Where is the LOVE for Michael Stanley?

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Made many albums from '72 to '83. Semi-popular to very popular heartland draw, particularly in Cleveland. Was discovered by Joe Walsh's management, so the first could albums have Walsh sidemen.
"Rosewood Bitters" would wind up on Walsh's The Confessor, a decade or so after Stanley put it on his first solo album. "Rock 'n' Roll Man" was a '72 heavy tune on an essentially singer-songwriter album, in the same slot, only more crunching and guitarred, than "Southern Band" by Henry Gross (Plug Me Into Something).

Stanley didn't sound like Cougar, or Petty or Springsteen (although record companies tried to make Michael Stanley Band sort of sound that way after Bruce went gang-busters). Always wound up with name
producers -- Don Gehman, Bill Sczmyck, Mutt Lange before he was Mutt, Bob Clearmountain. Most worked, Gehman didn't. MSB in 81 or so was bad.

High water mark was "He Can't Love You" from Heartland with a Clarence Clemons sax solo that really wasn't necessary to the song. It was their highest charting single. "Ladies' Choice" from '74 also did some radio action. "My Town," from the MSBand's last album in 1983, it terrific.

Stanley's 70's stuff rocks harder than his 80's stuff.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

In the 70's and early 80's, he was selling out night after night in CLE, but hardly made a dent outside NE Ohio. Some of those early songs/performances rock as hard as .. well .. Joe Walsh .. so, if that's what you like, etc.. I still have a soft spot for Stagepass, since my sister started playing it when I was in 4th grade - although only a few tunes on it still resonate with me. From that perspective, I never did take to the "hits" like 'My Town' & 'He Can't Love You'. I gave up on Joe Walsh long before the Confessor, so I'm eager to hear his cover of Rosewood Bitters.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Walsh's version of "Bitters" does credit to Stanley's original. Of course, he played on the original. The heavily Leslie'd guitar that backs in its great melody, plus some slide, is pretty obviously straight from the James Gang style-book.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

Never heard of him

...with Ross Kemp as 'Pixel' (Dada), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

I lived in NE Ohio in 2000-2002 and he was the afternoon DJ on the Cle classic rock station. Seemed like he was a fairly established radio personality in Cleveland.

How is his version of "Eleanor Rigby," George?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

I REMEMBER MICHAEL STANLEY!!

I'm from Akron.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Don't know, Tim. It's from the part of his catalog, later period, wherein the "Stanley Band, editions 1, 2 or 3)" have been left behind. He did "Help" when he was starting out and it was OK, so he has a good feel for the Beatles. In his early 70's stuff, sometimes you could hear traces of Brit invasion. Anyway, it's on eMusic, along with rest of his catalog (notably except for Stagepass) so I could find out easily enough. Maybe I'll do that sometime when I have a few spare moments toward or after Xmas.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

I thought he was megafamous, like "John Cougar" and Bob Seger and Bruce Springsteen. Also, when we sang "My Town" in Akron, we shouted "AKRON!" Of course, I thought everyone did that.

Are you related to Michael Stanley? Because no one else I've ever asked has ever heard of him outside of NE Ohio.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

"My Town" in Akron, we shouted "AKRON!" Of course, I thought everyone did that.

News was, for that record, EMI had the act do one hundred different vocal edits for the song, in vain hope it would takeoff nationwide.

Am I related? Nope. It's just that Michael Stanley was part of the the "dumbbell thump of American hard rock," in Dave Marsh's supericilious description, that always worked for me.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

MICHAEL STANLEY LIVES IN MY HOMETOWN!!!!!!!!

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

A hundred different towns? That's nuts. MUNCIE! DAYTON!

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

>the "dumbbell thump of American hard rock," in Dave Marsh's supericilious description<

lol

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

I remember the "My Town" video getting a fair amount of MTV rotation back in the day.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

Actually, Stanley and bandmates lyrics were generally better to far exceeding the syntax and vocab of the average American dumbbell. And I say that as someone who likes average dumbbells.

