The MINIMAL backlash

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So. Thoughts, feelings, discuss, eh eh what??

― dj not as good as, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

HI DERE

― blunt (blunt), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.michaelhong.com/gallery/albums/album03/aae.jpg

― howell huser (chaki), Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

― baby, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

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― baby, Wednesday, 21 December 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.trustthedj.com/SKRUFFF/news_article.php?news_id=5002

The Hacker harasses 'quite boring' minimal DJs
02/02/2006

Electro-tech uber-producer Michel ‘The Hacker’ Amato branded minimal techno ‘the new electroclash’ this week and suggested that, like electroclash several years ago, the much-hyped genre could soon be struggling.

‘There are some good records out there of course, but now everybody is into it and what I find particularly surprising is that you’re finding hard techno DJs who are doing minimal stuff now as well as people from the commercial house scene,’ said Michel.

‘It just shows that minimal is a new fashion thing, that people think it’s cool to do be involved. It’s exactly the same as what happened with electroclash, three or four years ago; everybody was suddenly into electro from one day to the next. It’s the new thing, it’s everywhere, but then next year it will be something else that’s in fashion. We just have to wait and see which artists will remain.’

The French producer remains one of the highest profile artists to have emerged and prospered from electroclash, though confessed he loathes minimal so much he often hassles DJs, bombarding them with cheeky record requests.

‘I always go to the DJ booth, especially when I’m drunk, If I’m sober, or normal I don’t ask, but when I drunk I always ask the DJ to play different records if I don’t like what I’m hearing,’ Michel chuckled.

‘I remember being in a club with Vitalic a few years ago and we were totally drunk and there was some DJ, I can’t remember who, playing this very serious, intellectual minimal style and we thought it was very boring so we approached him and said ‘please play something interesting, play Daft Punk or Giorgio Moroder, whatever, play something funky’. I have to say the day after I felt a little guilty and thought I shouldn’t have done that but during the moment, it was very funny. Not for the DJ, but it was for us,’ he laughed.

‘I have to say I was in Berlin a few weeks ago and this music is everywhere, at every party everybody is playing the same thing and it’s quite boring; very boring,’ he continued, ‘Three hours of plip-plop, plip-plop is too much. I guess it must have something to do with the drugs. Minimal is very druggy music.’

The Hacker’s Traces EP (featuring remixes by Oxia, Dexter and a Black Strobe remix of Flesh & Bones) is out shortly on PIAS.

― Yawn (Wintermute), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Yawn

― adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

It's a load of bollocks but come on, what about THIS bit?

The Hacker’s Traces EP (featuring remixes by Oxia, Dexter and a Black Strobe remix of Flesh & Bones) is out shortly on PIAS.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:55 (twenty years ago)

If the Black Strobe mix of Flesh & Bone doesn't make small children cry I will be the most disappointed man in the world.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:56 (twenty years ago)

There are contexts where he's right but I like how he told those boring stories as if they were uproarious yarns of wild party hijinks.

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:12 (twenty years ago)

"One night we were drunk and - get this - we asked the DJ to put something else on."

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)

Obnoxious french goth rat in bitter job/edge-losing shock-a-shizzlePNATS. I sort of agree with him, is the worst part.

Not having a dead eighties horse to flog back to life rather desperately would make him more credible. Sorry but I don't think we'll be having that second electrosomething revival any time soon ! See you in 2020 for senior DJ novelty tours in janky suburban clubs.

Actually I now remember meeting Michel ages ago in that environment exactly.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I sort of agree with him, is the worst part.

OTM

― deej.. (deej..), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

whoa - chaki, i used to have a radio show there!!!! (on AM)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:24 (twenty years ago)

heavy metal dude's name ? he deserves 3 cheers

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:27 (twenty years ago)

I pretty much agree with the guy. Thing is, a boring dj is a boring dj, no matter what genre. Now that the minimal thing is pretty codified all the by-the-numbers jocks jump on and kind of dilute it's effect. Minimal jumping the horse right here: http://www.discogs.com/release/561488

― tylero (tylero), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:30 (twenty years ago)

derrr s/horse/shark

― tylero (tylero), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

experimentalist horse jumping!

here is my WBRU story: Now's the time on ILX where we admit thinking TMBG were awesome in junior high

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

I mean, classic or dud : posing for everyday pictures like they're future album covers. Classic.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

he is one of the dullest people on the planet.

