Rolling Salsa Thread 2006

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A mi me gusta el merengue, la bachata, y el reggaeton/pero el sabor que tiene mi salsa la llevo en el corazon

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 6 January 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

Continued from the 2005 thread. . .

I am not into this as a spectator. I'd rather dance at my own limited level than watch a salsa dance troupe with some stupid Mummersesque theme. Salsa dance performances on stage remind me of the criticism made of rock videos (boys playing their guitars on a mountain top, boys playing their guitars in the shower. . .), except instead of boys playing guitars, it's: salsa dancers dressed as mice, salsa dancers dressed as kung-fu masters. These dance troupes usually feel the need to supplement the dancing with some theatrical theme, and yet it's rarely very interesting. Caveat: I haven't actually seen many salsa dance troupe performances, but then that's largely because the ones I've seen haven't been too inspiring. Also, I admit I enjoyed some of the salsa-based performances choreographed by my former teacher's husband, but there are a couple big differences in that case: he danced professionally for a number years with a prominent local jazz dance troupe, and he was choreographing for dance students learning dance in general (not just salsa). It was salsa-flavored jazz/modern dance (at a professional level), rather than pretentious salsa dance.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 6 January 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

That item I forwarded about the salsa dance performances was from an e-mail thing I get put out by a salsa dance teacher. I also get e-mails from a promoter whose brother is a salsa dance teacher, and from another salsa dance teacher. All of them have been regularly plugging such events, which I have never attended(my salsa dancing skills are very limited and I have not chosen to take the time to take all of the lessons I would need to be a more relaxed and graceful dancer). All of them are always urging folks to fly to Puerto Rico and Los Angeles for Salsa Dance Congress events (I think that's what they are called). Although I have never attended such events, based upon what I have seen, I share your apprehensions.

That H20 club in D.C. that Willie Colon is at tonight always starts shows after midnight and parking is a pain, but I really should go even if I can't dance that well and the gf can't go.

curmudgeon, Friday, 6 January 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

I did go to see Colon and his 8 piece band and it was wonderful. Yea, they didn't come onstage till 1:20 a.m. but Colon on trombone, with 2 other trombonists and a sax player all blowing hard accompanied by a pianist, and guys on bongas, congas and timbales, was passionate and powerful. Live salsa can have so much energy. They did a greatest hits set, lots of his '70s material as he's retiring from touring at 55. There were a fair amount of folks dancing and plenty just taking cellphone photos of the now-graying and chunky legend.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Before and after the set the dj played nothing but reggaeton, merengue, and bachata. I think I was one of the few gringos there--I did not really hear much of any English. The show was not well-advertised. I think they just promoted it via flyers and stuff to the folks who go to dance there to djs on Friday nights("international" Fridays; I think it's "urban" Saturdays). Colon did the standard shoutouts to various Caribbean and Latin American nations and locations, and then said in English I recall, "Anyone here from the Bronx." Not too many.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Willie's not a great singer, but he's not bad either. It's not easy to switch back and forth from trombone to vocals.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 10 January 2006 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I was looking at Latin Beat magazine in Tower. It had a bunch of top 10s for 2005. Naturally I have now spaced out and forgotten the name of a cd that popped up on 2 or 3 lists that I wanted to ask about.

Curmudgeon Steve (Steve K), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 05:12 (twenty years ago)

It's kind of funny and charming how every contemporary Cuban band really wishes they could be Earth Wind & Fire.

I haven't seen the new Latin Beat yet (not that I pay close attention to it), but should check it out tomorrow once I get back to work.

I know I didn't say anything about your Willie Colon post, but there's nothing there for me to really bounce off of.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 16 January 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Steve, (in Latin Beat's end of the year lists) was it George Delgado's Mi Ritmo Llego? Not a single track on that that I found exciting. Chino Nunez's It's SHOtime? Some of the horn work is pretty good, but there aren't any songs that really strike home for me on that. Maybe "Asatado." Both of these are Spanish Harlem Orchestra offshoots, and I think they are flooding the market with too much stuff that sounds the same (especially since that same isn't very exciting).

Or was it Sonido Isleño which is a New York Latin jazz band that previously put out some stuff I almost liked (on Tres is the Place).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm getting senile and do not remember. I will have to go back to Tower and take a look.

More big name salsa is coming to DC in February--Tito Nieves on Saturday 2/11 and N'Klabe and a bunch of other groups the following Saturday the 18th.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

We're getting Tito Nieves and merengue band Grupo Mania (I think it is) at the end of January. I'm not sure I'm going.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

The new Orchestra Guayacan Xtremo is not bad so far. I like "A Cali" (which sounds perfectly designed for outdoor summer dancing). There's an okay bachata. Luisito Carrion is in the coro, but I can't pick his voice out.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 January 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Actually that's Guayacan Orquesta. (I could swear I saw it Orchestra Guayacan, which maybe I did, and maybe it was just wrong. You'd think it should be Orquesta Guayacan, but nope.) This will not set the world on fire, but will keep things moving.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 January 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

