Pavement ,Classic or Dud?

Sure, it fits, they are.

Well, I really like 'em.

i liked their lack of concern for perfection, their embrace of the accident, one-take approach. great guitar playing too but when they actually learned how to play it stopped being original (that and everyone was imitating them by that point).

very influential.

Brighten = most egregiously and unfairly slagged-upon Pavement record. my unfair assessment: lots of people are afraid of growing up and/or watching the bands they like do the same

Wowee Zowee = Pavement's best record

CLASSIC

Never has a band crawled out from beneath a slimey rock that I've hated more vehemently than the pretentious shits in Pavement.

They were shit.

i think they're my biggest love-hate band...maybe one in 5 listens of any given album, i feel like i really *get it*, and even then the payoff isn't that huge. the rest of the time i'm sort of rolling my eyes at myself for even owning it. plus, I got them in a weird order (if memory serves: Brighten -> Wowee -> Slanted -> Terror -> Crooked), and everytime i picked one up, i'd think *this*'ll be the one that clicks for me and be horribly disappointed. the only one that really grabbed me right off the bat was parts of Brighten. the rest have taken their sweet time to grow. I wouldn't say there's a huge margin in quality between any of them; they're all pretty hit'n'miss.

My vote is classic by the way.

*This is quite an odd feeling, not because Pavement have ever been at all important to me, they were a band I liked in 1993 and that's it. It's just an odd thing to find oneself thinking about I suppose. Another thread to start, I think.

Pavement's version of Here is dud.

Speaking of which, Ned, I don't suppose there's any way I could get a copy of that CD-R is there?

Speaking of which, Ned, I don't suppose there's any way I could get a copy of that CD-R is there?

Somehow I knew this would happen. ;-) Drop me a line privately.

And not even ONE mention of Chris Knox or Tall Dwarfs when "Westing" and "Slanted" are mentioned. The TD song "Get Outta The Garage" (from "The Short and Long of it" EP) completely laid out the groundwork for "Slanted" alone.

Blame Brian, I borrowed his singles. ;-)

Pavement have only 3 songs that rip-off The Fall

Isn't this like me saying Oasis had only one or two tunes that reference the Beatles?

Oh yeah, emusic is where I found the bonus tracks reissue of Debut Album. No idea what the hell it is...I never managed to google anything about it...

http://www.emusic.com/album/Sammy-Debut-Album-bonus-tracks-MP3-Download/11260062.html

No idea why anyone would want to do that!
well that wiki entry says the main guy went on to be geffen's a&r director, so he must be pretty connected ...

Oh hell, as long as I'm turning this into the Sammy info-trove, their lead singer Jesse Hartman had a one-man band Laptop later, and put out a single (released in Norway for no good reason that I can think of) that included three Sammy tracks redone in his Laptop style. This is it:

http://www.mfn.musiconline.no/shop/displayAlbum.asp?id=27332

It's just ok.

when is sammy reuniting is what i want to know. they could play the park across the street from my house.

Oh, here we go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSB1wjxjTaU

god, can you please start a separate thread for "sammy"?

what is the result of someone listening to the watery, domestic album 100x in a row and then going into the studio...?

haha xpost

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If no-one else is going to give you massive props for this trifecta of recall, then it falls to me

fuckin blue green gods, holy shit Que you run deep in the game

and by game I mean the all-important "bands who appeared on many compilation 7"s" game

hmm i was wondering why sammy were all of a sudden very popular in my slsk upload Q

just got my ticket for friday. havn't had access to a computer all day. really glad they kept adding all these shows for the slackers.

yeah now I am kinda in a situation where I'd probably rather go Friday but I've got Wednesday tix. didn't want to buy more though. luckily I've got roughly 369 days to figure it out

But Sammy was the first band that I was like...

It's funny, earlier today when we were naming Pavement-y bands, this was the obvious one but I didn't feel like going through the whole "great obscure band" thing again.

