u.s.a. vs. england - which country makes better music today?

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they were period of times when the brits made better music of course -the late 60's (beatles, kinks,the who,stones and zep came from england too, but worked maunly in the u.s..and more...)
the 70's were good for both countries (roxy music/brian eno vs. television etc..)
also the 80's are more or less equal (sonic youth vs.the fall etc..)
but from the 90's till today - america rules and ebglish music, in general - is boring and repetitive.
ok, there are stereolab,mbv,ride,b&s,mogwai and a few more i forgot but compare that to :dinosaur jr, fugazi,fiery furnaces,built to spill,neutral milk hotel... and thats just the begining of the endless list of great bands from the u.s.a.
will someone argue please.

― jj, Friday, 3 February 2006 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

sorry for the misspelling...

― jj, Friday, 3 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

Mogwai aren't from England...

― Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

american musicians know how to "git 'r done". larry the cable guy helps us reign supreme.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

mogwai are from scotland, a fact that adds even more points to the u.s...

― fd, Friday, 3 February 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

zimbabwe.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

Black people

― Confounded (Confounded), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sweden.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

this is a stoopid question due to the population differences

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but, good creativity got nothing to do with population u know.

― fd, Friday, 3 February 2006 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I know you are talking today but the '60s portion of your timeline is debatable: Dylan, Otis Redding, James Brown, Aretha Franklin, Sly Stone, Motown, Marvin Gaye, Beach Boys, John Coltrane, Archie Shepp, Albert Ayler, Sun Ra, Miles Davis, Byrds, Merle Haggard, Buck Owens, Captain Beefheart, Jefferson Airplane, CCR, Curtis and the Impressions, Everly Brothers, Velvet Underground (mostly)...

Not even close.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

the only thing I agree with is that British music has pretty much been sucking shit from the late 90s on.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

wimple winch pawn all those people.

x-post

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

I think it has something to do with the rise of Coldplay and dance music splintering into a million uninteresting and indecipherable subgenres.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is a stupid question due to the fact that all the current English acts he mentioned pretty much have been either inactive or shit for about 15 years.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Way to post a question when most people in England are asleep or out listening to excellent music at great parties/gigs/clubs...

No, but seriously...what is the point of this question?

And what's more..."(beatles, kinks,the who,stones and zep came from england too, but worked maunly in the u.s..and more...)" - eh?

This kind of thing makes me want to listen to Ethiopian jazz all the long day...

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Who are taller, English musicians or American musicians?

― josh s, Friday, 3 February 2006 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Black people
-- Confounded (confoundsk...), February 3rd, 2006."

good point, that rules out america completely for good music

― corey c (shock of daylight), Friday, 3 February 2006 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

"No, but seriously...what is the point of this question? "

what is the point of this site, what is the point of living?!
the same point..

― kobi, Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

what is the point of this site, what is the point of living?!

i know you are but what am i? eh? eh?

― Lukas (lukas), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Black people
-- Confounded (confoundsk...), February 3rd, 2006."
good point, that rules out america completely for good music

-- corey c (c_cosmo...), February 3rd, 2006 6:55 PM. (later)

Yes, that which you say.

― Confounded (Confounded), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

England. Has done since 1963.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 February 2006 02:31 (nineteen years ago)

Let's have a fight after school to decide.

― East from the city and down to the cave (noodle vague), Saturday, 4 February 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

at the flagpole, gasp!which flag though?!?

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 4 February 2006 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

spain, finland, germany, holland

― terry lennox. (gareth), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

60's = uk
70's = australia
80's = usa.

― retrokid, Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

This is silly. The United States is huge.

― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

Um. Canada?

― Tarpley (Tarpley), Saturday, 4 February 2006 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

Gino Vanelli's released a new one!

― dave q (listerine), Saturday, 4 February 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

1900-1962 United States of America
1963-1972 England
1973-1983 Shit vs Shite
1984-2006 Amerifuckincano. Don't even kid yourselves

― Brian Jones (Brian Jones), Saturday, 4 February 2006 08:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm excited! What newness abounds!?!?! Maybe a country we've never ever heard before!........or maybe not of course.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 4 February 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

1900-1962: USA
1963 onwards: UK

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Retrokid must be a huge AC/DC fan btw.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

England Vs. California + Texas is more fair populationswise

― bagofshite, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

ans = germany.

― The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

" England Vs. California + Texas is more fair populationswise "

even so, the u.s. countries are winning big time.

― geee, Saturday, 4 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

If you subtract Texas, Tennessee, Louisana, Compton and Bronx from the USA, then the USA gets a lot better musically.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

texas is good: spoon,butthole surfers,new bomb turks. great bands indeed.

― rexx, Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

scotland and wales and northern ireland.

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Saturday, 4 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

not to mention 13th floor elevators and scratch acid, but this was how long ago?

