The importance of 808 State

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"24Hr Party People" the movie is just around the corner and the music of 808 state will no doubt be present both in the movie and on the soundtrack. What are your thoughts on 'the state'?

vantasma, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Importance? I wouldn't say they're that important. They made some fun music in their time... especially the collaborations -- Bjork, Bernard Sumner, etc. As for their importance, surely there are bands out there (such as the Chemical Brothers, Lionrock, and Bomb the Bass) who were obviously taking notes from 808 State. But it's all just a bit too fluffy, isn't it? I'm hoping '24 Hour Party People' won't spend too much time, if any at all, on 808 State... the rest of Manchester was just far too interesting in that era.

Tim DiGravina, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

For me, "Pacific State" is one of the great records of the late 80s. It's important to me because it was one of the first dance tracks that I ever enjoyed. Before that I was listening to indie guitar music only. I'm not familiar with the rest of 808 State's output, but I'm sure some of it must be important to a lot of people.

Mark Dixon, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I was quite fond of the track they did with singer from Soul Coughing. Awsome beat.

dyson, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah 'Pacific State' was an incredible record although it sounds primitive now.

David Inglesfield, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I always thought 808 State had the potential to be important or pivotal, but it was unrealised because (as was the case with every artist at the beginning of the nineties) dance music as a whole developed faster than they did. Listening to Ninety though, I get a real sense of missed possibilities - their take on acid house by that point really did have the psychedelic aspect that the UK always applied to the term, with lots of dreamy synth swirls and samples. When you add that to their complex electro- inspired drum programming (parts of the album, particularly "Ancodia", even remind me of bounce hip hop), it really offers an alternate vision of where house might have gone in those years; progressive house looks a lot more linear in comparison.

Of course by that point the Warp crews were already upstaging them, and soon hardcore discovered breakbeats and samples and the show was all over (I'm currently - and finally - listening to 4 Hero's In Rough Territory, and I'm amazed that it came out only one year later).

Tim, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

They were certainly pioneers - for me at least - of intimidating and patronising dance music shop proprietors.

Daniel, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

is that eastern bloc? i went in there, but i hated the decor, but i didnt feel intimidated like my mate said it was - hes too scared to walk past it.

ambrose, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, the decor, the off-hand way I was treated for not being a DJ... Gosh I sound bitter - I don't mean to, and I believe that DJ shops have improved loads in the sense of treating with respect people that they may previously have been snotty towards.

Daniel, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

five years pass...

Possibly an obscure question, but on ‘Ninety’ who is Vanessa whom the album credits for vocals on ‘Magical Dream’? I’m redoing my ID3 tags and it’d be nice to have a last name.

Mr. Goodman, Saturday, 15 December 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

Ah! Nevermind!

http://www.808state.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1025&highlight=&sid=07dc0c7b4979e55904012dba427b991b

Grahm rocks!

Mr. Goodman, Saturday, 15 December 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

Weren't 808 State the first act in a while to take a largely analog synth-based sound into the hitlists?

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 15 December 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure other people were using analog synths then

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Sunday, 16 December 2007 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

think a lot of big acts were into digital synths like the yamaha dx series by then. one of the reasons house music took off was the availability of cheap , outmoded secondhand analog synths like the roland 303 , 101 , etc...

not as cut n dried as that, but you get the picure.

pc user, Sunday, 16 December 2007 04:55 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

Yeah 'Pacific State' was an incredible record although it sounds primitive now.

Between this and tombot saying that Kraftwerk just sounds like library music, I'm close to telling you damn kids to get off my lawn. You have no reverence for this lawn. You do not deserve the lawn!

What I mean is, this record still sounds fantastic.

kenan, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:36 (seventeen years ago)

What's the deal with A Guy Called Gerald's role in it? Which is to say, how much of it did he produce of it, be it none or a good portion of it.

And yeah, Pacific state is an incredible record.

mehlt, Thursday, 22 May 2008 19:42 (seventeen years ago)

i'm with you, kenan. release the hounds!

was just listening through my 808 state trying to decide what to bring with me to a gig friday. might have to take a few.

andrew m., Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:04 (seventeen years ago)

it's not my fault my dance music totems are a little less MOR than yours

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

Pacific State sounds really boring. Cubik still sounds great.

I DIED, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:37 (seventeen years ago)

Word. I never liked how the sax line in PS doesn't sound like it resolves properly, it just trails off on leading tone

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:39 (seventeen years ago)

xxpost Elitist! You can have your college/black/snl dance music, I 'm down with the common man.

kenan, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:39 (seventeen years ago)

hahahaha

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

You guys are so fucking wrong, it isn't even funny.

okay, it's a little funny (lol you don't like "Pacific State")

HI DERE, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:40 (seventeen years ago)

I don't dislike it, I like other things a lot better than it though

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

BTW why no 808 state album poll?

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

We're waiting on the reissues.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:43 (seventeen years ago)

I thought there was one!

HI DERE, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:44 (seventeen years ago)

Also, of course, Quadrastate finally making it to CD:

Quadrastate looks to be released in May! This project has taken years in the making and of course it's the first time ever this album will be released on CD. It's been lovingly remastered and includes bonus tracks from that era. Quadrastate completes the 808 trilogy on Rephlex, which also included the Newbuild and Prebuild albums and was accompanied by the Acid House Mixes of New Order.