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Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 22 January 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Libertad Records has a couple promising looking releases, a follow-up to the great collection of obscurities, Lost Salsa Classics and a new CD by Zaperoko, in collaboration with a number of major performers.

http://www.libertadrecords.com/home.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 January 2006 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, this Guayacan Orquesta Xtremo is interesting to me, mostly because: (a) I don't think I've ever liked anything by them before, even though they've been around for a long time (b) most of the songs have unpromising intros (though that's not so uncommon in very commercial salsa, even the stuff I'd consider good) (c) it sometimes sounds amateurish to me (but more positively: there's something intimate about it, almost like a live recording by a local band) and (d) the songs all seem pretty simple. But even though it can sound sort of amateur and it may be very simple material, the band creates some really nice grooves and the often light-sounding vocal harmonies are also very appealing for some reason. Almost every song on here should work as summer dancing material.

I will probably pick up an honest copy of this later on.

(Oh right, duh, "I wonder which track Pappo Lucca is on?" Maybe the one where they call out his name?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 2 February 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

This could be good. (This year, I've rediscovered a couple Isidro Infante songs from about ten years ago.) Infante also appears on the new CD by India.


Isidro Infante
Dancemania Con Isidro Infante
CD (P&I Music 373), Released 2006;
Editor's Pick:
Explosive, long awaited, new salsa release by master pianist, producer and arranger Isidro Infante. This project features a stellar cast of singers including Herman Olivera, Domingo Quiñones, Johnny Rivera, José Alberto (El Canario), Johnny Ventura, Sergio Vargas, Paquito Guzmán, Tito Allen, Wichy Camacho, and members of La Corporación Latina. Also features Johnny Torres, Carlos Henriquez, Luisito Quintero, Piro Rodriguez, Angie Machado, Elias Lópes, Nelson Gonzalez and others.

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/21615.10?evCLPBX8;;517

This Envidia compilation looks pretty good, too, as an overview of their take on current Cuban music:

Various Artists
Cuba Tonight: 60 Éxitos Del Programa Con Más Audiencia En La Radio Musical Cubana - 3-CD Set
CD (Envidia) 2006
Quite an outstanding compilation, a 3-CD set, of material culled from the Envidia label. Features 60 (yes, 60) tracks from the likes of Pedrito Calvo, Felix Valoy Jr., Somos Amigos, Jesus & Havana City, Charanga Forever, Chappottin Y Sus Estrellas, Arnaldo Y La Cosmopolita and many, many others. It's huge. Envidia has arguably become the Fania of Cuban dance music, with a current catalog of over 170 titles. And growing.

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/21611.10?evCLPBX8;;532

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 February 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of reggaeton on the new La India, apparently, including a guest appearance by Ivy Queen.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 February 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hey RS, do you like any of these folks?---

"I Love Salsa Show" with N'Klabe, Voltio, Ismael Miranda, Brenda K.
Starr, Cheo Feliciano, Rey Ruiz, Luisito Carrion, & Moncho Rivera at the Hyatt Capitol Hill, 400 New Jersey Ave. NW in DC

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 3 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I do like N'Klabe, embarrassing though it is to admit it. Voltio is reggaeton and I haven't especially liked what I've heard by him (but he's a commercial and critical success, from what I've see).

Ismael Miranda is a Fania era veteran, and he still has his voice, but he doesn't actually do that much for me.

I haven't heard anything good by Brenda K. Starr, and I don't think I've ever come across anyone who takes her seriously at all.

Cheo Feliciano is probably my favorite sonero evah, but most based on 60-early 80s recordings. He hasn't sounded so good in recent years. I would probably go see him just for the sake of seeing him, since I think he is truly great.

Rey Ruiz is okay. From what little I saw of him this fall, Luisito Carrion is great live, though I fear some of it is cocaine fueled. (I don't actually know this, but there's something a little unnatural about his energy.) He hasn't put out much in the way of solo recordings, but he's been appearing with a lot of Puerto Rican supergroups (Protaginstas de la Salsa, Puerto Rican Masters, Willie Sotelo Y La Mundial De La Salsa), as well as some other projects (Ivan Cáceres Y Su Bongolandia). I think he's overdue to release something solo. On the down side, he has a rather mucousy sound, which can be a bit gross. I don't know what that's all about.

Moncho Rivera I don't know, but have a feeling I should.

