Does the opposite of wigger exist?

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Are there black guys out there with asymmetrical haircuts, trucker hats and grubby gang of four tshirts who sing with whiny voices in derivative indie bands?

― JM Facheaux, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

does black people ever want to rock?

― $!@$!!$!, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:19 (twenty years ago)

i hope this is the opposite of those 800-posts-by-monday threads

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:20 (twenty years ago)

offensive

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:21 (twenty years ago)

its a good question actually!

― Yawn (Wintermute), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

offensive

Why?

― JM Facheaux, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:25 (twenty years ago)

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Wouldn't the opposite be black people living it up, whitey-style?

― thrill whitey, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Hootie?

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Blonkies? Blackers? Blofays?

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:35 (twenty years ago)

bliteys?

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Blonkey, yes. As coined by. (Don't watch if you thought the question above was offensive)

― naranjito (Koens), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:42 (twenty years ago)

offensive
Why?

-- JM Facheaux (jmfacheau...), January 12th, 2006.

Do you think the term 'wigger' is acceptable?

― curmudgeon, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

come on man, we've had bloc party already, what else do u need

― rizzx, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Isn't Uncle Tom the counterpart to wigger?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:48 (twenty years ago)

its a good question actually!

No it isn't! At least it isn't if you've ever seen any television show or movie with black people in it.

― Dan (FFS) Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:50 (twenty years ago)

isnt the term wigger fucked up?
its saying people are white niggers. it should at least be wack. as in white/black.

― um, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

again, ill just be sitting here and slowly oscilating my face while mimicing an expression of my irish grandmother's...

― bb (bbrz), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Do you think the term 'wigger' is acceptable?

I think there really is something that the term 'wigger' describes, but yeah, given the word's derivation, perhaps it's best not used and I'm happy for anyone with moderator powers to change the title or delete the thread. I don't think the idea behind my thread was particularly offensive though, the target for my derision was more hipster culture if you look at my initial post.

― JM Facheaux, Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:56 (twenty years ago)

i knew black "rednecks" in high school....they chewed tobacco, they listened to country music, they went deer hunting, they had southern drawls, they drove giant trucks and went "muddin'" etc. etc.

also: i hate the word wigger.

― bobby.lasers (bobby.lasers), Thursday, 12 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

oreo, no?

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't think the idea behind my thread was particularly offensive though, the target for my derision was more hipster culture if you look at my initial post.

I for one am tired of anti-hipster hate crimes

― disco violence (disco violence), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Hate Crimez is my favorite MC

― titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

and my favourite Eurythmics track.

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Auntie Hester is my favourite aunt! Except she always smells of eucalyptus.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

ts: wigger vs wigga...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:17 (twenty years ago)

reverse wigger is a hateful way to say it, but yes these people do exist and are in abundance in the LES. Plus it makes me jealous how swell they rock a mohawk:

http://www.afropunk.com/images/mugshot_party/7073056-M.jpg

― titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

No, the answer is no. No black people are at all different from the way you think they are/should be.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

In the future there could be like one planet for whites and one for blacks and one for gays etc

this should clear up an confusion

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:46 (twenty years ago)

Then it would be just like star trek

― Jimmy Mod (I myself am lethal at 100 -110dB) (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

once i was watching the Disney channel with my 4 year old nephew. when Pooh ended, i flipped over to BET, and he was all "Tigga please!"

― titty sanskrit (sanskrit), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

blonkies?

― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I can't belive people get upsed over the word wigger.

As Zappa said on Cross fire: "Words!"

― shookout (shookout), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/norfolk/content/images/2005/02/03/bloc_party_kele_okereke_3_250_250x300.jpg

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:57 (twenty years ago)

I mean, dude fronts the most hyped band of the last 18 months and no one thinks of him?

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:58 (twenty years ago)

everyone thought of him but felt it would be too lame to post.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Thursday, 12 January 2006 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Besides, he's good, see.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:03 (twenty years ago)

OK then, his evil twin;

http://blog.verbosecoma.com/archives/test%20icicles.jpg

Test Icicles dude.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

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Yes

― Navek Rednam (Navek Rednam), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:31 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe people get upsed over the word wigger.
As Zappa said on Cross fire: "Words!