CD tracklisting (2x12" may not include bonus tracks) :

01. Pacific State
02. 106 M
03. State Ritual
04. Disco State
05. Fire Cracker
06. State To State
07. Let Yourself Go (303 Mix)
08. Deepville
09. Got It Huh
10. Techclock
11. In Yolk
12. State Ritual Scam
13. Let Yourself Go (D50 Mix)

Label: Rephlex
Formats: CD / 2x12
Catalogue numbers: CAT 808 CD / CAT 808 LP.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:45 (seventeen years ago)

I think I'm already on the record about Strings of Life being a pretty bad track, too.

I like most of 808 State's work, just not Pacific.

I DIED, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:45 (seventeen years ago)

"Pacific" still works for me - it's just as cool and lush as ever. Also, it was always already a bit MOR, even at the time of it's release.

Spencer Chow, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:46 (seventeen years ago)

At the end of the day I think they peaked on Gorgeous.

HI DERE, Thursday, 22 May 2008 20:47 (seventeen years ago)

The story re: A Guy Called Gerald is that 808 State stole the "Pacific State" tune from him. He included a B-side from the Automanik era called "Specific Hate" on a 12" thereof as sortuva "See? This was MY track, bitchez" move.

I don't know if Gerald was kicked out due to sabotage on part of the rest of the group or for other reasons or if Gerald left on his own, and forgot to take the rights to the "Pacific State" tune with him.

Mackro Mackro, Thursday, 22 May 2008 21:26 (seventeen years ago)

Hmmn. Specific hate, very clever.

Also, you pacific state haters (specifically hating this track, I suppose) are crazy! The saxophone alone makes it forever classic. and PS >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cubik. The sax takes the riff any day.

mehlt, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:02 (seventeen years ago)

Whatever

El Tomboto, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:03 (seventeen years ago)

Newbuild should have a much more prominent place in this discussion.

Display Name, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:16 (seventeen years ago)

god, I love Ex:cell to bits.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 22 May 2008 22:21 (seventeen years ago)

two months pass...

news just in :

808 State: '808:90', 2xCD Deluxe Edition (ZTT 102CDX) out: 06.10.2008
808 State: 'ex:el', 2xCD Deluxe Edition (ZTT 103CDX) out: 06.10.2008
808 State: 'Gorgeous', 2xCD Deluxe Edition (ZTT 104CDX) out: 06.10.2008
808 State: 'Don Solaris', 2xCD Deluxe Edition (ZTT 105CDX) out: 06.10.2008

London/Manchester, 8.08.08
The date of this press release is no coincidence! On 8.08.08, ZTT announces four deluxe reissues from one of the UK's most important electronic outfits - 808 State - celebrating the band's 20th anniversary, the 20th anniversary of acid house, and the 25th anniversary of ZTT itself. (Release date for all four is 06.10.2008)

Formed in Manchester in 1988, 808 State - Andrew Barker, Graham Massey and Darren Partington (and, for the first two albums, Martin Price) - were heralded as 'the UK's answer to Kraftwerk' and developed a sound and style that dominated, developed and defined electronic music throughout the 90s.

ZTT Records is proud to reissue all four classic 808 State albums, each coming with an extra disc of rare and previously-unreleased tracks and remixes put together by Graham Massey himself, and with a booklet comprising extensive sleeve notes and rare photos.

1989's 808:90 includes the top ten hit Pacific, which launched the band's career and eight bonus tracks including special takes from the band's first arena gig at Manchester G-MEX. 1991's EX:EL includes the top ten hits Cubik, In Yer Face, Olympic as well as collabs with Bernard Sumner (New Order) and Bjork.

1993's Gorgeous includes the band's biggest ever hit - One In Ten (as 808 State Vs. UB40), the Joy Division mash-up Contrique and guest vocals from Ian McCulloch. Finally 1996's Don Solaris includes the top 20 hit Lopez (feat. James Dean Bradfield), guest vocals from Lou Rhodes and a rare Brian Eno remix.

Fresh from appearing live at Gatecrasher's Summer Sound System in May, 808 State play live at Bestival, Isle of Wight on 06 September 2008.

mark e, Friday, 8 August 2008 09:25 (seventeen years ago)

I think you'll find that "One In Ten" was the band's fourth biggest ever hit.

Morley would never have let it pass.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 8 August 2008 09:47 (seventeen years ago)

this thread is challops central. i'm thinking of going to see them DJ tonight (with Arthur Baker, DMX Krew and others) at Nitefreq. their live show at Primavera was kinda disappointing tho (apart from opening with 'Nimbus').

'Reaper Repo' may be the best non-single they ever did, very Carl Craig

blueski, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:31 (seventeen years ago)

I don't see what's wrong with "library music". Although it would probably upset the librarians

Tracer Hand, Friday, 8 August 2008 11:45 (seventeen years ago)

I bought a couple of fantastic records in Eastern Bloc...

"Pacific" doesn't really hold up too well, now, but it sounded fab and really different to other things at the time.

"Ancodia" is the only song of theirs I continually play now.

Bimble, Friday, 8 August 2008 16:22 (seventeen years ago)

They stopped being important after Gerald left.

Display Name, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:18 (seventeen years ago)

it's not my fault my dance music totems are a little less MOR than yours

-- El Tomboto, Thursday, May 22, 2008 4:24 PM (2 months ago) Bookmark Link

stfu

and what, Friday, 8 August 2008 18:32 (seventeen years ago)


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