Overall it doesn't sound like as good or interesting a line-up as the one for the "For the Love of Salsa" mega-show Phiadelphia hosted back in the fall, but it's not bad.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 February 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Incidentally, I've commented on just about all of those names before, which leaves me feeling that your actual interest is minimal.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

(Although I guess an excuse to babble is a good thing.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

My interest is more than "minimal", it's just I'm tired this morning, plus sometime I try to dabble so much across the musical spectrum that I forget some stuff unless it's pounded in my head more than once. That and I have lots else going on that takes up space in my brain(not that you don't). Sorry dude--I really appreciate your passion and knowledge, and did not mean to make you rehash things you have already said.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 3 February 2006 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Give Luisito some more [whatever he is on]! (I'm not sure why I think anyone here would want this enough to wait for it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

From the previews available to me, I'd say the new India CD is pretty bad. Mostly I just find her singing boring.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 4 February 2006 01:55 (nineteen years ago)

Just heard a Jose Alberto song that has to be from the new Isidro Infante album, and it was definitely good. This could turn out to be a genuinely really good year for salsa. Also, I think it's probably basically positive that some people are absorbing elements of reggaeton. Maybe salsa will chew reggaeton up and spit it out? No, I don't think so, but it does kind of show it's capacity to incorporate other rhythms. Salseros have a lot of practice doing that.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

Did I say (on this thread?) that I bought Zaperoko 3? I especially like "Tributo a Frankie" which, toward the end, has a passage of jamming that reminds me of Fela. (Would work well in a "world music" set with Afrobeat.) Overall the CD reminds me a bit of Ray Barretto's salsa in its combination of jazziness with often very upfront and regular clave (being explicitly tapped out). Sadly, the singer strikes me as the weakest link--not that I would call him bad, just not real inspiring. Rotating vocalists would have improved things. Still, a good, maybe very good, album. Certainly heads and shoulders above most of what's being put out in the genre lately.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 6 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I haven't tasted or tested any of this on the dance floor yet, and my guess is that it will work very well. Whoever Tony Jimenez is, I like his work on this as timbalero.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

Grammy winner for best salsa/merengue album:

Willy Chirino: Son del Alma

I'm not sure exactly who his fanbase is (other than the obvious: some of the Latino community in Miami and maybe Cuban immigrants in general, though I'm not even so sure about that). His win isn't being greeted with much enthusiasm in either the Cuban music or salsa discussion groups I read. I don't think I've ever heard anything by him that's made much impression. As far as I know, I've never come across any fans of his.

It probably should have gone to Mayito Rivera for Llego la Hora.

I'm happy to see Eddie Palmieri get another Grammy, though I was not into Listen Here!. (Also, off topic, that Dave Holland Band album that one seems like it would be really good for the type of thing it is, from what I've heard of it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

The Isidro Infante/Jose Alberto was "Pegaso." Definitely good, although this Infante album has a lot of what seem to me to be pointless covers.

And it has a reggaeton-flavored track, there's an idea.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 19 February 2006 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oops. A friend just helpfully pointed out that that's not Ismael Rivera up there but Ismael Miranda, which I knew, but nevertheless isn't what I typed.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 20 February 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yea, I noticed that also. Moncho Rivera is Ismael Rivera's nephew by the way. I did go to the show. RS, your advance takes were pretty accurate (although I am not yet convinced about your Carrion allegations). Miranda was great.

Curmudgeon (Steve K), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

I know you went, because a friend forwarded me your review! (And then I showed her this thread, and she pointed out my error in identifying Miranda.) I didn't realize Moncho Rivera was related to El Maelo.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

The review got shortened for space reasons but still basically conveyed what I wanted to say.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
If I was available on Sunday, which I am not, I could learn more and dance. I got the below in an e-mail from a DC salsa dance teacher, Eileen Torres-

"Second Sunday Salsa at Zanzibar begins March 12 at 6:00 pm. Eileen delivers the salsa history presentation, Origins & Development of Salsa featuring video clips from the 40s and 50s of Machito, Tito Puente, Tito Rodriguez, Perez Prado, Rafael Cortijo with Ismael Rivera Orq. De La Luz, and more. This is a must for music fans. DJ Bruno “El Unico and Mike “El Sonero” play until 11 pm. RELAXED DRESS CODE. Cover $10."

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

Another mostly flabby release from Gilberto Santa Rosa, judging by brief samples.

The new Michael Stuart looks more promising (and I know he's capable of goood things, since I've seen him perform live, even if I've never heard any recordings by him that I've liked):

MICHAEL STUART
Album Title: Back to Da' Barrio
Producer(s): Guillermo Calderón, Michael Stuart
Genre: LATIN
Label/Catalog Number: Machete Music
Source: Billboard Magazine
Originally Reviewed: March 18, 2006

The norm of late in Latin music is albums with reggaetón versions of pop or salsa tracks. Here, the reverse is true. On his first album with Machete after a stint with Universal Music Latino, Stuart delivers salsa versions of reggaetón hits like "Mayor Que Yo" and "Pobre Diabla." As much as this is a ploy, we have to admit it works. These are essentially dance tracks and putting them into another dance format is rhythmically natural as well as catchy for the listener who already knows the songs. It also helps that Stuart's salsa is old-school aggressive, the percussion is in your face, and there is a total absence of sappiness. "Ella y Yo," performed here as a soneo-laden duet with Tito Rojas, is a throwback to an earlier, less slick sound that is most welcome for this sanitized genre. —Leila Cobo

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

A couple new Andy Montañez projects (assuming these are both by the same Andy Montañez I'm thinking of):

Salsa Con Reggaeton

Andy Montañez has already collaborated with some reggaeton figures (including Daddy Yankee, I think, but also others). I think he has the capacity to work within a salsaton framework without dumbing down his singing and without coming off as ridiculous.