He had the sound and just enough good tunes live to make people jump up and down at places like the Agora. I was reading a newspaper retrospective of the band and Stanley related that management wanted Stagepass to be a Peter Frampton Frampton Comes Alive-type thing. Ha-ha, good try, though, and I think it's still in print.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

"He Can't Love You" would make a great power pop cover.

mike a, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

I lived in NE Ohio in 2000-2002 and he was the afternoon DJ on the Cle classic rock station.

he still is.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Does he get to play his own music? And if so, what does he choose?

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

I never heard him play an MSB song.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

he played 'stay with me' (the faces) the other day. that's all i heard.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

Well, he definitely ought to play his own music. Because nowadays, not that many other people are up to the job or inclined to do so. Not that I could hear it. I don't think I've ever heard an MSB tune on classic rock FM in the dozen years I've been in California. Then again, I hardly listen to the radio except around lunchtime.

George the Animal Steele, Tuesday, 20 December 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

WNCX is your basic corporate classic rock station, so I doubt that Stanley has much say over his playlist.

As a Cle lifer who's been exposed to plenty of MSB over the years, my opinion is that the real talent in the original band was Jonah Koslen. JK's band Breathless made two albums in the early '80s, and the first (s/t) is an excellent AOR/power-pop record.

Re: _Stagepass_, I think just about every '70s AOR band tried the live double thing in the wake of _Frampton Comes Alive_.

Jeff Wright (JeffW1858), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

my opinion is that the real talent in the original band was Jonah Koslen.

I'll buy. I like Koslen on guitar and vocals MSB a great deal more than Gary Markasky on guitar and Raleigh on some vocals. So that would make pre '78 material beats post, plus my fondness for the solo albums with Joe Walsh and Barnstorm.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Not sure if I would like the rest of his stuff, but "He Can't Love You" is a big fave...

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:26 (twenty years ago)

Also, I still like to substitute "so good I play a tuba" instead of "so good at using you but...(he can't love you etc. etc.)"

Joe (Joe), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

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George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

The -sucked- ref was to MSB, not Ladies Choice which was/is the polar opposite. Those on-line should not fall prey to the prices of the speculators. Both, no matter your taste, can be had quite reasonably.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

rock for dudes who wore satin baseball jackets and blow-dried shags during the late 70s? soundtrack for many an OSU frat bash? but hey, then again, REO's early albums are better than you'd ever expect.

MSB were virtually unknown outside CLE, non-entities even in Cinci and Detroit IIRC. MS ending up a classic rock DJ = poetic justice.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

my opinion is that the real talent in the original band was Jonah Koslen.

I had considered writing that same sentence. And while the Koslen-era band was much more to my liking, looking at the song credits, it's Michael who wrote the best songs. Jonah wrote some great proto-hairband rockers, but after 25 years, I'm not as interested.

D.I.Y. U.N.K.L.E. (dave225.3), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

rock for dudes who wore satin baseball jackets and blow-dried shags during the late 70s? soundtrack for many an OSU frat bash? but hey, then again, REO's early albums are better than you'd ever expect.

Ouch. Must've been the cover of Ladies' Choice. Hoo boy, Woody Hayes, the Buckeyes, booze and MSB. What a mix! Stanley also wound up on Drew Carey once, I think.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

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m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

That woman has three arms. Three arms! Two for around you neck, and one for somewhere else.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

I can confirm that the version of "My Town" played on St. Louis radio included a dubbed-in cry of "SAINT LOUIS" in the chorus. It failed to make the song a hit here. If the diabolical label masterminds bothered to do this for our sad little market, you can bet they did it everywhere.

(I am less certain, but seem to remember that Huey & the News' "Heart of Rock N Roll" also appeared in regional mutations, with the locals getting a shout-out on the coda.)

Jason Toon, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Ha! Michael Stanley. He ushered me into the world of corporate "classic rock" on WNCX when I was growing up in Cleveland. I used to see him walking around downtown all the time. And I used to stare at the cleavage of the girl on the cover of Stagepass that was framed on the wall of the Record Exchange in Lakewood.

On the WNCX website, he lists his favorite acts as Bruce Springsteen and Collective Soul. Something here is not like the other.

