the smashing pumpkins are getting back together. why am i not excited?

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i think it's cool, but i'm not very excited.

― Christopher Costello (CGC), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

they haven't been gone long enough for anyone to care and their last albums were terrible.

― kyle (akmonday), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'd be more excited if Zwan and TheFutureEmbrace haven't come and gone in the meantime.

Speaking of the latter, did "Mina Loy" make ANY singles list at ANY position?

― joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 3 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

At least one.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:11 (nineteen years ago)

Kyle, I think you're very wrong about people not caring. There's a hell of a lot of Smashing Pumpkins fans who are a) still way into the band or b) too young to have ever seen the band live. Take a stroll around Livejournal if you don't believe me.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:12 (nineteen years ago)

because they ran out of ideas ten years ago.

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sorta kinda excited and i was never even a fan of theirs. just seems like if they want to get back together so badly, there must be a good reason (or you can insert bad reasons here I suppose)

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

Auf der Maur: "(And they should) then strategise, because as we know, grunge is about to come back: The '80s trend is almost done and we're about to hit 1990 again. It's scary to think, but very true."

ummm... discuss?

anyways i used to be a huge pumpkins fan, and i even liked Machina for the most part, but Machina II was not great, and I hated Zwan with a passion... I'll see them no matter what (at least if James Iha is on board), but probably with low expectations.

― sovietpanda (sovietpanda), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

What makes Corgan + Chamberlin any different necessarily from Zwan? Whatever he comes up with, why does calling it "Smashing Pumpkins" and not "Billy Corgan's Second Solo Album" mean anything?

I actually liked Zwan quite a bit.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

to me, calling it Smashing Pumpkins means he might go for a sound that is similar to that band's, and a sound different from Zwan's, which made me want to throw up and die

― sovietpanda (sovietpanda), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

This is just Corgan and Chamberlain from the original lineup.
Hardly a 'reunion'.

― Reggie, Saturday, 4 February 2006 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that's right, without those crucial contributions from Iha and D'arcy, it just won't be the same thing. Sorry to sound like a troll -- I really do like about half of Corgan's output under all monikers -- but given his track record, I just find this to be a big publicity stunt and nothing else.

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Offhand I don't understand what about Zwan that couldn't have been a "Pumpkins" record, aside from being extraordinarily sunny relative to past stuff. Billy did go for a variety of sounds over the Pumpkins history. Perhaps we could have a discussion of how they're different. (I can[t be bothered to search out the thread which must certainly exist.)

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 4 February 2006 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Why do people hate Zwan so much? I seriously think that's one of his best albums.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 February 2006 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

You know, given that Billy Corgan wrote virtually every Smashing Pumpkins song and the band is tied in with his identity, I don't see any good reason why he shouldn't keep going on with the name in the way that Mark E Smith does with The Fall. I mean, we can whine about the "classic line-up," but the line-up did shift in the band's original run, so it's not as though there isn't precedent. Basically, if this makes Corgan feel better about himself and motivates him, then good for him.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 February 2006 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Except that he felt the need to "break up" the band, create a new "band," do a solo album, etc. I mean, you're ultimately right about him doing what will motivate him, but he seems to want to pretend that Smashing Pumpkins is actually a "band" rather than a performance alias.

Whatever. Ultimately, regardless of who he records with, we'll see what the first single is like and then I'll decide if I care.

― Mitya (mitya), Saturday, 4 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

I figure that he was pretty sincere and serious about it being a band then and is just trying to make the transition to it being more of an ongoing project now. Corgan is clearly driven by ego - as soon as he realized that few people cared about his work without the Pumpkins name, he had to backtrack on some things to get himself back into the spotlight.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

wake me up when Iha says yes and maybe I'll be excited
i feel this is Corgan's last ditch effort to stay relevant in today's scene

― J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Billy didn't break up the Pumpkins - James Iha broke up the band.

I'll just be happy when Billy turns the trebble down. Has anyone else noticed that the low-end has been totally lacking on his last three releases?

― brooks williams (brooks), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

how about a smashing pumpkins reunion w/o Billy? Ok, he still writes the material but someone else sings. I heard Tonight and 1979 on the radio yesterday while station hopping in my car and thought "how great would these decent songs be with an actual singer?"

― del unser (van dover), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

test

― matt riedl (veal), Sunday, 5 February 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Iha may have broken up the band, sure, but without him it's not the Smashing Pumpkins no matter how much Corgan wants you to think it may be.

Unlike The Fall, as Matthew mentioned above, Iha played a greater role in the SP's than any non-Mark E. Smith member has ever played in The Fall.

― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Sunday, 5 February 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

What exactly does Iha have to offer, anyway?
Songwriting ability? Not really.
Guitar playing? Decent but totally generic.

― squirl plise, Sunday, 5 February 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

Having grown older, we find Billy Corgan vaguely embarrasing. He took out a full page ad in the Chicago Sun Times last year explaining he was coming back to Chicago and New York wasn't really so great and he really really missed his old band hint hint. The extant to wich he expects us to care kinda makes it hard to.