Líneas Paralelas - Andy Montañez & Pablo Milanes

Descarga.com says: Highly anticipated collaborative project by two giants: Puerto Rico's Andy Montañez and Cuba's Pablo Milanes. Rich salsa and lush ballads too. It's Milanes's first shot at salsa - and he gets high marks here. This pair prove to be perfect partners in harmony. I loved the tres-driven son-salsa number "Alllá En La Altura" and the title track, "Líneas Paralelas" — with Papo Lucca on piano — will be an eventual classic.

I have to admit though, my enthusiasm for Andy Montañez is based more on the one time I saw him live. On recordings, he doesn't all hit my ear right. I am almost sure the problem is with me though, because he was so great live (and because he recorded for a while with El Gran Combo, and probably must be on some of their songs that I like).

Also, there's a new Yuri Buenaventura CD, but I consider him very uneven. However, it sounds like there might be at least a couple strong tracks on it.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still unhappy with the apparently growing emphasis on salsa dance performances. People go to salsa conferences to see other itty-bitty salsa troupes perform. I've never been to one. Maybe it would be great and inspiring, but I generally get more excited by watching good social dancing, than by watch good staging dancing (where salsa is concerned anyway).

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

There's a track-listing now for the Andy Montanez album, with guest artists listed. (I mean, I'm assuming this is a new album, maybe this just collects previous collaborations?):

1. Se Le Ve - (featuring Daddy Yankee)
2. Tan Bella - (featuring Cheka)
3. En Mi Puertorro - (featuring Voltio)
4. Con Fuego - (featuring John Eric)
5. Sacude La Mata
6. Cuando No Es Juan, Es Juana
7. Parece Lluvia
8. Salsaton - (featuring John Eric/La Sister)
9. Yo No Quiero Que Seas Celosa
10. Cafe Colao - (featuring Crooked Stilo)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

Also, there is now a release date set for the new Victor Manuelle.

http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=7060153&style=music&cart=323496047&BAB=M

:)

I was going to give up on him after Travesia--but an Eddie Palmieri guest spot! So I might be buying this one after all.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.victormanuellesonero.com/

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

That is worth looking forward to. I actually even like him in his slick crossover mode.

Unrelated thought--I took my gf to see the Celia Cruz exhibit at the Smithsonian(it's been extended through September). Wow, that footage of her in the 70s with the Fania band is awesome. The rhythms are just so powerful, and she is so skillful and enthusiastic.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:26 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately the VM will probably be: one or two duets with India (since he's going to be touring with her, along with EP), a couple reggaeton-inflected tracks (which may overlap with the India tunes, and could be good), four or five lame songs in the general mode of his past four albums, and one or two good ones with Eddie Palmieri. (I like his older slick stuff, but I still say I hear a big different between his pre-1999 work and what came after.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Track-list for the new VM album. Two tracks with EP. I would have liked more, but that's better than one. A couple reggaeton collaborations, as expected. Apparently no India collaborations--that's good.

1. Perdedor, El
2. Nuestro Amor Se Ha Vuelto Ayer
3. Vamos De Nuevo - (with Hector)
4. Puerto Rico 2006 - (with Eddie Palmieri)
5. Maldita Suerte
6. Nunca Habia Llorado Asi - (with Don Omar)
7. Dos Generaciones - (with Eddie Palmieri)
8. A Que Te Supo
9. Cenizas
10. Hazme Sentir
11. Nuestro Amor Se Ha Vuelto Ayer

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I think Eddie P is on a track on the new India cd (that you disliked based on previews).I saw it in Target(where I saw the "Now Latin" cd, modeled after those Now! English language top 40 hit collections). They had that Michael Stuart cd too. I should buy the Stuart one I think.

curmudgeon (Steve K), Sunday, 9 April 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't hear Palmieri was on the India CD. I know the three of them are touring together, or are going to be touring together, but I didn't think he was actually on her album. (Maybe I just missed it.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I've been listening again to Fruko's "Cachondea" (a Joe Cuba cover I think?) and "Cali de Rumba" (both from 2000). That stuff still really kills.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I found the video for "Cachondea" last night. It's pretty sleazy, but I guess it gets the energy across.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

The link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ymT-9iv2cM&search=fruko

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 9 April 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've just identified a cover of "Usted Abuso" that I've been hearing now and then. It's a great smooth vibes-based version from 2004, by Son Boricua. I didn't realize that Jimmy Sabater (who I don't really like on recordings made in his heyday) is the male vocalist. He duets with a female vocalist whose name I don't recognize, Ada Chabrier. Reminds me a bit of Yolanda Rivera and Haila (who also covered this song).

http://musicstore.mymmode.com/album.do?albumID=8370766

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 2 August 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Oscar D'Leon will appear on a track on the new Tego Calderon album. Dear god, please don't let D'Leon try rapping again.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

The new Ivy Queen has been pushed back to November! What is she up to? I guess I should post this on the reggaeton thread, but since I'm virtually the only person who posts on that any more, I might as well put it here.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

The video is a bit crap (because I've gone British), but the song is great: Michael Stuart's "Mayor Que Yo" again.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 16 August 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Oscar D'Leon is coming back to DC around the 25th, and Tego Calderon was just here at the George Mason University Patriot Center Arena (I missed the show--Hector the Father and others were on the bill). My busy work and parenting schedule continues to keep me from offering anything substantive here.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Thursday, 17 August 2006 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

D'Leon is coming out with his own salsaton-oriented album (with a cameo appearance by Tego Calderon), but the clips I've heard don't sound too promising. I like the occasional song, but I find a lot of his work too cutesy somehow.