PB, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

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PB, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

That's about the pinnacle of MSB cover art. Many of the albums had unfortunate and bland group shots, often featuring a small man with an embarrassing moustache.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 22 December 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

michael stanley went to my high school and is in the hall of fame. rumor has it he came to a class reunion in a helicopter. very rock and roll.

hndinglove (hndinglove), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 07:06 (twenty years ago)

What hall of fame? Football?

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 08:52 (twenty years ago)

My sister and I were big MSB fans back in the day; I probably attended 5-6 shows during my HS years from 1983-87. MSB, while nowhere near as good as Heartland or Ladie's Choice does have Raleigh's solid "When I'm Holding You Tight" on it. And a couple other good tracks, I think.

Kevin Raleigh ended up as a manager, managing (among others) Pittsburgh act Brownie Mary, which had some brief college radio success. A band I was in opened for them once and they were total assholes to us. I also once stood in line behind Michael Stanley at Lentine's Music on Richmond Rd. when he dropped several grand on guitars and keyboards. Woohoo.

phil d. (Phil D.), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

George, thanks for *The Thumbnail Michael Stanley* CD-R! I fucking love the thing, and am now shamed that I had never remotely paid attention to the guy before. (I'm not even sure "My Town" got radio airplay in Detroit, which is obviously not that far from Cleveland.) By the way, not sure if the record is mentioned previously on this thread, but his 2005 album actually got one FIRST-PLACE Pazz & Jop vote this year (though I am not permitted at this point to reveal who the voter was.) When I listened to it myself last summer, I wasn't impressed (thought it was pretty much an Americana bland-out --not even sure I got through the whole thing, to be honest), and I quickly traded it in; now I'm wondering if I shoulda spent more time with it.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I haven't gotten around to listening to his newest. Was called American Road or something, no, with a guitar on the cover?

Kind of lucked out with the track sequencing of The Thumbnail Michael Stanley. Just slapped it together, burned and started playing and discover the thing has quite a few really strong tunes on it. "Rock 'n' Roll Man" was totally unexpected, it being on one of his solo albums regarded as folk singer/songwriter style. Christgau has him in the infamous "Meltdown" section of his 70's book, along with a lot of other 180-rule-for-me artists.

George the Animal Steele, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

(I am less certain, but seem to remember that Huey & the News' "Heart of Rock N Roll" also appeared in regional mutations, with the locals getting a shout-out on the coda.)

-- Jason Toon

Heh heh...Yep, I only heard it on the radio once but once was enough: A patronizing "Toronto! Mont-real!" tacked on between the American cities and the fadeout.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Uh.... don't you mean PAUL Stanley?

Deuce Bag, Wednesday, 28 December 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

My sister and I were big MSB fans back in the day; I probably attended 5-6 shows during my HS years from 1983-87.

This thread outlines a band with an impressively long string of albums but mostly unknown everywhere except Cleveland. Says to me radio play in one urban/suburban region was enough to sustain sales so that the majors were willing to go along and find name producers to do them. Eddie Kramer did North Coast which is about the toughest sounding record of the ones he did just before folding.
Kind of heartwarming.

George the Animal Steele, Thursday, 29 December 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
I moved to the Cleveland area in 1981 from New York. Never heard of Michael Stanley until I got here. Met a local girl who, along with her sister, were crazy about MSB as were many people in Cleveland. MSB could sell out a large outdoor ampitheater for a week of shows in Cleveland (Blossom Music Center). I never got into listening to him much, but they were a good band. The impression I got was that they got a big head, tried to push the record company and their label support dried up. They kind of did themselves in. There were more records, but the good tunes never got the marketing push.

He was a co-host of PM Magazine in the 80's and then went on to be a radio DJ.

I did get to see him and his band (which included several original members and some great new members) at a small, private concert. They kicked ass. Really talented musicians. They had a new CD coming out and I bought it and liked it. My wife (that local girl) loved it. I actually sold a guitar amp to Michael a couple of years ago at the Central Ohio Guitar Show in Columbus. Nice guy in person too.

DavidE, Monday, 16 January 2006 02:39 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.robertchristgau.com/xg/rock/ohio-78.php
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Happened upon this thread after googling for MSB info.