― notloggedin, Friday, 3 February 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

He's kind of forgetting to mention that electroclash was always gimmicky rubbish.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:36 (twenty years ago)

haha tylero, minimal jumped the shark much earlier: http://www.discogs.com/release/264776

― Yawn (Wintermute), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:44 (twenty years ago)

ha ha that cover

― Lukas (lukas), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:52 (twenty years ago)

at a certain point i started to fell uncomfortable of the fact that i like minimal, when everyone "discovered" a "new fresh sound" that had been around for so damn long.
what now? switch to prog-neo-trance?

― nique (nique), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:02 (twenty years ago)

Yup, sorry. Since you became a minimal fanboy you missed the acid/rock/rave sidetrack, slightly less dreary.

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:27 (twenty years ago)

i thought minimal existed before rave and acid

― nique (nique), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:42 (twenty years ago)

I mean (like always) it's a good time to be bored with these trends and hunt for surprising records again, assembling playlists from tunes across not-so-different subgenres of techno, house etc.

xpost : you missed the acid/rave revival ? It WAS completely uncalled for I agree.

― Al B. Dere (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:48 (twenty years ago)

i mean - there were just a few of us and then the "minimal fans" flooded mother earth.
i'm upset that i'm not unique anymore, dammit.

― nique (nique), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:56 (twenty years ago)

yeah "-nique" seems to be a preoccupation

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

true shark-jumping is the new misstress barbara mix, no joke (and no discogs link as of yet). argy, trentemoller, move d (?!), trentemoller, 2 eulberg remixes, donnacha costello, even alex under. i still haven't gotten up the gumption to put it on yet.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:32 (twenty years ago)

I was backlashing against minimal until I read this:

‘Three hours of plip-plop, plip-plop is too much. I guess it must have something to do with the drugs. Minimal is very druggy music.’

Now I love it again! Faceless techno/it all sounds the same/you could only like this music on drugs = must be great!

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 3 February 2006 02:35 (twenty years ago)

the first 30mins of the Marco Bailey CD is good.

i feel more comfortable in full clubs rather than empty clubs.

― Good Dog (Good Dog), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:00 (twenty years ago)

but wait ... my animal instincts tell me that if "by-the-numbers jocks jump on" - by which tylero means "tragically uncool hard house / club house bods" - it'll be the best thing that could happen to minimal house!!

i mean, who would YOU rather have jump on the minimal house bandwagon - tribal america or planet mu? skam or subliminal?

or, to put it another way ... "jacques lu cont remixing COLDPLAY? GAH! SOUNDS LIKE DRECK!! i wish he'd work with someone credible, like sigur ros or tortoise ..."

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:22 (twenty years ago)

oh vahid no. don't invoke sigur ros like that, there'll be repercussions!!

― rez one-bagger (haitch), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:34 (twenty years ago)

I agree with Vahid mostly - the Marco Bailey comp actually looks good. My main concern is that the difference between hard loop techno types getting into minimal and IDM types getting into minimal may be (in strict sonic terms) rather neglible - the result might be somewhat stentorian either way.

Better for Jacques Lu Cont HIMSELF to start making minimal epics (oh wait! He does! sorta)

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:36 (twenty years ago)

best case = more trad-house grist for the trentemoller / tiefschwarz mill

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:50 (twenty years ago)

who will be the minimal-house mylo?

― vahid (vahid), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:51 (twenty years ago)

what do you mean?

― tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 3 February 2006 04:10 (twenty years ago)

press, radio play

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 04:14 (twenty years ago)

I hope it's a girl

― blunt (blunt), Friday, 3 February 2006 04:17 (twenty years ago)

confession: i dont really understand what minimal is. and isnt everyone up in the air about electrohouse anyway? and dont they all end up getting played together anyway?

my favourite plip-plop records of the last year or so

sven brede - brave
swat squad - escoria
argy - love dose

― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:05 (twenty years ago)

the 'drugs' thing makes me laugh. they used to say that about maximalist trance didnt they, oh, all those breakdowns, its for people on drugs

now they say, "oh all those no-breakdowns, its for people on drugs'

i heard a rumour they used to say the same about paul whiteman in 1921

― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:07 (twenty years ago)

apropros of nothing. does anyone have a ysi of frank de wulf - tapes. im kind of convinced that loads of things at the moment sound like that, but im not sure if its the track im thinking of

― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:08 (twenty years ago)

I still don;t quite get what this thread is about, is it about clicky techno, like say, Pheek and Unfoundsound and the M_Nus label and all that stuff?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:10 (twenty years ago)

i dont know!

im not sure anyone does;)

― terry lennox. (gareth), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Well, at least I know what to say if I ever see The Hacker DJing anywhere.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 3 February 2006 08:40 (twenty years ago)

Dance music cycles through trends as much as (if not more than) any other general music genre. This reminds me of an Andrea Parker interview I read in DJ Magazine last year. She was whining about how there aren't any "real electro-heads" anymore and how the whole scene is/was now rubbish, which is funny because I'm sure purist electro-heads were saying the same about her when she dropped the very commercial Kiss My Arp.