To recapitulate, since the question sort of came up on another thread, my pick for top three salsa albums this year would be:

1. Michael Stuart: Back to da Barrio [obviously]
2. Andy Montanez: Salsaton
3. Guayacan Orquesta: Xtremo

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Promising CD from a Colombian expat.:

http://www.albertocaicedo.com/new.html

It sounds to me like he's imitiating the Cuban Mayito Rivera a little bit, but maybe it's just a more generalized Cuban tinge. I wonder if that's primarily to please audiences in the Netherlands (where it wouldn't surprise me if timba is more popular than salsa), or if he likes the sound. Notice that this is yet another former member of Grupo Niche.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 30 August 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of salsa videos here, mostly the masters:

http://www.myspace.com/vinilemania

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, Cheo Feliciano singing with Eddie Palmieri.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 5 September 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

From the Sunday NY Times

31ST NEW YORK SALSA FESTIVAL As the world wakes up to the greatness of the salsa singer Hector Lavoe in anticipation of the new Marc Anthony-Jennifer Lopez biopic, it seems an easy call for Ralph Mercado’s annual salsa festival to organize itself around salsa’s fallen martyr. Lavoe’s brilliant old collaborator Willie Colón will be there, as well as other figures from 70’s New York salsa like Cheo Feliciano, Ismael Miranda and Yomo Toro. Madison Square Garden. Sept. 16. (Ben Ratliff)

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Monday, 11 September 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm talking about salsa on the what are you listening to thread tonight.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

That show should be pretty good. Maybe great, although some of the featured veterans are well past their prime. (I love Cheo Feliciano, but he's not the same powerhouse he was from the 60's through early 80's.) Ismael Miranda's voice seems to be going really strong, but I don't think he's as engaging a sonero as Cheo.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone download this now: Bobby Valentin/Marvin Santiago - El Jibaro Y La Naturaleza

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

I went out tonight and only got to dance one dance, but the club was much emptier than usually, probably because it had rained earlier (which I hadn't even realized until I got there). "Oye Como Va" with a stranger--dancing cha cha cha tends to be riskier* than dancing salsa. There were some bumpy points, but I pulled out some good stuff during a blaze of electric guitar and my partner fell into it beautifully.

*I have more control in salsa, and I can do more moves. A lot of people can handle the cha cha cha basic, but have trouble following turns, beyond the most basic right turn. Also, in Philadelphia I run into lots of Puerto Rican women who are apparently used to dancing it on the 1 rather than on-2, so that can create confusion.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 11 September 2006 04:11 (nineteen years ago)

Someone is much too enthusiastic about Victor Manuelle:

Puerto Rican Salsa God Victor Manuelle takes his audience by surprise with his 2006 release, Decision Unamine. Just when you thought that this guy couldn't get any better, the writing couldn't get catchier, the arrangements funkier, or Manuelle himself sound any stronger, a label change and one salsero's steely determination breaks all expectations. Covering wider musical territory than in past efforts, including rollicking samba breakdown sections and slinky Santana-esque Latin rock cha chas, there is a bit of the unexpected around every corner. His move from longtime label Sony Discos to Norte is a surprising shift, which may or may not have a relationship to Manuelle's seemingly renewed vigor and creativity. With some notable guests, including Eddie Palmieri, Domingo Quiñones, and Cheo Feliciano, Manuelle's place at the head of the salsa family's table has become clear. Not many artists get salsa legends to sing coro on their record. Decision Unamine is a bold statement both in its title and in the punch that it packs. This could be the year's finest commercial salsa release. The ballots are in, the votes have been counted and the decision is unanimous. ~ Evan C. Gutierrez, All Music Guide

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

RIP: Tommy Olivencia.

