where does pop end?

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i ask because i was thinking about the imaginary separation between punk and pop; specifically about how the ramones and the clash and so many of the others are clearly pop groups but the germs aren't (or are they? [i mention the germs only off the top of my head]). how is this so? what makes them or any other music that evolved out of pop, not pop. discuss.

― lf, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

so maybe the germs aren't the best example.

― lf, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

The Germs version of "Sugar Sugar" is pop. "No God" isn't pop.
So they trickled over the border sometimes, at least live.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Geir to thread.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

No! Not that!

― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 01:19 (twenty years ago)

hooks? does true punk have it?

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:06 (twenty years ago)

yes.

try thinking about audience, context and values.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:50 (twenty years ago)

Pop ends in the third record vault, right before the various artists section in the WOBC library. In 95 or so, I organized all the cool influential compilations, No New York, Industrial Records Story, Speed Trials, Human Music, Fruit of the Original Sin, Dry Lungs, Wanna Buy a Bridge? the ReR Sampler into one convenient section. I can only assume this just made them easier to find and steal and much like the DNA ep, Buzzcocks Spiral Scratch and Early Fall, have been removed from ohio a long time ago.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:52 (twenty years ago)

i'm really not interested in the external aspect (audience) -- people like all kinds of music that may not fit their "profile." plus i'm convinced that your ears grow accustomed to almost everything if you listen to it enough.

― Mitya (mitya), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 06:24 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I saw Sonic Youth and Big Black at Oberlin in '86( for six bucks!). Didn't go to the radio station but knew someone who was a DJ.

It's so sad how radio station records get jacked. The station I DJ on now is taking all of the new records, putting them on a hard drive as WAV files, and putting the CDs into storage. An interesting development.

xpost

― sleeve (sleeve), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 06:27 (twenty years ago)

people still steal from wobc, but i can usually rationalize it. no new york is definitely not there. i've looked. that's awesome that you, other person, saw big black there. i saw d yellow swans and no-neck blues band.

oberlin-ilm links transcend generational barriers. very very strange

― lf, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 07:32 (twenty years ago)

somewhere between rio ,vienna and club tropicana.

― retrokid, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

pop ends where the weasel begins

― latebloomer: Grab my puffy nipples and make a wish. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 08:13 (twenty years ago)

http://imgsrv.madmaxmorningshow.com/image/DbGraphic/200508/139778.jpg

― latebloomer: Grab my puffy nipples and make a wish. (latebloomer), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 08:14 (twenty years ago)

Pop Is Dead.

― elgolfo (elgolfo), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.archielsf.qc.ca/archie/adultes/poptate.gif

STILL ALIVE

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:12 (twenty years ago)

The Ramones and The Clash are not clearly pop groups. Some of their songs are poppy is all.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

The Ramones are probably the poppest guitar-based group since 1972.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

i think the ramones and the clash and most of what we remember of punk was super-pop. maybe not as much so as michael jackson, but still pop.

― lf, Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

the answer's got something to do with weazel, right?

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:08 (twenty years ago)

flying luttenbachers are pop.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 19:13 (twenty years ago)

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