name the one album that most competently bridges the gap between glam rock and post punk

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Sparks - Kimono My House (

― lukeeluke (soulex45), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Metro - Metro

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

Station to Station

― kornrulez6969 (TCBeing), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

roxy music - for your pleasure

― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Here Comes The Warm Jets

― duh, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Here Comes the Warm Jets feels like the right answer to me. Not only because of Brian Eno's friendship with and influence on both glammers and punkers but because... well it sounds like both to me.

― ~~~~~, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh and maybe something by the Homosexuals or Swell Maps who both seem pretty glammed out to me. Especially in the Homosexual's vocals. Oh and just LOOK at the guys from Suicide.

― ~~~~~, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

the fever - red bedroom

― dan. (dan.), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

cheap trick - s.t.

no wonder steve albini loves them.
"he's a whore" is the perfect example.

― goood, Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

John Cale - Slow Dazzle

― Lloyd Bonecutter (Lloyd Bonecutter), Thursday, 9 February 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little puzzled how Here Comes the Warm Jets could be post-punk when it pre-dates punk?

― o. nate (onate), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

cuz post-punkers bit it for everything it was worth?

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm a little puzzled how Here Comes the Warm Jets could be post-punk when it pre-dates punk? "

yes, cause its ahead of time.
(reminds also of the later mbv,"fall","birthday party","talking heads" etc...)

― ffffffffffffffff, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Peter Hammil's Nadir's Last Chance
any Deaf School

not really the experimentalism of post-punk, but the first one is a pseudo-glam proto-punk record by an art rocker and the second is post-Roxy Music stuff by a band a bit energized by pub-rock and punk, esp. on the third LP.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Magazine's Real Life?

― nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

The Tubes, "White Punks on Dope"

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Is Nadir's Big Chance really a psuedo-glam proto-punk record or is that just because of the first song on there? I've never listened to it all the way through, but it seemed like there's that first song and then maybe the rest just kind of sounds like Van der Graaf?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

xtc - white music

― Dominique (dleone), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

(I ask in part because Julian Cope has made it out to be that, too. - xp)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

There's a few more rockers, and over all I think it's less bombastic then the VDGG I've heard. The songs are just simpler, explained also perhaps by his saying they were "old" songs. I dunno, I will say, that while it isn't glam, or proto-punk or anything other then a great song, "The People You Were Going To" is one of my top favorite songs every. Heartbreaking and beautiful.

I think part of that legend comes from Johnny Rotten playing that song on the infamous radio show he did while still a Sex Pistol.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

*Glam*-orous post-punk dude: Steve Treatment

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Also Ziro Baby/Zarjaz (of the Tronics):

http://www.freakapuss.com/imgs/zarjazred.jpg

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

XTC actually started out in 1973 as a glam band named Helium Kidz (though, as far as I know, that incarnation never saw anything commercially released). You could make a good argument that they skipped the "punk" part of the equation and hopped from glam to post-punk.

― James, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

>The songs are just simpler, explained also perhaps by his saying they were "old" songs.<

Right, so more like Aerosol Grey Machine, but of course that's not really a proto-punk glam record either.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

How about Von Lmo? I'm not sure of his discography though - I have one album (Tranceformer), but I think it's a compilation of stuff rather than a proper album.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

Cowboys International

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

"Station to Station"

"roxy music - for your pleasure"

OTM

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

oops, I thought it said song not album when I listed that Tubes song, duh (plus I was only joking, sort of. But I do kind of think of Sparks and Tubes as "the firt new wave bands.)

Amazed nobody has mentioned Zolar X yet though.

(Not to mention anything by Boney M. And about a hundred other things.)

Like say *U.K. Squeeze* (their first and most post-punk one).

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

MX-80 Sound?
Lene Lovich (who earned her glam credentials via Eurodisco)?
Or, uh, Devo??
Or wait why not Gary Glitter who sounded exactly like Adam and the Ants and Bow Wow Wow?
Or Suzi Quatro's first album, for the dub and funk stuff in "Primitive Love"?
Hell maybe even Talking Heads 77 (which I think Xgau compard to Sparks when it came out)

Part of my problem is that I'm not really sure what people mean by "post-punk." (In 1980, I don't think it was a *kind* of music, or at least not a specific *sound*; people would have been more likely to call the stuff new wave or, uh, punk-funk {which was kinda stupid I admit.)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, my last nomination: M, *New York London Paris Munich.*

Or else *Crossing the Red Sea With the Adverts.* I don't know which.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Or something by Skafish (or Wazmo Nariz, who may or may not be the same person).

