Can we talk about these obscure 70s singer-songwriters featured in the newest Record Collector Magazine (and others if you wish)

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Marc Brierley - Welcome to the Citadel
Gordon Jack - Thinking Back
Robin Scott - Woman from the Warm Grass
Amory Kane - Just to be There
Simon Finn - Pass the Distance (i know there's already been hipster reevaluation of this one)
Jaki Whitren - Raw But Tender
Tim Hollier - s/t
GF Fitz-Gerald - Mouseproof
Pete Dello - Into Your Ears
Juliet Lawson - Boo
John Williams - s/t
Chris Britton - As I Am
Duncan Browne - Give Me, Take You
Roger Bunn - Piece of Mind
Thomas Yates - Second City Spiritual
Keith Christmas - Stimulus
Wil Malone - s/t
Gillian McPherson - Poets, Painters & Performers of the Blues
Gary Farr - Take Something with You
Ernie Graham - s/t

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

and some of the ones not mentioned in the magazine that i've really been enjoying lately
Shawn Phillips
Hoover
Paul Parrish
Armando Piazza
Jimmie Spheeris
Rodriguez

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

and we've already talked about Bill Fay & Gary Higgins to death, but i'm sure they don't mind hearing their names every once in a while

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

is Kevin Coyne too well known?

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Andy Kim forever.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:04 (twenty years ago)

Is Robin Scott the same as the M Robin Scott?

xhuxk, Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Duncan Browne - Give Me, Take You

i have this on mp3; it's nice... i'll ysi something later.

jbr, Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Robin Scott is the same person who had the big hit Pop Muzik in 79

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:23 (twenty years ago)

honestly, i think this might be my most favoritest songwriter right now. (full album download)

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Duncan Browne was the guy on Immediate? had that album on my Amazon wish list for a while...

Kevin Coyne can never be mentioned enough.

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Duncan Browne is the only one of those I know... this all looks like Hatch/Brooks territory, to me.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 12 January 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Hatch/Brooks = ?

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

i havent heard any of these!

don't start a RYE-OTT! (plsmith), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:14 (twenty years ago)

the Rodriguez is featured in the Other Music mailing list (from today!) with a sound clip.

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I think the Robin Scott album was from '69? I haven't heard it. He was a friend of David Bowie's - I don't know if it sounds at all like Bowie's folk/psych stuff.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

hatch = old rooommate, brooks = old roommate's pal.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah what is up with gary farr? i saw it in a shop in bilbao with detoxy, in a section where i recognized everything else

noizem duke (noize duke), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, and i know that simon finn album. didn't see it first time i looked at the list.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

i've got the simon finn album too. it's aight if you like syd barrett.

2 columbus circle in 1964 (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:27 (twenty years ago)

it doesn't say anything about Robin Scott being friends w/bowie in the article. it says he went to school with Malcom McLaren & Vivienne Westwood and recorded his album at the same time as Roy Harper & Jimmy Page. also, the psych band Mighty Baby (?) were his backup band

jaxon (jaxon), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Looks like somebody activated a random-white-guy-generator program or something...I've never heard of more than two or three of those people. I know that Keith Christmas was on Manticore.

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

well Mighty Baby rules so that's a good sign... gonna have to keep my eyes peeled for that one

Stormy Davis (diamond), Thursday, 12 January 2006 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Well - I was a big fan of Marc Brierly and Thomas Yates. Marc has his own website where he talks of many things but not how to get hold of his music on CD. Shame. Thomas Yates only made one album as far as I know. Simple tunes and interesting lyrics. I wonder if CBS will ever release this again in some format. To me this is all lost music, probably never to be heard again. It was good stuff in its time.

hypermorff, Monday, 16 January 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to see Simon Finn play tomorrow. Which I notice is now today, in fact. I am almost entirely 'green' here so can only hope it's good

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

i dig tim hollier. he was a groovy dude. i feel compelled to direct you to my columbus thread if you like this kinda stuff:


Christopher Columbus Said The World Is Like A Ball Spinning Round In Endless Circles It's Not Flat At All People Laughed And Said You Poor Fool Now What's Your Game And He Said You're Never Gonna Make It That Way

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 17 January 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
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so i just found the Keith Christmas album out in the ether and it's fabulous. i was sort of worried because all of the artists featured were British. i was hoping it wasn't gonna be too twee psych-folky, but the album is really good. it's got a bit of a country touch. sorta kinda reminds me of John Martyn? the last song has a total acoustic freakout for like 5 minutes. tweaky picking, slapping the guitar like it's tablas. pretty awesome.

team jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 4 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

I have the Pete Dello one...has at least one must-hear track (even for non-fans of this sort of thing) called "A Good Song" which is about how to write a good song and what to do with it, etc. His voice has an interesting affectation.

dlp9001, Saturday, 4 March 2006 01:12 (twenty years ago)

So, what do you dudes think of Shawn Phillips? A friend burned me three discs. Some of it I like; some seems to be an acquired taste. I dig extreme voices but maybe not in the direction he's always headed. Apparently, he claims he helped Donovan write a bunch of material, but Donvan never gave him credit. Who knows?

QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:04 (twenty years ago)

i started a thread on him a while back that barely got any response. Shawn Phillips c/d s/d

i really like him. I've Got "Second Contribution" (one of my favorite album covers). i think it's a pretty awesome album. i've also got "Contribution" which is pretty similar to second. and i've got "Spaced" (another cool cover with him in a glowing space suit) which is a really weird album. it's less folk and more soul-jazz. it's got fender rhodes (oh wow, just found out that Joe Sample played keys on this!!) and some funky drumming. one side is pretty much all instrumental. there are some heavy breaks on it and DJ Shadow sampled an accapella section for part of "Midnight in a Perfect World". i also found "Rumplestiltskin's Resolve" for a buck at the local thrift store, but i brought it home and it was the wrong record :(

finally, i can't emphasize how much i LOVE LOVE LOVE the two Armando Piazza albums i have where Shawn played lead guitar on. amazing acid folk albums.

team jaxon (jaxon), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:24 (twenty years ago)

i dig the first two shawn phillips records a bunch, but i definitely like his spacey introspective stuff a lot more than his topical upbeat stuff.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

pete dello's pretty decent. he was in the honeybus, wrote a few good songs there. the solo albums is very "mr. songbird" kinks-ish. the affectation in his voice mentioned above is the same as ray davies' affected voice circa "arthur" the other guy from the honeybus, colin hare, has an even better solo album. march hare, is it?

naturemorte, Saturday, 4 March 2006 02:34 (twenty years ago)

Numero Group's latest exhumation is relevant to this thread. "Wayfaring Strangers: Ladies from the Canyon." out in a couple weeks. female singers in the wake o' Joni. some incredible stuff from totally obscure performers. Caroline Peyton's "Engram" is pretty amazing, done totally like Mitchell of "For the Roses." nobody here had even anything resembling major-label exposure, with the exception of a woman named Ellen Warshaw, who was a New York folkie on Vanguard. and she does "Sister Morphine." and she still makes music--I tracked her down here in Nashville, where she runs a bed-and-breakfast and is a massage therapist. doing a story on her and the CD in the next few weeks.

anyway, I recommend this. the music is good, the packaging (great repros of the original LP sleeves) and the liners just astounding.

edd s hurt (ddduncan), Saturday, 4 March 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
i'm not sure. some of the stuff on that 'wayfaring strangers' cd seems pretty mediocre to my ears. some ok tracks. the sister morphine cover sounds pedestrian when it's not overwrought... to my ears. she kind of sucks the life out of the song.

i wouldn't characterize anything on this cd (or in the liners) as "astounding." would be afraid of overselling what is to my mind not much more than a curio. i mean, the cd is an interesting object...an attempt to sort of chart a particular stylistic that the compilers seem to argue spins right off from joni mitchell's second lp. some of these ladies are still at work singing in coffehouses. i'm a bit confused by the fact that the same people who might make a beeline for the door (if not make faces) if one of them popped up at your local starbucks hand over $20 for this cd because of the tasteful packaging and trendiness (well-deserved i suppose) of the label.

anyway all that snark aside what i find most interesting about this is the crossover between christian-folkies ("song for life") and the sort of hippie-ish stuff we're more familiar with. i mean, i guess this all has to do with the New Spirituality which bled over into certain New Churches and so on... still i wasn't expecting so much religiosity on this record. in a way it's much more interesting as a snapshot of 1970s america than any records by the bigshots like joni etc. doesn't mean i'll be listening to it all that much, i suspect.

