have made it abundantly clear that doing business with evil (disfavored) won't help people. They say only good would have the ear, since evil is struggling for survival, and therefore only the favored could help.

The clues are there which companies are favored and which are disfavored, but they conceal it very hard because it is so crucial.

I offer an example of historical proportions:::

People point to Walmart and cry "anti-union".
Unions enable disfavored people to live satisfactorly without addressing their disfavor. This way their family's problems are never resolved. Without the union they would have to accept the heirarchy, their own inferiority.
Unions serve to empower.
Walmart is anti-union because they are good. They try to help people address and resolve their problems by creating an environment where there are fewer hurdles.

Media ridicule and lawsuits are creations to reinforce people's belief that Walmart is evil in a subsegment of the indistry dominated by the middle and lower classes.
Low-cost disfavored Chinese labor is utilized by corporate america to maximize margins. They all do it. Only WalMart gets fingered because they are the ones who help, and those who seek to create confusion in the marketplace want to eliminate the vast middle class who have a real chance and instead stick with lower classes who may not work otherwise. So they dirty him up while allowing the others to appear clean.

The middle class is being deceived. They are being misled into the unfavored, and subsequently will have no assistance from their purchases with corporate america.

The coining of the term "Uncle Sam" was a clue alluding to just this::Sam Walton's WalMart is one of few saviors of the peasant class.

They desire a system based on duality:::good and evil. They seek to set up a system of two participants and assign them polar opposites:::
Coke and Pepsi (?)
BestBuy and CircutCity
Energizer and Duracell
Republican and Democrat
The list goes on:::
AMD and Intel
Microsoft and Apple (?)
Lowes and HomeDepot
Sam'sClub and Costco
WellsFargo and BofA
Pier1 and CostPlus
Borders and Barnes&Noble
PetCo and PetSmart
And in other cases attempts to eliminate the third competitor failed:::Chrysler, attempts to downgrade Miller beer to low cost like they did Olympia.


Amercia is a country of castoffs, rejects. Italy sent its criminals, malcontents.
Between the thrones, the klans and kindred, they decided who they didn't want and acted, creating discontent and/or starvation.
The u.s. is full of disfavored rejects. It is the reason for the myriad of problems not found in European countries. As far as the Rockafellers and other industrialists of the 19th century go, I suspect these aren't their real names. I suspect they were chosen to go and head this new empire.

Royalty is the correct way to organize a society. Dictatorships and monarchies are a reflection of the antient's hierarchical organization.
Positions go to those who have favor with the rulers, as opposed to being elected.
Elections bring a false sense of how the world is. Democracy misleads people.
Which is why the disfavored rejects were sent to the shores of America::To keep them on the wrong path.


Jewsus Christ is a religious figure of evil. He teaches of a begnign, forgiving god when quite the opposite is true.
The seperatist churches formed so they could capture the rest of the white people, keeping them worshipping the wrong god.
And now they do it to disfavored people of color, Latinos and Asians, after centuries of preying upon them.

Since Buddism doesn't recongnize a god, the calls are never heard, and Asian representation is instead fully selected by the thrones.
Budda was the Asian's Jewsus Christ::: bad for the people. It was a clue they both emerged at the same time. Timing may be a clue alluding to ranking.

Simpson's foreshadowing::Helloween IV special, Flanders is Satan. "Last one you ever suspect."
"You'll see lots of nuns where you're going:::hell!!!" St. Wigham, Helloween VI:::missionary work, destroying cultures.
Over and over, the Simpsons was a source of education and enlightenment, a target of ridicule by the system which wishes to conceal its secrets.

The advent of the modern Christmas was a brilliant move. It creates a vested interest among those who would prefer the Church of Evil be destroyed::::
As goes the Catholic Church so goes the majority of annual retail sales.
The similarity between the names "Santa" and "Satan" is no coincidence.

Jews maim the body formed in the image of "god", and inflicted circumcision upon all other white people.
I think about how Jews (were used to) created homosexuality among Slavics, retribution for the Holocaust.
Then I think of the Catholic Church and its troubles.
What connection is here between Jews and the Catholic church???
If it is their sinister motives that’s behind the evil that is Jesus Christ are they being used at all?
Perhaps it is them who are pulling strings.
Their centuries of slavery in Egypt proves their disfavor.
For their suffering the Jew leaders were granted the right to prey on the up-and-coming Europeans to try to fix their problems with the ruling elite, a recurring aspect of the elite's methodology.
Jews were ostracised for a reason.


Retribution for the atomic bombs dropped on Japan, the Korean War got the disfavored United States into this socially depraved environment in the latter 20th century because we attacked an antient, revered peoples. Our continued presence keeps us in trouble.
When the disfavored americans attack the wrong people again, as they suggested they will, in Korea or elsewhere, they will pay dearly.


All peoples are ranked in terms of favor and disfavor. And when the disfavored abuse those with favor there is hell to pay.
All the groups mentioned throughout are necessary to justify the will of the managing species. They conceive a strategy, devise a plan yet need a way to implement it, and without these groups the managing species would be exposed in the course of execution. So, based upon their rank they are assigned goals to accomplish and are rewarded with favors.

grandpa stole bets, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

Kylie Minogue

Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Chumbawamba.

No, they were making the same kinda pop music years before, it's just that for some reason it suddenly caught on, for a short while. There isn't that much difference between Anarchy and Tubthumper, with a proper promotion they might've just as well had a hit with the former.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

Did the New Radicals release anything before You Get What You Give? I heard that they started off doing some kind of Situationist/Marxist social commentary, but then had a big hit and realised that that's what the game is.

acb (acb), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Aerosmith

T. Rex

js (honestengine), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Skr3wdr1v3r? (googleproofed for obvious reasons)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

(and not widely popular, but still gained their current fanbase on their change of style and ideals)

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

The Beatles

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

OMD, to some degree.

Spinal Tap, of course.

And James Brown.

Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

The Wiggles

Sasha (sgh), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)


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