you guys, there is a new grouper 7" on spotify, and it is a MUST LISTEN
― josh, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 06:39 (seven years ago) link
Oh damn, this is good. It's nice to hear Harris behind a guitar again.
― josh az (2011nostalgia), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 07:21 (seven years ago) link
Oh yes, this is great.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 08:40 (seven years ago) link
New songs are so beautiful, so glad she's back. Was worried about those retirement rumors. Grateful for Grouper
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:35 (seven years ago) link
Get her some direct coin via Bandcamp, I sez:
https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/paradise-valley
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link
7" went really quick. Hope I made the cut...
― Evan, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:37 (seven years ago) link
she'd get even more direct coin if she'd press more records! oh well, hopefully they'll repress at some point.
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:09 (seven years ago) link
Can't believe I missed the 7". Sold out on my way to work.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 18:12 (seven years ago) link
Was looking at her bandcamp and noticed that Dragging a Dead Deer Up a Hill has been modified: it's just listed as "Dragging a Dead Deer," and the tracklist is in reverse order:
1. We've All Gone To Sleep 2. Tidal Wave 3. Wind And Snow 4. A Cover Over 5. I'm Dragging A Dead Deer Up A Hill 6. Invisible 7. Fishing Bird (Empty Gutted In The Evening Breeze)8. Traveling Through a Sea9. When We Fail10. Stuck 11. Heavy Water / I'd Rather Be Sleeping 12. Disengaged
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 19:51 (seven years ago) link
β Karl Malone, Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^ this is so otm. I appreciate the control artists want to have over their output, but with more and more artists it's a shame the first presses are so small. Every Grouper release sold out today is on discogs for the amount times five tomorrow. Same with so many more (Caretaker comes to mind). They've become investments for resellers.
(Yeah, I missed out on the 7" too..)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
I don't really understand the motivation for artists to do this. It looks like eventually most things get re-pressed, but its just this fake, tiny weird market bubble for some of these artists...does it really enhance their overall mystique/desirability/bookability as artists?
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:34 (seven years ago) link
pressing records is really expensive. i doubt Harris expected to sell 300 copies before noon. it might not have been possible for her to press anymore than that anyway. the logistics of pressing vinyl independently are so fucked, there are so few pressing plants and they're all backed up with major label releases and Pink Floyd reissues.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
While the latter is certainly true, the former though.. Quite sure Harris is aware of the fact that her albums are being sold well over $100 a piece. It's simply a demand issue: way more people want her physical releases than the number she releases them in.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:02 (seven years ago) link
new goal: get someone to loan me $10 million, use 100K of that to hire someone who knows what they're doing and use the rest of the money to open a new record pressing plant, profit
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
seems like they're putting vinyl up on bandcamp right now?
https://grouper.bandcamp.com/album/ruins
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link
xps You're right, I'm sure she's aware of discogs gouging. But I wouldn't be surprised if she's simply pressing as many as she can due to the plants being clogged and prohibitively expensive for someone doing it herself.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
That's a 2014 LP, not the new single in question
― sleeve, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
still, i am shocked that the 7" sold out so quickly. was sure i'd be able to get it. bummed bc i'm definitely not getting it second hand from discogs.
xp yeah she's been selling self-releases of most of her records through the yellowelectric site for a while now, that Ruins pressing isn't new.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:10 (seven years ago) link
no i get that, i'm just saying that afaict that 2014 vinyl reissue was literally just this second posted
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:16 (seven years ago) link
Are you talking about the "special edition" version of Ruins on there though because that certainly looks new.
― Evan, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 21:43 (seven years ago) link
She sold an identical artist's edition of Ruins when it was released in 2014. Not sure if this is a new run or she is just selling her stuff through bandcamp exclusively now.