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Q: Are we getting a nu definition of "post-punk" as anything New Wave now (perhaps partly via the Simon Reynolds book)?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

And I only say that because I have never knowingly heard Skyhooks.

(Which reminds me: When did Split Enz start? Weren't they some kind a glam band long before "I Got You"? Where are all the sheepfuxors when you need them?)

xp obv

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

station to station is a VERY good answer!

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Post-punk is a style now, not "anything post punk". For the sake of this thread, it's a bit style, and a bit attitude. It's not Boney M though. Or Talking Heads 77.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

I still like your first uggestion (Tubes), xhuxk. When I think of labelling something post-punk, I always think -- somewhat literally, of something like PiL or no wave stuff -- people who pursued noise (or the avoided pop instinct that birthed new wave).

― Mitya (mitya), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Some Roxy Music or early Eno. Cannot quite tell which.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, but why NOT Talking Heads? I mean, they were an artsy band that came out of the punk scene and drew on funk (from the beginning on -- the first album has as much KC and the Sunshine Band as Sex Pistols in it.) How are they not post punk but, I dunno, Delta 5 and Gang of Four and Bush Tetras etc are? Are the Fall post-punk? I'm not joking; I'm serious. I honestly don't understand the definition people are using these days. In 1980, grouping Remain in Light with Entertainment! and Second Edition (and, hell, Dirty Mind) (and maybe even Emotional Rescue, okay maybe not) would have made perfect sense. xp

Honestly, Roxy Music and Bowie are probably the best choices, for visibility reasons if nothing else. So I'm being half facetious. (Wait, though: What about Kraftwerk????)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

And the reason I mentioned Boney M (could just have well been Cerrone or Labelle or Grace Jones I guess) is that DISCO was a sort of bridge between glam and post-punk, right? (At least in the sense that glam influenced disco and disco influenced post-punk?)

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, "Dirty Mind* might be the best choice of all, really.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Unless *Sheer Heart Attack* by Queen is.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't mean they weren't post-punk. I meant to say they're not Glam.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

Lou Reed - Take No Prisoners

This is also the album that bridges the gap between glam and comedy.

― Lloyd Bonecutter (Lloyd Bonecutter), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

xp But they (Talking Heads) probably got some inspiration from Bowie (and like Xgau said maybe Sparks) Which would put them in the lineage of glam, right?

Actually, my new REAL nomination though (beat this) for somebody linking glam to post-punk is George Clinton. Not sure what album I'd pick though. But he's a link for sure.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Associates??? Not chronologically between Glam and Post-Punk of course but generically a perfect cross... the glam of Bowie, Ferry, and Eno with the post-punk ethos of the times...

― lickit, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

split enz were never glam, they were prog though.

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

"I didn't mean they weren't post-punk. I meant to say they're not Glam."

Not glam? What, with those shoulderpads?

http://ilyka.mu.nu/images/david_byrne_big_suit-thumb.jpg http://www.derbydeadpool.co.uk/images/celebs/glittg.jpg

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

yes Chuch, whatever you want! Talking Heads 77 is totally glam rock.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

Not "totally"! Just partially.

> the post-punk ethos of the times...<

See, again, I'm not sure what people mean by this. Were there any bands at the time who actually defined *themselves* as post-punk? If not, how was there a "post-punk ethos"? I mean, I love those *New York Noise* compilation CDs as much as the next guy (the new edition is really great by the way), but I wonder if said "ethos" exists only in retrospect.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

And for pre-punk post-punkness I think I'd pick *Taking Tiger Mountain* (a dance record! especially "Third Uncle"!) over anything else by Eno by the way.

― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

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(xpost) Krautrock wasn't obscure in the UK - it was a British journalist who invented the term after all. "Faust Tapes" was released in 1973 for 49p and it sold like hotcakes, even if most people played it once and made a frisbee of it. Amon Duul II were more popular in the UK than in Germany - as were Can for that matter. My sister had a Neu! single in 1972 - she was 14 years old at the time!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

In some ways Krautrock was more obscure in Germany than it was in the UK!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Tangerine Dream fans at my high school, I think, were likely to also like Jan Hammer and Stanley Clarke and Jean Luc Ponty and Patrick Moraz and Michael Oldfield and Jean Michael Jarre and stuff like that. They were prog fans and fusion and proto-new-age-though-they-didn't-know-it=yet fans (and probably, at least until punk happened, the most adventurous listeners of any kids I knew at the time). (xp)

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Tangerine Dream were always much more of a hippy band. I never heard them referred to as Krautrock at all until probably Julian Cope started raving about them.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

... probably because only 6 people had heard "Electronic Meditation" and 6 million had heard "Phaedra"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

... ha ha, that reminds me, when I was about 13, we had this short-lived "Rock Music Appreciation" society at school and I remember bringing in my big sister's copy of "The Velvet Underground & Nico" and this kind of hippy kid called David Judge brought his big brother's copy of "Dance of the Lemmings"! We were both on the same team! (The teacher in charge of the class preferred Little Feat)

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I was asking about how high profile those bands were in England, Chuck.

"Tim, I could go back and check, but refresh my memory: Who do you think this thread belongs to?"

I think there have been a lot of interesting cases made. My original thought was really glam oriented post-punk guys: Steve Treatment and Ziro Baby. The idea of Roxy Music and Bowie as post-punk oriented glam guys, on the other hand, was what I was questioning. (If the Berlin trilogy Bowie albums are "post-punk" records, then it was post-punk happening while post-punk proper was happening. Is a record like Heroes still a GLAM record, though?)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Or Eno's solo albums, for that matter - are those glam records?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sure, why not? (Well, not Another Green World, maybe. But Here Come the Warm Jets and Taking Tiger Mountain, definitely.) (Anything with "jet" in the title is obviously glam by deinition, obviously.)

I mean, I get the idea you have extremely limited definitions of both genres. Which is fine, I guess, though I don't know what purpose the limits would serve. And either way, I don't know what your definition *is*, beyond "stuff I heard somebody call glam or post-punk once."

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

And anyway, the real answer is obviously Shox Lumania.

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard Warm Jets in a while - I guess I can see that it's glam. You can call it a limited definition if you want, Chuck, but "glam" generally means Ziggy Stardust and Marc Bolan and Gary Glitter, etc. I still not really sure that Heroes is a glam record. Nor am I sure that Television were much of a glam band in spite of the fact that Richard Lloyd wore pink nail polish prior to the band's inception.

And if someone wants to call Duran Duran a post-punk band, that's fine. I'm just saying that it doesn't fit my sense of what that term means.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

American bands who were much more glam than Television: White Witch, Debris, Zolar X, etc.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

None of Bowie's albums after "Pin Ups" are glam. "Here Come the Warm Jets", it's pure glam in bits, odder in other bits.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Kiss were probably the most popular american glam band.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

... after "Diamond Dogs" I mean, and that's the arse end of glam. Glam was dead by 1975. In the UK I mean.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

it was just getting started in the states by 1975!

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah! That footage of the Sex Pistols concerts in the south on their US tour. People who showed up to see them seem like they were all glammed out.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, probably (xpost). In the UK there was a period from mid-75 to mid-76 when there wasn't really anything happening and a lot of glam kids (like my older sister) just bought soul and (proto) disco records

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

... and those are the kids that ended up as Punk Rockers and then later Soul Boys and (god help us) New Romantics

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

it really is all about touring in the u.s. if slade and t.rex had toured constantly in the states it would have taken off sooner. it's why foghat are a household name in the states and status quo are a footnote.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

... and no-one in Britain owns a Foghat album, I know

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering why this thread had so many answers.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Kiss really ran with the need for new product. And casablanca records.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

alice cooper were more popular than kiss, weren't they? (they and/or he definitely had more hit singles. or at least alice cooper had BIGGER hit singles. though it was close, i guess. did kiss really sell more albums? in detroit it was kinda hard to tell.) (and actually, the argument could be made that aerosmith and queen, sort of both glam bands at least IN RETROSPECT, were bigger than either.)