However, Tales From Great Neck Glory is indeed an overlooked classic. Especially Encyclopediate and the one that goes "he's afraid of open space."

i no nobody cares anymore but here was the band i was referencing earlier, i had to dig through a shit load of 7"s for you, ilx, i hope you're happy:

http://www.discogs.com/Sugartime-Girl-Crash/release/1507060

can't find that online but here is(?) their 2nd 7" that came out on simple machines
http://7inchoftheday.blogspot.com/2008/05/sugartime-awestruck-bw-gemini-enemy.html

so from what I hear, the presale sold 4000 out of 5500 tickets for each Central Park show. the rest go on sale tomorrow morning.

"All Tomorrow’s Parties is honoured to announce that the legendary Pavement will curate ATP in May 2010"

http://www.atpfestival.com/Events/Pavement/News/0910071500.php

man, this is crazy.

i just hope they keep adding shows so i can see them...

supposedly gonna be 10 to 12 u.s. cities and some more in Europe

Come to Austin, please, fellas!

or Nashville, since none of ya's have deigned to play a Memphis show in over 12 years.

The ATP fest is on sale this morning by the way, selling fast.

could you guys not shift the venue to Center Parcs? that would rule.

if we upped the ticket price by another £50-£100, possibly

ah fuck do i buy tickets even tho i don't know if anyone will go with me yet

As if you'd have trouble scalping them if you need to.

just sold out of 2 and 3 berths. this is the fastest an atp has ever sold.

I got my ATP tickets this morning. Even more 30 something indie d-bags in attendance for this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJhSESlpsIM&feature=PlayList&p=941E54E8C999709B&index=24

check this out--great live clip of an exuberant pavement playing unfair in a stadium in 1994, with amazing crowd mayhem...followed by a brinx job instrumental. this is why i won't go see them now, i'm too old, too old

hey wait is that bit nastanovitch on the album? mind being blown here o_o

no, bob always did malk's shouty vox live. bob wasn't in the studio til btc? maybe the pac trim ep?

huuuh. i sort of remember him wailing in 'stereo' when i saw them (i was 13 and not very sure who they were; the set was mainly terror twilight so i don't think there was that much screaming to get through.) i didn't know he made such a habit of it. quite a weird thing for a band to do, i guess.

bob wasn't in the studio til btc? maybe the pac trim ep?

is this true? just seems a bit weird seeing how in the doc he sort of makes a point of him being a "real" member of the band.

bob did alot of the shouting parts from "i'm trying" forward, and always the part in unfair when played live (but maybe not on the record?)
anyway, i love this clip--i saw them three times but never like this :(

quite a weird thing for a band to do, i guess.

it saved malk's voice on many occasions.

bob wasn't in the studio til btc? maybe the pac trim ep?

is this true? just seems a bit weird seeing how in the doc he sort of makes a point of him being a "real" member of the band.

― sonderangerbot, Sunday, October 11, 2009 3:52 AM

bob's original purpose was 2nd drummer to gary young in case gary couldn't play. also did a bit of the tour managering for a bit. then they got him some maracas, cowbell, tamb, and a nord lead once west,s was brought in. read the book, pretty sure it covers all this.

wiki claims he's on 'watery, domestic'. also tour managered silver jews and jicks as late as 2006

seems like a dude really

the notes to the cr;cr reissue (i think that one; mb wowee z.) have malkmus saying of one song that he screamed so loud he almost passed out during the recording. this would probably explain why he thought having one of the other guys do the screaming might make sense

Plus if you're on tour and you wanna bring your friend along, you gotta find things for him to do here and there. Doesn't seem so weird to me.

I'm currently trying to obtain a copy of the rebellious jukebox that Steve Malkmus wrote for melody maker around 1992. I think it appeared after S&E and before CRCR. I've googled all of the various relevant combinations of words but haven't managed to find it. Rocksbackpages.com doesn't seem to have it in their archives so I'm now totally stuck. Can anyone help me with this? Tons of gratitude if so.