That no-one-cares-about-me-anymore pill is a tough one to swallow.....

― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Friday, 3 February 2006 09:02 (twenty years ago)

someone tell me abt trentemoller. i have a rmx of his that came out of a big pile of shit i torrented one night ("electro punk hitlist" vols 10 - fuck knows what. no idea who put it together, either, mostly garbage). anyway, it ruled. discogs doesn't say much.

― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 3 February 2006 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Sharon Phillips - Want 2 Need 2 (Trentemoller remix)

― geoff (gcannon), Friday, 3 February 2006 09:29 (twenty years ago)

He's danish, late 20s, used to be a rock producer, got into dance a few years back. His own productions are minimal-ish k house, his remixes are big breakdown-filled electrohouse stompers. He was very popular last year.

― Jacob (Jacob), Friday, 3 February 2006 09:37 (twenty years ago)

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people in europe don't actually dance. they "close their eyes and dream of looking out the window onto dancing fields of wheat."

― lf (lfam), Saturday, 18 February 2006 07:32 (nineteen years ago)

people in europe don't actually dance. they "dance".

Quite "funny" I guess ;-)

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Saturday, 18 February 2006 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

yes, we have special "vibes" that no american can ever hope to recreate. and we call those vibes "laissez-faire drug policy" ;D

― Yawn (Wintermute), Saturday, 18 February 2006 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

seriously though, ive never seen anyone take k. even nitrous oxide and salvia are more popular. if this is a mass phenomenon, its the most hush-hush mass phenomenon ever.

― Yawn (Wintermute), Saturday, 18 February 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

my understanding of k is that it is a dissociative that would make dancing, or any coordinated movement, impossible. maybe it's different when you blow it.

― lf (lfam), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

The people I've seen on the dancefloor who took ketamine were literally . . . on the floor, usually with long strings of drool hanging out of their mouths, with their heads sinking into their laps. Often in a fetal clump, by the bassbin. Not pretty.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

k=
http://www.privateone.us/NotPretty.jpg

― lf (lfam), Sunday, 19 February 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

People who dance to minimal techno only take drugs in homeopathic doses

― telegram sam, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

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― ulI8BXxwh3, Sunday, 12 March 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

paul hazel

― Mr Adolph bin Streisand (Mr_Adolph_bin_Streisand), Monday, 13 March 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

i'm calling you out, windex

― lf (lfam), Monday, 13 March 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm feeling like having a minimal backlash against Trentemoller for his crappy answers to my e-mail interview questions.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Monday, 13 March 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm feeling like having a minimal backlash against Trentemoller for his crappy answers to my e-mail interview questions.

Haha. I caught Trentemøller on Saturday: he was cheesy as fuck, playing riffs such as 'Seven Nation Army', 'Smoke on the Water' and 'White Lines/Cavern' on a keyboard while his "perfomance partner' DJ T.O.M. mixed loops from his records behind him. Really diverse crowd came down to catch him, and they all lapped it up. I have to admit I wasn't feeling it as much as most, but he kept me entertained.

There are some videos of the night on a Brighton website, here:

http://www.brightonfusion.co.uk/?cmd=articles_body.php&id=tm0306

If anyone's interested we have a Kompakt allnighter down in Brighton this Saturday featuring DJ Koze DJing and The Modernist playing an all new live set. Should be a really good night.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

We as in Brighton, rather than me putting on the night.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Monday, 13 March 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

Hows about Min Techno as being a new style of Techno try not to compare it with Trends.With new technology comes forth new music.Techno will continue to reinvent it self for the better or worse depending on who you ask.Instead of bashing it except it ive been playing this shit for about 6 years cus all the older loopy techno records got boring they all started to sound the same.Some so called min records are doing the same again.In all generes there is good production and shity production.Long live Techno and fuck the haters.
DJ SAINTGEORGE WILLIAMSBURG BROOKLYN NYC

― ST.GEORGE BROOKLYN NYC, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

well said sir!