As I would've said to Zappa had I been on crossfire (and I really should be on crossfire - just wait til you see what I would've said to zappa) - words are powerful things, zappa! duh

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Thursday, 12 January 2006 16:53 (twenty years ago)

words are powerful things, zappa! duh

Freedom of speech, anyone?

― Duh, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)

Freedom of speech is cool. That doesn't mean you're obliged to use that freedom to deliberately be an obnoxious asshole.

― Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Therein lies the freedom.

― Duh, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:55 (twenty years ago)

Did you read what I said? Of course you should be free to be an obnoxious asshole. That would still make you an obnoxious asshole.

― Flower King of Flies (noodle vague), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Some of you guys seriously seriously suck and are awful people.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Freedom to ignore Frank Zappa.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:57 (twenty years ago)

You'll never know you're really free unless you test it out for myself.

― Duh, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

:-)

― Duh, Thursday, 12 January 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Rollie/Cadence Weapon.

Any black artist signed to Def Jux.

― JE$$ICA HARVELL, Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:00 (twenty years ago)

the term is oreo, as someone has already mentioned. black on the outside, white on the inside.

i guess calling someone a hydrox would be too obscure.

― Todd Pontius (tee pee), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Freedom to ignore Frank Zappa.

you just haven't heard the right albums!!!!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

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― Sym Sym (sym), Friday, 13 January 2006 05:36 (twenty years ago)

White people talk like this. Black people talk like this.

― js (honestengine), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm more disturbed by the word "opposite" in the question. It doesn't seem right -- perhaps "analogue" is better?

― brittle-lemon (brittle-lemon), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:36 (twenty years ago)

In the Soviet Union, people often called followers of Trotsky et. al. "radishes" -- red on the outside, but white in the middle. ("Whites" were the counter-revolutionaries during the civil war. Reds are...)

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:37 (twenty years ago)

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"Even in Soviet Union we do not eat this part of dog."

Sorry.

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:43 (twenty years ago)

Fuck. I meant.

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― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:44 (twenty years ago)

okay. I'm an idiot.

― Matt LC (flightsatdusk), Friday, 13 January 2006 06:45 (twenty years ago)

Two things:

1. Before PC, identity politics was about making minorities more visible. After PC, this identity politics was replaced by a vapid language-policing exercise which seemed to want to make minorities less visible. Hence all references to racial difference became "racist", all references to gender difference "sexist", all references to cultural difference between East and West "orientalist", and so on. Where's the revolution? Oh, we're keeping it under the carpet!

2. When I was married to a brown woman, she taught me that someone who's white on the inside and brown on the outside is called (by 2nd gen London brown kids, anyway) a "coconut".

― Momus (Momus), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

So the Strokes' "Ask Me Anything" is actually about not compromising yr East Asian roots? Because now I am waiting for the Cornershop remix.

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

(I'd say M.I.A. but her confounded brown skin keeps fooling me!)

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

"After PC, this identity politics was replaced by a vapid language-policing exercise which seemed to want to make minorities less visible. Hence all references to racial difference became "racist", all references to gender difference "sexist", "-Momus

Can you provide some examples supporting this thesis? Doesn't any discussion have to include references to those who on the far left initially used pc as a term to fight against racism as part of the "revolution", then those on the right who turned it into a pejorative so successfully that the term 'pc' is seen as a negative by everyone.

― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2006 15:18 (twenty years ago)

she taught me that someone who's white on the inside and brown on the outside

but what the hell does this even mean?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Be glad you don't know.

― Dan (Grrrr) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 13 January 2006 15:50 (twenty years ago)

"when i was married to a brown woman"

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

CHARMING

― cancer prone fat guy (dubplatestyle), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

that was one classic Vegas bender

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:07 (twenty years ago)

Jess that's obv. a typo, I'm sure he meant to type "grown" instead

― disco violence (disco violence), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:21 (twenty years ago)

yes you did!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Yo what up, dawgs?

― IB CHILLIN, Friday, 13 January 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

lmao @ 'when i was married to a brown woman'

― $!@$!$!$!, Friday, 13 January 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

When I was married to a brown woman, she taught me that someone who's white on the inside and brown on the outside is called (by 2nd gen London brown kids, anyway) a "coconut".

This sure puts that Daphne & Celeste song in persepctive, doesn't it?

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 13 January 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

What, is saying "brown woman" somehow more wrong than saying "black woman?"