I feel like I've seen that before somewhere, but Google is failing me as well.

i'd like to find this too. is some of it mentioned in the Pavement biog?

I'm not sure. I recall reading it at the time it came out and remember it as being written in a really interesting way, kind of like the lyrics to S&E.

European Tour dates

05.04.10 - Dublin, Ireland - Tripod
05.05.10 - Glasgow, Scotland - Barrowland
05.07.10 - Paris, France - Le Zénith
05.08.10 - Amsterdam, Netherlands - Paradiso
05.10.10 - London, England - Brixton Academy
05.11.10 - London, England - Brixton Academy
05.12.10 - London, England - Brixton Academy
05.13.10 - London, England - Brixton Academy
05.15.10 - Minehead, England - All Tomorrow’s Parties
05.18.10 - Brussels, Belgium - Ancienne Belgique
05.19.10 - Berlin, Germany - Astra
05.20.10 - Prague, Czech Republic - Palac Akropolis
05.21.10 - Vienna, Austria - Arena
05.22.10 - Munich, Germany - Muffathalle
05.24.10 - Rome, Italy - Atlantico Live
05.25.10 - Bologna, Italy - Estragon
05.27.10 - Barcelona, Spain - Primavera Festival

Neil, someone on the Electrical Audio forums posted it in '06.

1/2. THE STOOGES: "FUNHOUSE"/ THE RAMONES: "LEAVE HOME"
I listened to these two records in a sort of daily rotation in my late teen years, and I think they burned into me an appreciation of the power of simplicity, and a distate for the tiresome inefficiency of all the puffy rock that was around at the time. While I was in college; I saw The Ramones play an absolutely uninspiring, rote-repetition live set about six months after I first saw Iggy Pop get a blow job from a fully-looped junkie chick while sitting on the edge of a pool table. Surprisingly, neither spectacle has affected my opinion of these records.

3. SUICIDE: "SUICIDE"
When I was 17, my mom came downstairs while I was listening to 'Frankie Teardrop' really loud. That was the only time she ever asked if I was using drugs.

4. JOHN CALE: "FEAR"
I have a high regard for John Cale, despite there being only one or two worthwhile moments on each album. I saw him live with a rock band, about the time 'Vintage Violence' was released, and he
was incredible. At the end of his set, he climbed the lighting rig while balancing a tray of cold cuts from the dressing room, and dangled, hanging from his heels, while he threw salami at the crowd. When the tray was empty, he crumpled the aluminium foil into a wad the size of an apple and bit off a mouthful, chewing it while he babbled into a microphone which he somehow maintained control of. I caught a slice of salami and pinned it to my jacket right next to my Naked RayGun 'No Sex' badge, where it stayed long enough for people to start complaining about it when they saw me. Weeks I think.

5. MINUTEMEN: "Buzz or Howl Under the Influence of Heat"
The band that proved the point best that being outstanding musicians didn't need to interfere with fully kicking ass. I could have named any of their records, which are all nearly perfect. To
say that the Minutemen influenced me, and an entire population of others, is such a gross understatement, it's like saying the Civil War had 'some effect' on the slave trade. The only other three-piece rock band to carve out such a distinctive path would probably be the Wipers, about whom you limeys know way to little for me to help you very much.

6. THE POP GROUP: "WE ARE TIME","SHE IS BEYOND GOOD AND EVIL"
English Art wank that has held up much better than most of his contemporaries. Their disregard for even the slightest hint of linear movement was truly inspiring.

7. THE CONTORTIONS: "BUT THE CONTORTIONS"
I never bought into the James Chance-as-James Brown thing, but sonically this album defined the space within which many lesser talents continue to work. The frantic mood and the exasperated/confrontational delivery have yet to be equalled, and the belly-laugh quotient remains high, especially when Chance starts blowing. Personally I'm sad this aesthetic has decayed into
the lounge rock (Eggs, Combustible Edison) and retro-beatnik (Morphine) genres, without anyone trying to keep the level of hostility very high.