https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Ruins/release/6237251
― Badmotorfinger Debate Club (MFB), Wednesday, 21 December 2016 23:03 (seven years ago) link
yeah the special edition went up today afaict. it said "ships dec 21" earlier today, and now says "ships in 7 days" Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
― π ππ’π¨ (caek), Thursday, 22 December 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link
important information about new grouper release
GROUPER RULES
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
Maybe that should have been on the t-shirt that came with the 7"
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
it might be time for a custom t
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:35 (seven years ago) link
i am not emotionally prepared to experience new grouper material, i'll need to take a few days
― Clay, Thursday, 22 December 2016 02:42 (seven years ago) link
Same. I need to be in the right headspace and environment
― calstars, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:35 (seven years ago) link
I am there. I am in the grouper zone, reporting out live
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 22 December 2016 03:38 (seven years ago) link
i've listened to "headache" way too many times in a row in the past 24 hours but how could i possibly stray away from something so unspeakably transcendent
― josh, Thursday, 22 December 2016 04:05 (seven years ago) link
finally listening to this at night, it really does sound warmer and more present than any of the AIA. the Water People single is probably the most obvious precedent. there's a lot less reverb and the guitars & her voice sounds a lot closer.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 06:11 (seven years ago) link
For those that missed it, perhaps this'll work as a back up option:
https://boomkat.com/products/paradise-valley-d8ee21d6-5329-41f7-bb54-8411eaa412ab
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link
that works for me
― sleeve, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:27 (seven years ago) link
btw Discogs lists it as a pressing of 1000, see similar debate in the comments re: availability
https://www.discogs.com/Grouper-Paradise-Valley/release/9539659
― sleeve, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link
Thanks Evan!
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 22 December 2016 15:35 (seven years ago) link
yeah thanks for the heads up, glad I got this!
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
You're welcome!
― Evan, Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Gorgeous video for "Headache"
https://vimeo.com/195999938
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Thursday, 22 December 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
hey floks, if anybody is hip 2 remaining copies of this (generally not supra optimistic abt boomkat), pls honk @ me xxx
― schlump, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:11 (seven years ago) link
i'm so psyched that that video finally came out, she projected it when I saw her play 2 years ago, w/o new song though.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 22 December 2016 19:24 (seven years ago) link
Fantastic video. Been listening to this single pretty much non stop for the last 24 hours. Transcendental.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 22 December 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
@schlump, '7" (sold out) BC copies --- distros and stores will have it: Forced Exposure, Reckless, Boomkat, Mississippi, Little Axe, Exiled.'
― schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 01:53 (seven years ago) link
rough shot at the lyrics to 'Headache'
My mother once told me,'She walks into the ocean'Didn't want it, just kidding 'til we're rising well Wanted to the heaven closer to loveWhy's this costume weighing me down?
And my head hurtsAnd their sails turn
Fire in me enormous Try my best when I'm alone lock itI realize it won'tWalking in the deep endFlying lights on the back of my eyelidBlood is lucky blood in me
And my head hurtsAnd their sails turnFlying lights on the back of my eyelidBlood is lucky blood in me turns
― flappy bird, Friday, 23 December 2016 06:37 (seven years ago) link
lil starfire moment
― schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 16:14 (seven years ago) link
Why did you choose to self-release Paradise Valley, alongside a reprint of Ruins? Is there a freedom in the self-release thatβs appealing to you?
I love the process; it makes me feel good to have a routine, some control, a craft. It must relate back to where I come from as a print maker and artist. Have always been more comfortable with sharing those skills than I am sharing sound. So, itβs a less stressful part of making music; that is one reason I cling to it.
Feels good to be protective of this music and my relationship to it. Freedom to go as slow as I want, meter the weight of it in hand, disregard the name and figure a little, focus on the resonance of the final object, choose to do less promotion. Self releasing does not allow big quantities to be made. And it takes more time. More attention is needed. I like that practice.
― schlump, Friday, 23 December 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
^ I can respect that, but it's hard to believe there can't be some aspect of marketing (supply and demand) to this.
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Friday, 23 December 2016 22:59 (seven years ago) link
Does this mean we can expect a new Grouper album in 2017?
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:40 (seven years ago) link
There are days where I think the AIA double album is my favorite ever.
― Rod Steel (musicfanatic), Friday, 23 December 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link
Sorry for shitposting but the new one sounds like an abandoned liz phair demo from '92
― calstars, Friday, 23 December 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link
the interview i quoted mentions these songs are from 2012 !, + i think when albums come out has been similarly quantum. i saw her sometime this year & she played all new material + one song from ruins rearranged. it was rly beautiful.
i can't get w a marketing/supply & demand critique bc supply .......................... did not meet demand ................................................................................................................. lol
― schlump, Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:01 (seven years ago) link
yeah schlump, i'm talking out of my ass, apologies
― Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Saturday, 24 December 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link