Also, Momus is right about the PC thing. Isn't it a strangely "off" topic for white people to talk about degrees of "blackness," yet completely normal and acceptable for black people to talk about degrees of "blackness?" Also, acceptable for black folk to tell white folk how white they are. Makes no sense!

― Momus Is Right, Friday, 13 January 2006 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Wait, was this the girl that Momus kidnapped?

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Also, acceptable for black folk to tell white folk how white they are. Makes no sense!

where is this acceptable?

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 18:16 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it just seems acceptable because I've never seen anyone contest an accusation of being "so white." The general response is to just laughingly recoil as if to say, "Yeah, you got me there. I'm white alright."

― Momus Is Right, Friday, 13 January 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Rollie/Cadence Weapon.

Any black artist signed to Def Jux.

-- JE$$ICA HARVELL, Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:00 (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

^^shitty thread, still lolled at this though

― Dom Passantino, Sunday, 11 November 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, was this the girl that Momus kidnapped?

-- jaymc (jaymc), Friday, January 13, 2006 6:04 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

also this

― s1ocki, Sunday, 11 November 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

and raped!

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 11 November 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

They exist, but there are way too few of them.

― Geir Hongro, Sunday, 11 November 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

in Norway.

― caek, Sunday, 11 November 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

why is geir tolerated but roger adultery banned?

― strgn, Sunday, 11 November 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

making people feel bad for crossing over just keeps us all divided. i hate this kind of thinking, and the person who started this thread sucks.

― rockapads, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:13 (eighteen years ago)

", man."

― cee-oh-tee-tee, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:16 (eighteen years ago)

how many threads are there like this? can we add something to the FAQ so we never have to do this thing again?

― max, Monday, 12 November 2007 01:27 (eighteen years ago)

2. When I was married to a brown woman, she taught me that someone who's white on the inside and brown on the outside is called (by 2nd gen London brown kids, anyway) a "coconut".

-- Momus (Momus), Friday, January 13, 2006 7:02 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

jaymc, where is the full story about this kidnapping?

― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 12 November 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever wanted to punch Geir before.

― The Reverend, Monday, 12 November 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

why is r.a. banned but geir tolerated?

― J0rdan S., Monday, 12 November 2007 09:42 (eighteen years ago)

They exist, but there are way too few of them.

-- Geir Hongro, Sunday, 11 November 2007 22:45 (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

You might want to explain what you mean a bit more carefully, Geir.

making people feel bad for crossing over just keeps us all divided. i hate this kind of thinking, and the person who started this thread sucks.

-- rockapads, Monday, 12 November 2007 00:13 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

so, so OTM.

― Pashmina, Monday, 12 November 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

You might want to explain what you mean a bit more carefully, Geir.

Obviously, indie is superior to hip-hop. This has to do with musical qualities rather than race. There are already lots of white indie fans, but there are still way too few black indie fans.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

Go Geir! Go Geir!

― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

And all rock music is kind of "black" anyway. The very existance of the rhythm section in any rock band is a "black" element, so there is no such thing as "black" or "white" rock, only it is at its best when it borrows at least just as much from the European tradition in addition.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

Underneath it, there's a kind of utopic egalitarianism; it's just couched in such casual wrongheadedness and pseudo-bigotry that it's difficult to parse.

― Scik Mouthy, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

OTM. Also lol at the thought of all those, say, Scottish traditional military drummers being the "black" element of the music.

― Matt DC, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

Umm, I meant Nick OTM, not Geir. That would just be silly.

― Matt DC, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

Scottish military drumming sounds nothing like the kind of rhythm section you find in a rock band though. Rock is partly a black genre, but from the 60s onwards it has also added "white" elements. But only in addition, not instead of.

― Geir Hongro, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Has geir just dug himself out of this hole?

I say yes.

― Mark G, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

OTM. Also lol at the thought of all those, say, Scottish traditional military drummers being the "black" element of the music.

-- Matt DC, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:11 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^there was a black guy in Big Country

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 November 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Dom your use of the three hats is out of control, the first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem

― J0hn D., Monday, 12 November 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

Big Country are worthy of excessive punctuation.

― Dom Passantino, Monday, 12 November 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

^^^granted

― J0hn D., Monday, 12 November 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

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