Discography (possibly partial):

La nueva sensación musical de Puerto Rico (1965)

Jala-Jala y guaguancó (1966)

Fire Fire (1967)

A toda máquina (1968)

Cuero... salsa y sentimiento (1971)

Secuestro (1972)

Juntos de nuevo (1974)

Planté bandera (1975)

Introducing Lalo Rodríguez and Simón Pérez (1976)

El Negro Chombo (1977)

La Primerísima (1978)

Sweet Trumpet-Hot Salsa (1978)

Tommy Olivencia y su orquesta con Paquito Guzmán & Gilberto Santa
Rosa
(1979)

Un triángulo de triunfo (1981)

Tommy Olivencia y su orquesta con Frankie Ruiz & Carlos Alexis
(1983)

Celebrando otro aniversario (1984)

Ayer, hoy, mañana y siempre (1985)

30 Aniversario (1987)

El Jeque (1990)

Enamorado... ¡y qué! (1991)

Vive la leyenda (1998)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 24 September 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

I bought Tommy Olivencia's Plante Bandera recently. I like the band, but I am afraid I don't like the sound of Chamaco Ramírez's voice, at all. His capabilities as an improvising sonero are legendary, and lots of very in the know salseros list him among their top soneros, but the voice is a big turn-off for me, and unless I some day know Spanish, the improvisational stuff will go right past me. Rhythmically, his approach reminds me at times of Marvin Santiago, who I'd much rather listen to. He's also compared to Ismael Rivera, who I still don't quite love but often like, but whose voice I've gotten to like. There is a genuine richness to it. (I think Nina said he has a whiskey voice. Hi Nina, Googling again and find my uninformative posts?)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 24 September 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Salsa musician, orchestra leader, Tommy Olivencia, dies at 64

The Associated Press

September 24, 2006, 12:04 PM EDT


SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico--Puerto Rican salsa musician Tommy Olivencia, a trumpeter who led the famed La Primerisima orchestra and helped create the musical foundations for salsa musicians in the island, has died. He was 64.

Olivencia died Friday, said Evelyn Alicea, of the Ehret funeral home, where his body will be brought.

Olivencia died from cardiac and renal failure due to complications associated with a drop in blood sugar, El Nuevo Dia reported. He fainted at his home in Carolina and was taken to a local hospital, where he was declared dead, the newspaper said.

Angel Tomas ``Tommy'' Olivencia Pagan founded in the 1960s La Primerisima, which was known among salsa musicians as the ``Escuelita (little school)'' because it was a laboratory of top singers. In over 40 years, he recorded more than 22 records, including the hits ``Trucutu'' and ``Verdad amarga.''

``Tommy was a very unique figure because the orchestra that he created at the beginning of the 1960s became the formative base of Puerto Rican singers and musicians who later went on to become the big names on the musical scene,'' said Hiram Guadalupe, author of the book, ``History of Salsa.''

Olivencia is survived by his wife, Paquita, and four children.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/caribbean/sfl-0924puertoricosalsa,0,1329666,print.story

Among those to have belonged to the band at one time or another were: Chamaco Ramirez, Sammy "El Rolo" González, Simon Perez, Paquito Guzman, Ubaldo "Lalo" Rodriguez, Gilberto Santa Rosa, Marvin Santiago, Frankie Ruiz, Hector Tricoche, Carlos Alexis, Hector "Pichie" Perez, Paquito "Junior" Acosta and Mel Martínez.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Olivencia

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Monday, 25 September 2006 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

I finally found a song I'd been wondering about for years. Actually I turned out to have a live version of it in mp3 form. Did I actually not notice it was the same song?

Anyway, great ultra-catchy club salsa song, "Beso a Beso" sung by. . . Luisito Carrion! That means I have liked him practically the whole time I've been dancing, without knowing his name for much of that time. The song used to get played a lot when I first started dancing, but then it disappeared. It turns out the song was already about five years old at the time, so it probably wasn't being played because it was still so popular, but because a certain DJ kept playing it (and I do associate it with a particular club, whose DJ tends to really repeat himself). Oh man, so good.

Beso a beso
Beso a beso
mmmmwwwwwaaaaaahhhhhh

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 2 October 2006 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

It is now on order

Beso a beso!
mmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh!

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 2 October 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

While we are Luisito Carrion, his "Agua" song (I don't think that's the whole title) is incredible.

R_S (RSLaRue), Monday, 2 October 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

As very poppy salsa goes, this new NG2 seems promising. Judging by the samples, there is at least some stylistic variety. I could see this taking off much more than their debut, which had a lot of interesting stuff going on, but was too messy and ended up sounding overproduced. These songs seem much more stripped down (again, based on samples): not a lot of synth or obvious studio effects, no salsaton or timba references (though that's harder to guess about basde on quickie samples). It definitely sounds more interesting that the latest Frankie Negron offering, which I think would be someone working a similar vein of salsa.

http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?z=y&EAN=828768909829&itm=1

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://waxpoetics.com/issues/issue_19/cover.jpg

http://waxpoetics.com/issues/issue_19/

Wax Poetics has put out a Latin Music/NYC issue. I bought it. It's not essential, but it's nicely put together and has some great photography. If you are into Bataan, then it might be worth getting since it's a pretty good interview, I think. (I don't know that much about his career though, so I might be easily impressed.) There's also an article on salsa in Colombia (mainly 70s bands), which mostly repeats things that can be found in Lise Waxer's book on Colombian salsa (which the article's author mentions). And there are some other salsa and Brazilian related things.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://waxpoetics.com/issues/issue_19/cover.jpg

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, never mind the cover.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