8. GLENN BRANCA: "LESSON No.1"
This record woke me up to using extended repetition and consonance as compositional elements, and is actually denser and more invigorating than more preened pieces from later in Branca's career, which says a lot. I know Can, Neu, Kraftwerk, Philip Glass, LaMonte Young and several generations of longhairs had been exploiting similar-to-identical ideas for decades, but hey, I bet people were
jerking off for centuries before you figured out how to.

9. BAD BRAINS: "BANNED IN D.C."
In certain circles, this cassette was as common as "The White Album" was at hippie pads. Probably my choice, along with the first Die Kreuzen L.P., as the recording that validates the American hardcore movement. On a purely musically level (silly branch dynamics political discussion aside) this tape is stunning. Amazing songs, stop-on-a-dime tightness and lightening speed. Listen to the drumming on this. Man, could those fuckers play. Do not confuse this release with any of the other Bad Brains releases, which are terrible without exception, especially after Living Colour hit the scene.

10. THIRD WORLD WAR: "THIRD WORLD WAR"
This album has the best title of any record ever released, and it represents a bizarre and inexplicable tangent of my taste - extreme English boogie rock. I have an equal fondness for the Dr
Feelgood album, 'Down by the Jetty', or any of several records by The Count Bishops, StackWaddy or Motor Boys Motor, but this record gets the nod for its abrasive personality, impressively rude guitar playing and no-holds-barred radical communist lyricism.

11. RUDIMENTARY PENI: "FARCE"
Blazing, shrieking and utterly unintelligable at times, this is intensely personal music made by excellent musicians who don't ever seem quite in control of it or themselves. The mood is barely
restrained, near-paranoid obsession that is by turns baffling, enthralling and frightening. This is their best and most representative record.

12. THE DIDJITS: "HEY JUDESTER"
Primal, non-derivative rock ' n ' music from Matton, Illinois. The humour and weirdness are matched by spot on playing that neither trivialises nor romanticises the genre. This is also one of the best sounding and most revealing recordings of a rock band ever. A song about dropping acid with Jerry Lee Lewis and then watching him kill one of his wives could only be topped by a paean to prison life, or a song about a carburettor, both of which are on this album. Hands down the best rock ' n ' roll album of the Eighties.

13. SLINT: "SPIDERLAND"
Stark and simple, it dosen't suprise me that this album has spawned a whole sub-genre ('Slint Bands') in the States. Few of those bands have the grace or restraint to make music this moving, however. When I first heard Slint, I didn't 'get it'. Once I 'got it', their music took whole days of my life. It was like listening to that first Ramones album over and over and over, just to make sure I got everything out of it. I felt honoured to own a copy.

14. CHROME: "HALF MACHINE LIP MOVES"
Probably the weirdest band ever to come out of San Francisco. They did the impossible of making freaked, strained sounds while rocking quite hard. Most bands are capable of only one or the other. Chrome records exicited and confused me, and I listened to them on headphones a lot.

15. THE FALL: "SLATES"
A weird band at their weirdest. On 'Slates', the Fall reached the pinnacle of the rambling, babbling rockabilly style that would ultimately be pillaged to lesser effect by bands like Pussy Galore, Royal Trux, Pavement and Girls against Boys.

london london london london minehead

i mean, fuck that frankly xpost

Did not actually mean to paste the text there, sorry. Complete disaster as that's Albini's.

Just bought tix for Berkeley show in June....YES.... Ticketmaster fees hateful as usual....

i'm hyperventilating. June is too far away!!!

are there still US dates being added? Or is that it? was hoping they might make it to my neck of the woods. at the moment, Berkeley is the closest! and I'm in Colorado ....

i'm a bit bummed they're only doing festival gigs around here. in someway i have to go, but i'm not sure if i'll buy a roskilde ticket for their sake only...

Damn didn't know they'd announced a Bay Area date. Just got two tickets!

Currently looks like Berkeley is the only US date besides Coachella & the Central Park stand in September.

http://www.tourtracker.com/artist/pavement/1019251