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

i'm also not sure what "pure glam" would mean. didn't all glam albums have weird stuff on them? or most of them anyway? (though i guess you could say "pure glam" means stuff that sounds like "bang a gong" and "rebel rebel" and "ballroom blitz," and you might have a point.)

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. Kiss ended up selling a helluva lot of records. but, yeah, alice did too.

i'm kinda wondering if by 72/73 - when u.k. glam was hitting a peak - if american audineces weren't also just a little bubblegummed out. serious bubblegum efforts were being cranked out left and right up until the mid-70's and glam might have been overkill/overload in the u.s.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

that jaded banana splits-savvy u.s. audience might have had little need for slade even if they had toured relentlessly. and the stuff that did come a little later, alice, queen, kiss, was suitably hardrock enough probably for the heartland. (not that slade wasn't hardrock. maybe slade was a bad example.) was the sweet's first u.s. chart action ballroom blitz? i sure loved ballroom blitz in the 70's. and then some.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

The Only Ones.

― Bidfurd (Bidfurd), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know whether the rock 'n' roll element (as in 50s rock 'n' roll) element of UK glam would have sat that well in the US

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

they don't make rosters like this anymore:

http://www.kissfaq.com/casa/1974.htm#1974

kiss, t-rex, parliament, fanny, and the hudson brothers.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

"(as in 50s rock 'n' roll)"

The mudrock element. yeah, i don't know, happy days and sha na na were huge in the 70's, but later on a little bit. people were still getting over the 60's fascination with the 20's.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Almost all the minor glam acts in the UK were 50s revivalists in one way or another

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

... well I suppose they weren't really glam acts but Gary Glitter (who was glam); The Glitter Band; Mud; Showaddywaddy, The Rubettes etc

― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

I think "Little Willy" was a decent size hit in the U.S. I wonder how high it got.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

who the hell was buying Smokie albums in the U.S. in 1979? That's what I want to know. as a chinnichap fan, i own them now, but i don't remember them at all back then. maybe they were in my sister's teen magz.

― scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 10 February 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

#3! xp

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

>who the hell was buying Smokie albums in the U.S. in 1979?<

the same people who were buying nick gilder albums in 1978 (and who, in 1980, would be buying pat benatar albums?)

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Simon Frith wrote about the Japanese cult of Smokie, long after Smokie floated away.Also, I remember this friend whose British cousins used to send him records, and we were watching Slade's American debut, on The Midnight Special, I think, and he said, "These guys are never going to make it over here, they're too British." But he predicted T.Rex would make it over here, to some extent, because Bolan was learning how to boogie, and boogie was getting to be the thing; not nec big on Top Forty, but on FM and album sales and in live shows. (This was before the Southern Rock media package; boogie seemed to be mainly Brits and Americans, especially Southerners, covering/imitating them.) We did think of Roxy as Progressive and kind of glam, and King Crimson too (At least the way they dressed and lit their live shows, and on some early songs like "Twentieth Century Schizoid Man."). But we noticed how many (American)people liked the Roxy music except for Ferry's voice, and figured they'd be mostly about albums and FM, which they were until "Love Is The Drug," which was considered rock disco,"but" not bad. If they had hit singles in the offical glam ers of the early 70s, and were considered glam by most people, they might not have outlived it Bowie was smart enough to keep ch-ch-changing, and not get too identified with any one trend (and yeah, Tim, his albums with Eno were para-punk,as well as pre-post-punk, but then pre-"hardcore" punk was more inclusive). Why were Slade songs finally hits in America, when covered by 80s hair metal bands? They were macho glam, like the Sweet, but yeah Skot, they didn't have the bubblegum songs, or at least not the kind that Chapman-Chin laid on the Sweet. Plus didn't have various makes-more-sense-to-Brits elements of Slade, just the sunlamp tans, peroxide, and butch flash boogie.)Did any punk or post punk bands ever do anything with Slade songs and/or sound? How does the New Wave Of British Heavy Metal fit in to all this?