Late '70s through early '80s were a great time to go through the teen years in Northeast Ohio. As the link above shows, we had a great radio station - and many other very good ones who tried to keep up with 'MMS.

I remember awaiting the Greatest Hints album after hearing the Cabin Fever album. Very good albums. When I first heard Stagepass (oddly, after first hearing the two later albums); wow! A great live album, especially considering the recording gear of thirty years ago.

When Greatest Hints came out, nearly everyone was talking about it. I remember thinking that they very likely might beat Led Zeppelin's attendance at the (dearly departed) Richfield Coliseum. Sure, they didn't have the national following of Led Zeppelin, but there was such anticipation for the concert that it didn't seem a farfetched notion. After that concert, they had the record. Great show as always. High energy and great music.

I remember seeing the Blossom concert with Donnie Iris and Michael Stanley. Both groups did a great job. (Back then, you'd have thought that Donnie's group was from Ohio too. He got plenty of airplay on the Cleveland and Akron stations for "Ah, Leah" and "Love is like a Rock", as well as "The Rapper" from his Jaggerz days. Today, radio's not anything like it was. Thank goodness I wasn't born ten years later!)

I listened to the CD of Stagepass a week ago and was even more impressed with the sound. No one overdid their part. Drumming was solid, but not overwhelming. Just an excellent variety of sounds, played by talented musicians. Listened to it twice in a row, in fact. It's just that good!

Later, I did some digging on the internet to see what I could find. I figured he would have a website; there are still plenty of fans who recall his glory years. (Maybe not national glory, but Cleveland did like good music and did support new groups who had a good sound. Witness Ian Hunter's "Cleveland Rocks" and the story behind it.) Found decent prices through Linelevelmusic.com. CDnow and Ebay have ridiculously high prices! $124??? C'mon!

Thanks for the reference to Christgau, George. Now that's an impressive website. Lots of material, interesting articles, well worth the time.

And thanks for posting the original comments, George. Brings back good memories!

-C.R.

Cornrot, Monday, 27 February 2006 03:07 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the reference to Christgau, George.

Bitte schon. Standard rock critic exaggeration of worthiness of a patchwork of indie bar punk bands and art noise, some of which I like.
"I said whip it, whip it good..." Dump, dump, da-dump.

George the Animal Steele, Monday, 27 February 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)

I wasn't into the punk scene, so I can't really offer a comment on Christgau's article. He did his homework concerning the bars and general scene at that time. Funny to hear the name Jane Aire and the Belvederes. Hadn't heard them mentioned since senior year. Devo was being talked about sometime in 1979 IIRC. (One girl in our class played bass and would hang out with Mothersbaugh and the group.) Most of us were glad that Boston and Van Halen were taking us out of the disco era. Yes, there were some enjoyable disco songs (although most of us took the "Disco sucks" attitude to keep from being ridiculed), but it was overwhelming to hear so many at one time. We needed a break.

BTW, George, are you a former Ohioan?

Cornrot, Monday, 27 February 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

No. But I a couple Michael Stanley Band albums in college. And then late last year I was sort of thrilled to see the entire catalog -- except for Stagepass -- come on-line at eMusic. (So there's actually no reason for anyone to pay those ridiculous prices hung by Amazon's resellers.) And I didn't have the old albums anymore so I started downloading and burned a couple really good composite discs of the MSB legacy.

George 'the Animal' Steele, Monday, 27 February 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the background, George. BTW, I forgot to mention that I saw the "My Town" video, not on MTV, but on NBC's "Friday Night Videos". Remember that old show? Obviously conceived to take advantage of MTV's popularity back then. (OT: I also remember that Friday Night Videos blanked out David Lee Roth's hands on the Hot for Teacher video - when he puts them around his crotch.)

Cornrot, Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
I'm pretty sure the only Michael Stanley i've ever heard is the stuff from his old band Silk. They had one album out in the late 60's called *Smooth As Raw Silk* that wasn't bad. bluesy organ/guitar 60's hard rock. nothing essential, but enjoyable. i do remember the 70's albums, i just never bought any. can't remember if my brother had any. he must have.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 21 June 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)


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