There's also this fairly interesting set of proposals about where salsa dura ("hard salsa") should head. I don't agree with everything here (particularly the somewhat negative assessment of late 70s salsa, which I like at least as much as any other period of classic salsa, and possibly even more than any other period), but there are some good practical ideas in it.

http://www.descarga.com/cgi-bin/db/archives/Article22?4QN3Pc4x;;146

The fact that there's so much emphasis in the article on the need to find appropriate material to cover is a reflection of the fairly weak salsa songwriting of late, and the tendency for self-consiously "salsa dura" bands to do a lot of pointless third-rate covers of classics everyone already knows. (I think Michael Stuart's Back to da Barrio proves that reggaeton songs are a surprisingly fertile source of material that can be transformed into salsa. I'm sure the authors would disagree with me.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting. Yea, he advocates old Cuban and Brazilian songwriting, but doesn't mention any contemporary Latin-American styles. I'm with you RS and your Michael Stuart example.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, he does mention some contemporary Cuban writers I think (or maybe it's just arrangers).

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

"Pre Thanksgiving Holiday Bash-Don’t miss this night when the house will be filled to the rafters. DJ Broadway, from NYC will be driving down with a car full of vinyl. Be sure to check out the album covers in DJ booth windows. The spotlight will be on music by “El Maestro” Johnny Pacheco. There will also be a dance show featuring couples and duos. Confirmed performers-Psionmauricio & partner, Tom Bui and partner, Karen Aguilar & partner with more to come." Contact eileen if you are interested in performing a choreographed number as a couple or a duo."

More performance dancing. Plus, who's DJ Broadway?

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh goodie, more salsa dance troupe performances. As I'm pointed out to you, there is a growing backlash to this among some salseros. A few dance performances here and there, okay, but many of us consider it very secondary to the collective, open-ended, ritual of social salsa dancing.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yea, I knew you didn't like 'em (not my thing either). I just posted that to show that they haven't yet gone away, and I was curious about the dj.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

As I'm pointed out to you

My attention was divided between eating lunch and posting.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Listening to "Dile" from Siembra. I sometimes forget just how good this album is. Despite repeatedly talking about it, I almost don't believe my own hype, but generally when I hear anything from it, I am immediately impressed all over again.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Guayacan Orquesta: "Hay Amor Cuando Hablan Las Miradas"

(That should be Dime not Dile up there in my last post.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Some major acts still have albums coming out (or have just put them out) in what's left of this year: El Gran Combo and Sonora Carruseles, in particular. If salsa releases dry up again in 2007, I could spend more time catching up with this year's batch.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Live concert footage (with comparatively decent sound) of Grupo Niche doing a very nice extended "Cali Pachanguero":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-iCb40RvfE

(This is probably from 1999/2000, although I don't remember exactly when the female was in the group. Anyway, it's not the current line-up.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

Other footage from what seems to be the same concert says 1997, actually.

This is a good song too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Vp53edAPk&mode=related&search=

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 27 October 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

Sonora Poncena w/ Yolandita Rivera (medley):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22ZQ_XnL2gA

(She played one timbale solo when I saw her last fall too.)

R_S (RSLaRue), Saturday, 28 October 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Spanish Harlem Orchestra has left the small Libertad label, and Chino Nunez has apparently left the band to go solo, being replaced by Luisito Quintero. A new album is due to come out next year.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 16 November 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Stuart's Back to da Barrio is still the best salsa album I've heard this year, by far.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 16 November 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody heard the new Sonora Carruseles yet? Oh right, wrong place to ask.

R_S (RSLaRue), Thursday, 16 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://mms.businesswire.com/bwapps/mediaserver/ViewMedia?mgid=82116&vid=4

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is really poorly written.

Universal Motown / Coalition Music Group Presents ''Los Cocorocos''
Wednesday November 15, 2:51 pm ET
The Union of Salsa & Reggaeton

MIAMI--(BUSINESS WIRE)--"LOS COCOROCOS" is the first release to be launched by indie CMG (Coalition Music Group) distributed by Universal/MOTOWN. A young label with a clear vision of the required elements needed in today's Latin music industry, CMG, braves the new waters with projects that will certainly feed the ambitions of a market hungry for new options. As Lou Navarro, President/CEO for CMG comments - "We want to take Latin music and boost it by injecting new elements that will make it more appealing to a broader market".
Source: Universal Motown Records


· Coalition Music Group/Universal Motown release Los Cocorocos (Photo: Business Wire). View Multimedia Gallery

"LOS COCOROCOS" is born from the idea to relive the famed 70's clubs that thrived nightly throughout the Caribbean specifically in San Juan, Puerto Rico. There, loyal fans met their musical icons greeting the morning-after till the wee hours of the day with continuous dancing and singing.

"LOS COCOROCOS" is the ideal CD of the true salsa fan - the type who idolizes the classic sounds yet allows it to easily weave and breed new sounds such as urban reggaeton as it happily cohabitates with a younger, more hip crowd. It's a release that will pass from a hit...to a sure classic, to a collector's most ambitious masterpiece. It's concept; the content and the exponents only happen because of the dire need to participate in this historical gathering. It's a production that must be danced, felt and inspire as it unites generations with generations; grandparents, siblings and grandkids.