― don, Friday, 10 February 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

>Did any punk or post punk bands ever do anything with Slade songs and/or sound? <

Besides the Clash, you mean? (And all of oi! ?)

― xhuxk, Friday, 10 February 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Simon Frith wrote about the Japanese cult of Smokie, long after Smokie floated away

They are still very popular in Germany and Norway.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 10 February 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

Metal Urbain would be my pick. I was kind of gobsmacked to read in an extensive UGLY THINGS article that Roxy was their key influence, but it clicks: the atonal synth, the campy vocals and the ironic lyrics. Punker than punk guitar on top, though.

― Soukesian, Friday, 10 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm trying to start a Biggie/Tupac style feud over the fact that you called my Station to Station choice lazy. I can see you're not gonna be much help."

If you back to the top of the thread you'll see I actually started off by describing this choice as "OTM", so you see when I subsequently recanted that choice as being lazy I was already driving by and shooting myself....

"Metal Urbain would be my pick."

You see? It's all about France. Told ya so.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

""Faust Tapes" was released in 1973 for 49p and it sold like hotcakes, even if most people played it once and made a frisbee of it."

I don't know if you're consciously or subconsciously paraphrasing this, but I remember reading an interview with Jim Kerr, many years ago, in which he was asked to what extent he had been aware of Krautrock and how much of an influence it had been on Simple Minds in their early days.

His response was that the full extent of that knowledge and influence consisted of his having once purchased a copy of The Faust Tapes, solely because it was cheap, having played it once, hated it, and then used it as a frisbee.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

sensational alex harvey

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I can see how Slade's football chants and stomps and claps influenced oi! and also Queen. At least on "We Will Rock You" and "We Are The Champions"; yes, even or especially the trilling latter, coz one of the big Slade football hits was "You'll Never Walk Alone," from The Sound Of Music. Bangs saw 'em lead the soccer stadium audience in a swaying sing-along,reported getting chills. And I guess some punks used some Slade-to-oi! effects, sure.(Not that Slade themselves didn't pick up on what they heard in stadiums, at matches.)(Siouxie kinda aside.) But seems like Noddy's vocal piercings went more to metal. (Not that he didn't do it better, prime Axl aside--maybe.)Speaking of Metal Urbain and Metal Boys, leave us not forget their progeny, Dr. Mix And The Remix, a varee ztrange cover band.

― don, Saturday, 11 February 2006 00:45 (nineteen years ago)

Fleetwood Mac's "The Green Manalishi"

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 11 February 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

"I can see how Slade's football chants and stomps and claps influenced oi!"

Tell me you're not going to nominate something by Sham 69, please....

".... one of the big Slade football hits was "You'll Never Walk Alone," from The Sound Of Music."

I believe Slade covered "You'll Never Walk Alone" on one live album that they released during the wilderness years between their early-mid '70's Glam Rock peak and their mid-'80's reinvention as a heavy rock band; but afaik they never released it as a single and they certainly never had a (UK?) hit with it.

Also it wasn't actually from The Sound Of Music, it was from Carousel which was written by the same people, Rodgers and Hammerstein - yes, the very same people who wrote that other giant Post Punk smash "Happy Talk" - and subsequently covered by Gerry & The Pacemakers and just about everyone who's ever been to a football (soccer) match; particularly Liverpool FC.

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Saturday, 11 February 2006 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

The Misfits Static Age ain't a bad one. It has that "glammy" Doors vibe but the songs are quite angular, too.

― QuantumNoise (Justin Farrar), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Heldon - Electronique Guerrilla 74
Pere Ubu - Datapink In The Year Zero EP 75-76
Chrome - The Visitation 77

― Fastnbulbous (Fastnbulbous), Monday, 13 February 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

but I remember reading an interview with Jim Kerr, many years ago, in which he was asked to what extent he had been

This was cited in something Julian Cope wrote. Apparently, they'd met one time, got on really well, until the subject came up about the Faust tapes album. Jim tells Julian about lobbing it off some skyscraper as a frisbee, and Julian then says about "right there, I realised we could never be friends."

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 13 February 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

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