amateurist0, Friday, 31 March 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah, 1970 was a terrible year, and lots of people still had a 60s hangover for several years after. Getting on one drug to get off another didn't necessarily help that much. (Judee Sill's case and fate covers a lot of what you're speculating about here, from heroin to Jesus and music and back.) Recent Forced Ex bulletin described a bunch of new reissues on Sunbeam, incl. Robin Scott's Woman From The Warm Grass, with backing from Mighty Baby; also Tale Spin, by The Story (actually this is recently recorded, by Martin Welham of Forest, and his son Tom); Clive Palmer's Banjoland (founding member of Incredible String Band and COB, whose reissued Moyshe McStiff I reviewed in Voice last fal); Lazy Farmer (Wizz Jones and COB's John Bidwell); Mookyte's Count Me Out ("Even better than Simon Finn!...though it was supported by John Peel, who wrote effusive sleeve notes, it sank without a trace...") Though these and other Sunbeams, except for Banjoland, were deemed just okay by Unterberger at Allmusic.

don, Friday, 31 March 2006 20:05 (twenty years ago)

I have been really digging that Robin Scott reissue, but all of the other Sunbeam titles I heard sounded like rubbish.

Ian, last time I was in Academy that Marc Brierley record was up on the wall and extremely expensive. You should listen to it. It kills.

Hatch (Hatch), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:17 (twenty years ago)

And for the guy upthread who lamented not having Marc Brierley on CD, all of his recordings are on two discs from Castle Music. The collection is called Autograph Of Time.

Hatch (Hatch), Friday, 31 March 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

I have a suddedn uncontrolable urge to hear Stimulus by Keith Christmas. Or is it Keith Christmas by Stimulus? Either way, classic.

ant, Saturday, 1 April 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

Sunbeam seem to be releasing quite a lot of good stuff lately, of which Synanthesia's album and The Story 'Tale Spin' are top quality stuff.

Are Sunbeam affiliated to Radioactive Records?

cache, Monday, 3 April 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

so what's marc brierley's story exactly? I've only heard one track of his (the instrumental "Dragonfly") and i dig it. is that representative of his stuff? does he sing? is he still alive? TELL ME.

Tyler W (tylerw), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Ian, last time I was in Academy that Marc Brierley record was up on the wall and extremely expensive. You should listen to it. It kills.

Yeah, I've listened to it a few times. $265 is RIDICULOUS, though. It's not /that/ good. It's maybe $75, $80 good.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:31 (twenty years ago)

and yes, he sings and he is still alive.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:33 (twenty years ago)

Marc Brierley started out doing really stripped down stuff that sorta sounded like Jackson C. Frank. He put out one EP in that vein on Transatlantic. "Dragonfly" is the only instrumental on that EP... actually it might be the only instrumental he ever released. His two albums came out on CBS and are a lot more produced, with kind of a Bill Fay/Bert Jansch/Cat Stevens/Donovan vibe. Some songs are more psychedelic and dark and others are pretty whimsical with flutes and horns and string arrangements. It's all pretty dam great.

He wrote me an email in response to a review I wrote last year:

"Although I knew Jackson [C. Frank] subsequent to the Transatlantic EP - I hadn't heard him play before that. Cat [Stevens] I knew before he made records - he was a very good writer, but in the days when I knew him, he was in my audiences and not the other way round - and finally - I still have never heard a Tim Buckley record - so any similarities are coincidental. It's true there was a "sound" that was dominant in the London folk clubs. It was influenced by a mixture of the Traditional English folk sound emanating from Cecil Sharpe House. Also there was the amazingly powerful influence of Davy Graham. Burt Jansch really harnessed that as a compelling combination. That's certainly where my first song writing attempts came from. But before that, I was a big frequenter of the poetry circles of London, led by people like Peter Porter. Anyway - just some extra history for you to spray around sometime!

I've written a couple of new songs in the past couple of years -doesn't sound like much output - but having just come back from a holiday in Italy where there was a Steinway to tinkle on, I reckon it would be wonderful to have a go at something new."

He has a website and appears to be running some kind of PR firm these days.

Hatch (Hatch), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)

I have never met anyone else before who's ever even heard of Rodriguez! A friend of mine had his tape in college - bunch of great sub-Dylan songs on there.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

"great sub-dylan" seems to be some sort of oxymoron, no?

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

rodriguez was huge in australia. i think here and south africa are the only places his album is still in print

electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Monday, 3 April 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

yeah, no coincidence there - my college buddy had spent a year in SA, that's where he picked it up. He was surprised no one in the US had ever even heard of him. I can still remember several Rodriguez songs really clearly and I haven't heard the album in at least 15 years.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 April 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)

"great sub-Dylan" isn't nec an oxymoron. There's only one Dylan, but not only one great or great-enough singer-songwriter. Rodney Crowell's "Beautiful Despair" is a beautiful song about being drunk at 3 a.m. and thinking about how you're never gonna write a song as great as Dylan's best. And I wouldn't want to do without, say, Richard Thompson, or Loudon Wainwright III (whose amazing first two albums are finally being reissued on seperate CD, although they are or were a pricey 2-disc set on Rhino Handmade, speaking of a source of obscure 70s singer-songwriters...what's the word on Meic, etc.?)

don, Tuesday, 4 April 2006 00:21 (twenty years ago)

i picked up the first Rodriguez in Other Music and i think i found the second one used in Aquarius. i'm pretty sure the first place i heard of him was on ILM through Jim. when i was in NY i even found one of his records but it was $45 or so.