― Annabelle Lennox (Arachne), Sunday, 5 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Billy's over the top self-involvement and delusions of grandeur is key to what makes him sort of fascinating, though!

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Sunday, 5 February 2006 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Unlike The Fall, as Matthew mentioned above, Iha played a greater role in the SP's than any non-Mark E. Smith member has ever played in The Fall.

You really think that Scanlon had no significant role whatsoever in the Fall during the decade and a half he was the one consistent musician? Or that Brix made no appreciable impact on image, sound, or style of songs during her first tenure?

― kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 5 February 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't think that sidemen bringing a lot to the table in terms of image and performance is mutually exclusive from a band's identity being driven by its frontperson/primary songwriter. The Smashing Pumpkins is the Billy Corgan Show, The Fall is the Mark E Smith Band, Guided By Voices was the Bob Pollard Revue and Pavement was the Stephen Malkmus Players. In every case, we can point to a classic line-up, but it doesn't change much.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Monday, 6 February 2006 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/pazzandjop05/ballots.php?cid=4929

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

I loved the Pumpkins up to Machina, didn't care for Zwan, was one of the few who thought the solo stuff was boss, but this reunion's a bad idea....but I'll shut up as I'm repeating stuff I've said on other threads.

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

i cant wait until they get back together.

― chase adams, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://www.smashingpumpkins.com/pages/news/jimmy-chamberlin-leaves-smashing-pumpkins

― StanM, Saturday, 21 March 2009 11:04 (sixteen years ago)

My fav comment on that:

Fernando says BILLY IS THE PUMPKIN KING!!?

Saturday, March 21, 2009 - 6:14 am

Maybe, but now we know there's no kingdom anymore, maybe he's a king of nothing now and nobody rules alone.

Plus, I don't want to play the part of the Joker here, telling Billy something cool just to please him. No matter if you get a crown when you lost your head.

FERNANDO WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:25 (sixteen years ago)

A passionate man.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:31 (sixteen years ago)

Ned I know you're a big SP fan, what's your take on this?

― I f'd up the word rear (Z S), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:35 (sixteen years ago)

My take on this is this is part and parcel of everything Billy's done since he couldn't accept that releasing an album under his own name meant having to live with different expectations and panicked and revived the SP name and proceeded to run everything interesting he ever did into the ground.

From one perspective this is just basically the third split with Chamberlain (first was Adore, second being the solo album) and from another this would be the sign to anyone else but Billy to finally just give it up.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:42 (sixteen years ago)

http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/pensata/images/lucio_20010704_bozo.jpg

― Hey that thing you like? I hate it. (jjjusten), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:43 (sixteen years ago)

honestly the only reason i am still on the internet each year is that at some point i will have the chance to post that picture.

― Hey that thing you like? I hate it. (jjjusten), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:44 (sixteen years ago)

jjjusten you are a true hero...

― I am Robertson Speedo (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 21 March 2009 14:49 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

Moses, Smell The Roses

http://hipstersunited.com/blog/archives/2009/06/smashing-pumpkins-the-next-generation-19-year-old-mike-byrne-in-position-to-succeed-chamberlin-as-bands-drummer.html

― StanM, Wednesday, 10 June 2009 15:14 (sixteen years ago)

― krots tphns (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 10 June 2009 16:26 (sixteen years ago)

three months pass...

Brain hurts.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:31 (sixteen years ago)

just stopping by to make sure my img link still works

― A DOG, A BARREL... RIDICULOUS! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:35 (sixteen years ago)

:-D

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:36 (sixteen years ago)

Still, glad to see him at the Sky Saxon tribute in July, where he wasn't the center of attention and (to his credit and to my admitted surprise) he wasn't trying to be.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

Billy Corgan is a gift that keeps on giving

― tylerw, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

and giving

― tylerw, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:37 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.everythingfromheretothere.com/

― yo gotti gotti! (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:39 (sixteen years ago)

I can't wait to see how much he thinks he can charge for each of these "EPs".

― Size-zero-brigade-embrace-token-chubby-chops (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:40 (sixteen years ago)

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We have the power of choice to let others in our heart or put them out, to shine brightly with this I-dentity that God has given us. We can choose to bathe others in our brilliance or haunt them by shutting down and therefore dimming our own Light. So the idea of Mind-Body-Soul integration takes those 3 pieces of you and melds them in harmony, to assist You into bringing God-Spirit-All There Is into this reality. To make this reality at One with God.

Billy,

http://i29.tinypic.com/2dakbnr.jpg

― StanM, Wednesday, 16 September 2009 20:52 (sixteen years ago)

so when did he start writing copy for Dr. Bronner's Magic Soap

― A DOG, A BARREL... RIDICULOUS! (jjjusten), Wednesday, 16 September 2009 21:16 (sixteen years ago)

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