― fez (fez), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

fez are you fezaffe?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

or fe zaffe?

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

dont tell anyone!!

― fez (fez), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://img335.imageshack.us/img335/1368/haters3ma.jpg

― lf (lfam), Tuesday, 16 May 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

ITEM DETAILS FOR:
THE HACKER - A.N.D. N.O.W...

The second mix from The Hacker is a predictably electro-based affair that nonetheless manages to throw up a selection of welcome surprises, with Grenoble's digital botherer raiding his crates and pulling out the likes of Sleep Archive, Model 500 and Ellen Allien. Evidently having spent some time getting intimate with the more minimal end of his collection, as Sleep Archive's 'Elephant Island' and Mount Sims 'Restless' prove, whilst for those who prefer things more chrome-plated The Hackers own 'Flesh & Bone' and hardboiled blast of Model 500's 'Techno Music' will keep you grinning. Tracklisting; 1. Notstandskomitee - Uhrwerkwelt (Tape Version) 2. Miss Yetti - Could I Kill You 3. Liasons Dangereuses - Los Ninos Del Parque 4. Sleeparchive - Elephant Island 5. Revolving Eyes - Space Model 6. Ellen Allen - Brain Is Lost 7. The Emperor Machine - Bloody Hell 8. Model 500 - Techno Music 9. Luke Eargoggle - A2 10. Perspects - Strap 11. The Hacker - Flesh&Bone 12. Front 242 - No Shuffle 13. Kiko & Gino'S - Odyssey 14. Gto - Pure (Battle Of The Bass Mix) 15. The Hacker - Link 1 16. Mount Sims - Restless

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, hackerpaws.

Though to be fair, that is only two tracks.

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

unfair is more fun ;)

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bitunfair.com/images/bg.jpg

― trees (treesessplode), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

'restless' isnt so minimal!

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

damn you boomkat!

― fandango (fandango), Friday, 14 July 2006 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

10 Rules Of Being A Minimal Hipster.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

that list is sooo 2005

― ferzaffe (flezaffe), Sunday, 6 August 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

what a bitter british list

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

"come to Berlin with no plan"

leave with no money :D

I feel ripped off, I never saw Magda once! :(

― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNGLpKKt3uo

This video should blast away that silly British list, it is everything dance music is about in 1.30.

― Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

That list reads like a big bushel of:

http://www.readthemanifesto.com/images/grapes-print.jpg

― jeffery (jeffery), Sunday, 6 August 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

ronan surely you must be talking about the dude with the bald spot @ 1.30.

― breakfast pants (disco stu), Sunday, 6 August 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

you can get a steak here, daddy-o. don't be a http://www.mathmlcentral.com/characters/glyphs/DottedSquare_L.gif

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Sunday, 6 August 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

"hey I am an artist, shuchameblah"

That is seriously one of the funniest phrases I've read in a while, though.

― trees (treesessplode), Monday, 7 August 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

it is everything dance music is about in 1.30.

that looks crap.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 August 2006 07:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think you misread, I said it is everything "DANCE MUSIC" is about in 1.30

― Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

what do you mean?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 7 August 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

dance music is about looking up and suddenly realizing that for the last hour you've been trapped behind a wall of sweaty men.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

what is that record anyway?

― -- (688), Monday, 7 August 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

5. If you ever have the chance to meet Rich Hawtin, when talking with him - scruff his hairstyle around a bit.

― HPSTRKRFT (haitch), Monday, 7 August 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

AKNOWLEDGE, AGREE AND REPEAT (sic), motherfuckers.

― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

just bitching from what I can tell. What do they propose to replace it with?
Funky House.

― hector (hector), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

In an ideal world, yeah.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 7 August 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I hear Justice and MSTRKRFT are pretty good.

― alext (alext), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh come on, that looks awesome. It's the ultimate proof at:

a) the cowbell is the greatest history in the history of music
b) there's no technology in the world that can compete with someone banging a pipe in the right way
c) especially if it has a big WOOMP WOOMP noise underneath it

Of course, it could have had some 303 squelching over the top, but that's a bit like the stick for the moon, really.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

history = instrument.

There's no enthusiasm in the world that can compete with proofreading.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

its almost like the corroding bell track that mills played, whatever that was

― -- (688), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Never heard that one? Is it rare?

― jimnaseum - formalist rigour! (jimnaseum), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

i dont know what it is:/

i like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldkBYCszlU8

― -- (688), Monday, 7 August 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

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