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 01:32 (twenty years ago)

anyone know of David McWilliams? i have "II" and it's pretty good. sub-dylan & sub-donovan. everytime a song comes on the ipod on random i'm pleasantly surprised.

team jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 4 April 2006 02:07 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
To answer a few questions here, it's Stimulus by Keith Christmas, not the other way around. The CD issue of that is unauthorised, but his official compilation Timeless and Strange features one track from it and a new version of another.

Rhino Handmade's reissue of Loudon Wainwright's 1st 2 albums was on a single disc, not 2. Suicide Song on Album II is a particular favourite of mine - John Peel used to play it a lot. It's about time his 2 Arista albums (T-Shirt and Final Exam) got a CD release.

Duncan Browne's Immediate CDs have been reissued, and there is also a career-spanning compilation called Journey.

David McWilliams was an Irish singer-songwriter who had a big hit in the UK with Days of Pearly Spencer, then faded from view. He was played a lot on Radio Caroline because his record label had the same owner. There are a couple of CD compilations of his stuff available - quite good.

Now if someone would reissue Alasdair Clayre's album on CD....

Rod Parkes, Tuesday, 16 May 2006 04:02 (twenty years ago)

six years pass...

Enjoying Chris Smither's Don't It Drag On, a Christgau A- from '72.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTreyRyUCH4

Good "No Expectations" cover, too.

clemenza, Wednesday, 28 November 2012 01:00 (thirteen years ago)

i love that record!

i guess i'd just rather listen to canned heat? (ian), Wednesday, 28 November 2012 03:00 (thirteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sX4AWtddN3Y/UPbbfFs2DQI/AAAAAAAAAJs/e4dAh9uH7g0/s1600/TSTTBBlog.jpg

just cos I have this playing now and really digging it - ppl who fuck w/ the stuff itt should try and hear this when it lands

In July 1969, Beau released the very first record on John Peel’s Dandelion label, the single ‘1917 Revolution”’. The gifted singer/songwriter went on to record two critically acclaimed albums for John Peel’s label with the two men building a strong mutual respect. Twelve Strings To The Beau has however remained unreleased for 38 years.

Beau’s material varies from the striking folk guitar of ‘1917 Revolution’ to heavier tracks such as ‘Silence Returns’, which continues to capture significant worldwide attention. The past few years have seen a renewed interest in all things Beau with the highly praised reissue of his debut album and the release of his excellent Edge Of The Dark unreleased collection. Beau is also a prolific songwriter with several hundred songs to his name, his most famous being ‘The Roses of Eyam' as recorded by Roy Bailey.

Here’s a little known twist to his story. In 1975, with 12-string guitar in hand, Beau travelled to Heywood in Lancashire to record in the Tractor Sound Studio, that legendary Dandelion band Tractor had just opened. Tractor had already backed Beau on some of his most enduring tracks including the startling ‘Silence Returns’ from his Creation album.
The recordings were a chance to test the studio but things were going so well that Beau decided to record a full album in the studio. The results were quite simply superb.

Just as Beau was looking to release the album his life took a new twist with a promotion at work and the associated upheaval of his family to the other end of the country. He then made the decision to only really concentrate on songwriting and the odd show, so the album was put on the shelf and left to gather dust for 38 years.

A random blog post in 2012 regarding the Creation album, and a live performance for Chris McGranaghan of Those Old Records, finally made the crucial connections that led to Twelve Strings To The Beau being released as the fourth album on The Sound of Salvation label in Mach 2013.

It may have been a very long wait for the third studio album to see the light of day, but it’s certainly been a worthwhile wait. This is a warm and endearing album from the heyday of a unique British songwriter; and as such it certainly doesn’t disappoint.

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Monday, 21 January 2013 10:33 (thirteen years ago)

huh just as I pressed submit he sang something about "negroes in the woodpile"

▼ardkore mort▼ (DJ Mencap), Monday, 21 January 2013 10:34 (thirteen years ago)


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