- "To say COCOROCO -is to justify that my grandfather was a fan of Daniel Santos, Tito Lara, Bobby Capo and Beny More; It's to say that he fell in love with my grandmother on a magical night as both of them closely danced...very "apanchangao" a exquisite bolero by Tito Rodriguez...".- Gallego -

"LOS COCOROCOS" is history in the making. A release full of original tracks interlaced with salsa classics. It's composed of 13 songs masterfully interpreted by solo artists, duos or trios joining to perform the best of the best: "Los Hombres Tienen La Culpa", by Gilberto Santa Rosa & Don Omar, "Che Che Cole" by Tego Calderon & Victor Manuelle, "Dos Jueyes" by Zion and Domingo Quinones, "Perdona Viejo" by Papo Rosario of the legendary Gran Combo and his son Aniel Rosario; "Claro de Luna" by Voltio, and "Los Gorditos" by Tito Nieves, Pedro Brull y John Eric, just to mention a few. This production has musical arrangements by Charlie Donato, Domingo Quinones, Jose Lugo and Willie Sotello

INTRODUCCION - Written by Gallego

The CD starts with a spoken declaration by Gallego accompanied by the "tumbao" of the congas as he narrates the story, the essence, the respect, the pride and the life of the "COCOROCO", recorded at Estudios V.I and mixed by Junito.

-"To say COCOROCO, is to say that Hector Lavoe and Willy Colon were present in my mom's graduation and that the Americans had landed in the moon but had still not mastered how to dance salsa-

-"To say COCOROCO .- ".is to bow to "guasibiri", "tribili", "mamo amalga"..."-

-"To say COCOROCO is to say that rap and reggaeton are the continuation of the endless need to communicate what is happening in the streets and how our lives are influenced by the music we hear...it's to say that the" old" salsa is first blood cousin to rap and reggaeton" -

"LOS HOMBRES TIENEN LA CULPA - Gilberto Santa Rosa & Don Omar.

Is the debut single of this release and an original by producer Charlie Donato. Recorded at "Major League Music Studios", with Corey Hill as sound engineer and mixed by Marioso. Masterfully interpreted by the "Caballero of Salsa", Gilbert Santa Rosa and the Don of reggae ton, DON OMAR, the single has found its' way rapidly up the charts in the US and Puerto Rico.

OTHER TRACKS....

"DOS JUEYES" - Zion & Domingo Quinones.
"CHE CHE COLE" -Tego Calderon & Victor Manuelle
"MAL AGUERO" - Domingo Quinones & La Sista
"PERDONA VIEJO"- Papo Rosario del Gran Combo and son ARIEL Rosario
"LOS GORDITOS" - Pedro Brull, John Eric & Tito Nieves
"AHI VIENE MISTA" - Mista
"MULATA RUMBERA" - Junior Gonzalez y Plaza
"ESA NENA" - Jaking y Maximo
"MAFO CREW" - Mafo Crew
"LA WASA" - La Symphonia
"CLARO DE LUNA" - VOLTIO

However doubtful I am that most of this will be any good, I'll probably have to get it. I'm really sick of Gilberto Santa Rosa, Victor Manuelle, and Tito Nieves at this point, and I don't especially like Pedro Brull.

R_S (RSLaRue), Friday, 17 November 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

New Luisito Carrion CD (with Diego Gale as producer) coming out soon. Sounds like it's mostly going to be versions of his old hits though.

R_S (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Your stumping for it got me to check out the Montanez cd. I was initially kind of disappointed that there weren't more obvious reggaeton leanings, but accepting it for what it is, it's a really fun album.

RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, now I kind wish I had come back and said that while it had some good tracks on it, a lot of it is just okay at best. The ones I think are really good (which made me rate it so highly): Se Le Ve, En Mi Puertorro, and Parece Lluvia. Pretty good: Cafe Colao, Salsatón. The rest include some cuts I am likely to skip.

I literally just yesterday dropped my ranking of this in my list of 2006 CDs. :( (Plus the way things are shaping up, there are some promising November/December releases that haven't come out yet, or that I haven't heard.) The Michael Stuart album is still far and away the best, but it's not salsaton.

Maybe I can send you my end of the year mix to make up for this.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Anybody heard the new Sonora Carruseles yet? Oh right, wrong place to ask.
-- R_S (Al__suca...), November 16th, 2006.

What are they saying about it on the yahoo e-mail list, or other chatboards? I've been listening to mostly Brazilian stuff lately, not salsa.

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, they aren't saying anything. Sonora Carruseles seems to be looked at as a starter band, so to speak, something that people go beyond. But they have put out some pretty strong songs in the past, and they usually have some good vocalists working with them (Gambino Pampini in particular).

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm all for the idea of a Rockist Scientist EOY mix. : )

RODNEY HAVE TOO MANY EMOTHINS!!! (R. J. Greene), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's just basically going to be more salsa though, but at least you'll know what your getting and you will not have paid anything.

R_S (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)


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