So are house & techno just plain dead now?

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I WANNA MOVE WHEN I HEAR THIS FUNKY HOUSE GROOVE! *GIGANTIC OPEN HATS*

i don't know, every time i'm down the record shop, absolutely NO house/techno records appeal to me. i mean, love the old stuff, but i find it very hard to get into any of the current records. i still love new hip hop records, though, as i always have.

i typed without looking at the screen just then, i have decided to leave your name as it is,

something crazier out there for me?

(i dislike all armand van helden after 2000)

I... like it when it gets brainy/nerdy or post-2000 idm-ish :( shit. That's probably your answer right there. Until Vahid comes to the thread with a list of 200 great straight house records produced post-2000.

The walkaway success of that fecking awful Madonna record has got me wondering about the place of 'big' dance albums these days though. And that maybe there could still be one. Other than Mylo or Royksopp, both of which are very easy-listening efforts :/

Wondering if any current underground (well, it is by chart/UK standards) producers will ever manage to produce one in an environment (UK) basically completely hostile to anything not "bad enough (arctic, strokes is are examples)" existing in isolation.

I know the whole "dance album" thing is kinda contentious as a "does it even matter?" issue. But casting aside "dance for rock kids" snobbery... I don't know where I'm going with this really. Help.

- minimal
- more minimal minimal
- bloody hell its a minimal album
- clearly not minimal (i blame the noise ysi thread for this one)

ive never heard of any of those artists before. its a jungle out there!

Stuff from recent years that I would recommend:

1) V/A: Mei Lwun - Uno Records Mix (2004)
Probably my favourite predominantly-"vocal house" mix ever. Simultaneously commercially oriented and sonically audacious, and with the perfect mix of US and Euro influences.

2) V/A: M.A.N.D.Y. - Get Physical 2nd Anniversary Mix (2004)
Probably the best/most consistent electro-house mix even though it's all from the one label. Deep, dubby, buzzing, compulsive, epic... and a must for fans of Chicago house.

3) V/A: DJ Naughty - One Night In Berlin (2005)
Fantastic and fantastically sleazy mix of colourful, dynamic electro/italo/house old & new, veers expertly between pop drama and jacking intensity.

4) V/A: Tiefschwarz - Mish Masch (2004)
Not so much for the mix-cd which is just good, but definitely for the second CD of Tiefschwarz's mixes of other people's work. Muscular yet intricate, focused but widescreen, it's a great example of how current producers can hammer out an aesthetic which is immediately identifiable but also incredibly broad-ranging and unpredictable.

5) V/A: Johnny Rock & Matt Styles or something like that - See You @ the Party (2004)
Mix of tracks from Music For Freaks, makes a great case for the proposition that US house is actually more experimental and vital than European stuff (copyright Vahid 2004) - endlessly delightful, tightly coiled syncopated grooves, like Perlon for people with short attention spans (and I mean that in the best possible way).

More suggestions forthcoming! The above aren't necessarily "the best" of the last few years, just the first that started popping into my head.

I really love "Adventure", the third track on One Night In Berlin, that track is such brilliant brutal pop, it reminds me of some of the heavier vocal 2-step tracks.

Also there's an awesome DJ Naughty mix of Jean Winner's "Alive & Kicking" on Freeform Five's Misch Masch mix, which reminds me a lot of my imagined genre of epic post-acid house pop.

Beautiful!

Loving it already, and as I'm in for a long night, I needed something like this.

Thank you!

I was trying to think of more recommendations for Adam and couldn't think of anything quite as extreme as the DJ Naughty mix!

I guess the other Glimmers mix to get would be the first Culture Club comp, probably their most populist mix to date.

The other one which comes to mind is Erol Alkan's One Louder mix for Muzik Magazine from 2003. Just look at this ace tracklisting:

1) Playgroup - Make It Happen (Zongamin Mix) (pasteurised disco funk!)
2) Mitsu - Hush (always loved this tune to death! Those vocals! Should have been on a double a-side with Annie's "The Greatest Hit")
3) Duran Duran - Girls On Film (Night Version) (best version of this classixor track!)
4) The Faint - The Conductor (Thin White Duke Mix) (melodrama! Although sadly not the whole track is played)
5) Codec & Flexor - Crazy Girls (big big favourite of mine from late '01 - blunt would hate this as it's slyly intoned robotic English male vocals over sexy stiff leather electro-house groove! By Germans! Oh no!)
6) Headman - It Rough (Chicken Lips Remix) (Rough dubbed out punk house, the weakest thing so far only by default! Check that jurassic house percussion!)
7) Goldfrapp - Train (Ewan Pearson Dub)/Benni Benassi - Satisfaction (Acapella) (you know it!)
8) Grand Popo Football Club - Men Are Not Nice Guys (Goldrun Remix) (this time they're not kidding! Every remix of this tune was ace)
9) Gilleron & McArthur - Now It's Dark (suddenly the lights went out and Timothy no longer knew where the door was! Whoosh!)
10) Kiko - Italiomatic (Kiko & The Hacker Remix)/Alex Gopher - Party People (Acapella) (The Atlas to Vitalic's Astroboy! Or should that be the other way round!)
11) Ferenc - Yes Sir I Can Hardcore (the hideous revenge of the spurned monster riff!)
12) Archigram - Doggystyle (You know it! Part 2)
13) Uminski - Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger (Rock!)