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 4 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

scrath cacid aren't from chicago? (like jesus lizard)/

― hfh, Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

(For the sake of argument,) a few more or less contemporary British (not just English) bands whose music this Californian finds at least not wholly without merit:

Aberfeldy
Art Brut
The Bees
Belle & Sebastian
The Beta Band
The Bloc Party
British Sea Power
Broadcast
Clearlake
The Clientele
Comet Gain
The Coral
Doves
Editors
Electrelane
Engineers
The Experimental Pop Band
The Futureheads
The Go! Team
Half Cousin
Hood
The Kills
Ladytron
The Libertines
Love Is All
M.I.A.
The Magic Numbers
Mclusky
Momus
Piano Magic
The Playwrights
Radiohead
Saint Etienne
Sons and Daughters
The Stands
Stereolab
Super Furrry Animals
Teenage Fanclub
Tender Trap
Tom Vek
The Zutons

― Wub-Fur Internet Radio (wubfur), Saturday, 4 February 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

most of the list is boring and/or unlistenble.
if someone will make an even only chicago list it will be longer and with much more interesting and original bands.

― ggall, Saturday, 4 February 2006 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Answer depends on which specific day of week is "today" US generally makes better music on Mondays, fridays and Saturdays, rest of week goes to UK

― gordo heavyfoot (van dover), Saturday, 4 February 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

most of the list is boring and/or unlistenble.
if someone will make an even only chicago list it will be longer and with much more interesting and original bands.

-- ggall (...), Today 3:17 PM.

will someone make that list?

― sonore (sonore), Saturday, 4 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

via chicago 90'-06': tortoise,wilco,jim orourke,jesus lizard,big black/rapeman/shellac/steve albibi,eleventh dream day,aluminium group,sea and cake,alkaline trio,arsenal,veruca salt,rome,smashing pumpkins,ministry,ok go,joan of arc,the dwarves...not to mention all that jazz and experimental stuff going on over there.and this is just from chicago,not all IL.

― chica, Saturday, 4 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's this turning-music-into-the-World-Cup thing that puts me off talking about music. Not just this (dumb) thread - also think of the effort wasted in 700+ people turning in numbers, and those numbers being culculated, etc, involved with Pazz & Jop.

― paulhw (paulhw), Saturday, 4 February 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://subscribe.theonion.com/images/band_sucks_tshirt_black.gif

― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Sunday, 5 February 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

The Nazis from Mars - I Don't Like Your Favorite Band

-- chica (g...), Today 4:43 PM.

I cringed at the majority of that list... : / you forgot Liz Phair and Andrew Bird...keke. I don't like either of them that much anyway.
but you're right the experimental/underground/independant scene around here is ...well, fertile and many bands don't suck. : )

― sonore (sonore), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

What's better: the moon, or Tuesdays?

― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:17 (nineteen years ago)

scrath cacid aren't from chicago? (like jesus lizard)/

-- hfh (fdsfd...), February 4th, 2006.
They were from Texas.

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 5 February 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

liz phair is from chicago?!
i thought nyc..
p.s. patti smith is also originaly from chicago.

― poiu, Sunday, 5 February 2006 02:12 (nineteen years ago)

I thought Naked Raygun were good enough to mention that they were from Chicago (they are, right!?!)

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 5 February 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

yes they are from chicago

― sd, Sunday, 5 February 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

GREAT!!!!

― xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Sunday, 5 February 2006 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

WHO THE FOOK DO YOU YANKEES THINK YOU ARE????

Everybody FOOKING knows that the ONLY MUSIC worthy is the one from the UK.

What the FOOK does the US have to offer? Bob Dylan? The Doors? Beach Boys? Rap? THEY ARE ALL FOOKING SHITE!!!! LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THOSE PATHETIC YANKEE WANKERS HAVE EVER COME UP WITH!!!!!!!!!

I STAND BY THE FOOKING UNION JACK AND I AM FOOKING PROUD OF IT!!!!!!

― Sally Kenwaite, Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Mogwai aren't from England...

... and neither are MBV, they're not even from Britain

― Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

If it makes you feel better, the New Bomb Turks are from Ohio.

― js (honestengine), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

if i remember correctly, ( stirmonster might back me up on this) plant bac ofnus were listed in glasgow's 23rd precinct shop as from the czech republic or somewhere in eastern europe.

― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I have a Plant Bach Ofnus 12", it's quite good

― DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

"fooking" is a funny word

― ZR (teenagequiet), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

"Plant Bach Ofnus" - that looks like Welsh to me

― Dadaismus PBUH (Dada), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Answer depends on which specific day of week is "today" US generally makes better music on Mondays, fridays and Saturdays, rest of week goes to UK
-- gordo heavyfoot

Congrats - I was going to make that very same joke! (You told it better than I could've.) My reading threads before replying is paying off.

― Myonga Von Bonhomie (Myonga Von Bontee), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Let's do Scotland vs. England.

Or maybe someone has already. I'm too lazy to look things up.

― Mofrackie, Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

america invented : blues, jazz, rock n roll, rnb, soul, punk, funk, hip hop, house...
england...er...

― AleXTC (AleXTC), Thursday, 23 February 2006 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

England invented skiffle!

― js (honestengine), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

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