(full disclosure: i'm a teensy bit drunk)

Laurent Garnier - The Man With The Red Face!

I second the recommendation for Glimmers DJ Kicks. That's what disco punk should sound like.

http://www.discogs.com/release/242763

Here's my question.

Take ANY group of heads. Hip-hop. Rock. Speed. Bebop.

Folks who've spent years doing the equivalent of digging through crates. Don't even focus on music...go to comic book readers, or romance writers.

The more music you're familiar with, the harder it is for new music to move you. Once you get to that saturation point, everything sounds rote. Only a few ways to come out of the other side of that:

* Make your own tracks.

* Stop listening to the music for a while. A LONG while.

* Start listening to a new genre.

* Only listen to music from period X.

As you were.....

LKS

http://www.igetrvng.com/shop_mx4.html

It's really good, if so. the rest looks good too.

http://www.discogs.com/release/330728

http://images.juno.co.uk/full/CS185749-01A-BIG.jpg

cuz its sleeve screamed at me white on black: BUY ME! I'M A DOPE RECORD!

i was spelled or something

juno claims it's deep house but sounds like pure good house

scene has gone the way of all aged scenes. back underground, diehard fans still loving it and making mad stuff for each other...

tracx liszt anyone?

-- Disco Nihilist

re-released on defected! heard it in HMV the other day, sandwiched awkwardly between some godawful poptrance & godawful Beck.

There hasn't been a post about Richard Humpty Vission on this messageboard in almost 5 years, so I thought I'd revive this thread for that express purpose:

Richard "Humpty" Vission!
Bad! Boy! Bill!

Just had to get that out of my system. Deej, you still listen to this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9yaEJ-bE4o

I have what may be a naïve question and didn’t think it was worth starting a new thread to ask it, so thought I’d put it here: I’ve been buying house and techno 12”s for over two decades without ever considering the economics of it (probably because I came to electronic music via punk). Now, I’m acquainted via work with several rock and indie artists, and from what I am told, to release a record on vinyl is something of an ordeal: it’s exorbitantly expensive, takes forever, and is generally a major pain in the ass. On the flipside, techno producers (and labels) seem to dispatch these singles practically overnight (I know it’s more complicated than that, which is why I wrote “seem to.”). I don’t think it’s a matter of it being cheaper to press a single (I’ve never pressed a record myself, but I know enough to know that plating is the same cost regardless of how much or how little music in on it, or what speed the record plays at). So how are these white label dance 12”s getting into shops (and on boomkat) so quickly, and how the hell are these guys and gals recouping their costs? (I guess the same question could apply to bootleg LPs). Is there a secret underground network of pressing plants who only deal with super limited runs and / or dance music?

There are guys out there that do lathe cuts that are pretty much like dubbing a tape, except straight into the vinyl. It's expensive as fxxx, but it is a way some people have cut DJ 12 inches (or any type of ultra small run records). For really small runs though, you can get out some of the more industrial arts part of pressing a record.

It takes forever as pretty much there is not enough capacity to handle the LP pressing boom. There are elements creating the stampers etc. that are fairly involved and those items have back logs, as sometimes other vendors do that part of the work.

Unless you can move a few hundred records, you can't make it work cost wise.

I think about this a lot too! In my very limited understanding, it's still expensive to press vinyl (even for a run of 250), no real shortcuts. The only thing that makes it make sense is that people actually buy dance music vinyl in the UK? That's just what I've gathered from anecdotal evidence though, that it's still possible to sell a couple hundred there and hope to get rid of the rest of the run via direct orders/distro. Would love to hear from anyone with direct experience.

From what I have experienced, you are going to spend probably around $2500 dollars for pressing 300 LPs (or 12 inch records) and getting the mastering done for the format. You can sometimes drop the cost a few hundred if you get a deal or simplify the packaging, but it's still going to be close to a couple of grand to do. The costs to setup the press and plating are the same either way. You are still going to be looking at anywhere from $6 to $9 dollars a unit.

Right. So how are there millions of teensy weensy dance labels putting out so much stuff? Is everyone behind these labels just independently wealthy and providing a public service (a service for which I am eternally thankful, in case there is any misunderstanding)?

Just looking online and finding places that are 3-4 bucks per for a 500 run

It must help that these dance records often have minimal expense outside of pressing the vinyl. Rock bands don't issue LPs without cover art or labels.

millions?

simple order of magnitude analysis. there are hundreds of dance labels active now. they put out less than 10 releases yearly in pressings of low hundreds. so there are literally millions of dance records being pressed, not millions of labels. there are 10s of serious vinyl DJs in my city of a few million, so i figure there are easily 10,000 serious vinyl DJs worldwide. that means 100,000 non serious vinyl collectors. (there are a million users on discogs) if they each buy 10-100 records a year then you have your millions of records.

that’s the scale of the phenomenon

but the thing is most of the hundreds of active labels are putting out 1-2 releases a year. the biggest labels in the scene can maybe manage 10 releases per year. and even the biggest labels are pressing things in runs under 1000.

also they’re barely recouping costs, nobody is getting rich off this game

oh and they’re not putting things out overnight. i mean, they are on beatport, but not on vinyl. in fact the release schedules for a lot of labels have been absurdly backed up for months, to the point where there was an article about it on resident advisor.