name all of the punks (and post-punks) who liked led zeppelin ... other than the cult or the mission of course!
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 9 February 2006 06:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:07 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:14 (nineteen years ago)
yeah, true dat -- but i was thinking more the old crusty punk and post-punk dudes than the flannel crew.
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 9 February 2006 07:16 (nineteen years ago)
― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)
― baby, disco is fuck (yournullfame), Thursday, 9 February 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)
I was too young, but even subsequently never liked them. But was I a punk? guess not.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)
"flipper" had an album called "american grafishy".
a.c. newman (dork-punk) said that the next "new pornographers" album will be less rock,but when it does rock, it will be in a led zep kinda way.
― dudedude, Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)
― observerrr, Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)
oops,forgot "the who" and maybe "kinks" for some...
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― observerr, Thursday, 9 February 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)
I think American is the key word there.
― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)
― dudedude, Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)
The rise of classic rock radio ruined Zep's cool factor for a decade.
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:06 (nineteen years ago)
And I'm old enough to have experienced all this first-hand
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Deluxe (Damian), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)
Zep was blasting from every El Camino, Firebird, and Camaro in the land. Behind the wheel was some drunk who was about to either kill you in his car or get out and beat you up or puke on you. This was your big brother or your dad.
The other younger bands that were rising out of Zep's primordial blooze -- the LA Sunset Strip scene, Ratt, Crue, hair metal.
None of this was "cool." If you hung with the smart set back then, you had to hide your Zep love away.
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)
Clearly, LZ represented the aristocracy of UK music— alongside ELP, the Bee Gees, Yes, Elton John, Queen and every other rilly big band— to which punks were ideologically opposed.
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)
Judging from the way that they then proceeded to chase us all 'round the area hurling insults, death threats, bottles, bricks and anything else that came to hand however, I somehow don't think they exactly saw us as fellow travellers....
"Nobody "cool" liked Zep from about 1982 to I dunno know when. 1990 or something?"
Nobody I knew or considered cool would have admitted to liking Led Zeppelin from about 1976 to about 1982.
Iirc it was Killing Joke who were largely responsible for rehabilitating Zep for post-punk audiences; indeed, unlikely 'though it may seem, Jaz later (iirc) arranged and wrote the score for the London Symphony Orchestra's performance of "Kashmir: Symphonic Led Zeppelin"; and he and Youth produced the album and wrote the sleevenotes.
Where's Alex In NYC when you need him?
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0000040V9.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)
OTM
"the clash also != cool"
Maybe not, but between 1977 and 1982 they were certainly a far better facsimile of cool than Led Zeppelin.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)
This Heat, y'all.
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)
I can honestly say I own no zeppelin records, and still don't care for them. (I borrowed the recent live compilation thingy, but never got round to actually playing it).
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)
Which of two British bands any given bunch of Septics considered to be more "cool" at any given point, is actually of quite breathtaking lack of interest or relevance to me.
"Well, everyone seemed to be into Zeppelin, then when punk happened, there were a lot that denied that they ever were..... That also went for Yes, ELP and all the rest."
"I confess to a couple of Rick Wakeman albums (won in a competition)"
I confess to Yessongs and [shuffles feet nervously] Frampton Comes Alive [hangs head in shame].
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)
At the risk of going off at a complete tangent, what did the average US punker think of Boston / Cheap Trick / Foreigner / Grand Funk Railroad / Heart / Journey / Kansas / Kiss / Montrose / Ted Nugent / REO Speedwagon / Styx in 1977?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)
Did you all try to sing "Do You Feel Like We Do?" as if you were using a talkbox too?
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:53 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)
Well, at least, I was in 1976.
Actually no, I was probably right the first time.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 9 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)
― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
i think we may be agreeing with each other here. at any rate, i feel the same as you.
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)
Which has the more obvious debt to Zeppelin? Those bands or Ratt and Motley Crue?
(septics= Yanks)
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)
Quite a few bands were quite vocal in their love of Cheap Trick and Kiss (not always the same bands, though). Not so much the other bands you mention, though I suspect there may have been a few punks into Grand Funk.
― James, Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 16:10 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)
Zep had some seriously cheesy moments and their more obvious, crass followers were often morons.
Zep was one of the band's that went into Spinal Tap's blender, and for a period of years after that movie, you couldn't take any band with as many druidical overtones as Zep seriously at all, no matter how powerful their music. The stuff was considered a laughingstock and an embarassment.
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)
Creed. Staind. Nickelback. Hoobastank.
I don't think there will ever be a revival for them.
― novamax (novamax), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)
Psst...the Plugz' Electrify Me is the greatest L.A. punk album.
There's a story in Rollins' Hallucinations Of Grandeur tour diary (don't know if it made it into Get In The Van) about sleeping in some Italian squat on a Euro BF tour, playing ZZ Top's Tres Hombres on the communal jambox and telling all the punks that it was the new Anti-Nowhere League album, bumming them out something fierce.
― pdf (Phil Freeman), Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)
Probably? He wrote a glowing review of IV when it came out.
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)
― xhuxk, Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)
they were one of the first bands i ever loved. although maybe i was a hipster when i was 11, who knows.
― having fun with stockholm cindy on stage (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Sundar (sundar), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:44 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 10 February 2006 10:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)
Apart from Alice who loves "Sweet child of mine", so I'll give them points for that one.
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)
Axl Rose was bloody good at that Freddie Mercury tribute gig a few years back 'though wasn't he?
He certainly made a better replacement for Freddie Mercury than Paul Rdgers does anyway.
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:13 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 11:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 February 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Moses, Friday, 10 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:35 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)
x-post, Stew - *before* I liked Glam obv, Bowie, much chartpop, The Who, Pink Floyd etc etc. But never LZ, because a) they didn't make singles b) I associated them with sisters' boyfriends. Not cool.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:55 (nineteen years ago)
America's, Blighty! If it wasn't for us, you'd be playing Skiffle for Nazis!
― js (honestengine), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)
― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)
I'm guessing they weren't very cool in the UK in the early-to-mid 70s
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)
At a rough estimate I'd say about half the threads that deal broadly in punk / post punk etc. have contained elements of TS: usa vs. uk.
"how many punk/hardcore dudes were in metal bands by like '89, '90?!?!?"
I'm sure we've covered this before but off the top of my head (and once again from an entirely anglocentric standpoint):
Algy Ward: The Saints The Damned > TankPaul Gray: Eddie & The Hot Rods > The Damned > UFO (what is it about The Damned that...? no, on second thoughts, don;t answer that 'cos I don't think I want to hear it!)Fred Purser: Penetration > Tygers Of Pan TangSlaughter & The Dogs > Studio Sweethears > Slaughter (not, not that Slaughter, the British ones who had previously been Slaughter & the Dogs and were shite)Discharge: a great band > a crap oneSouthern Death Cult > Death Cult > The Cult (see "Discharge")
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)
When it's 1977 and they like Led Zep. In my house.
― Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)
― JB Young (JB Young), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 11 February 2006 13:12 (nineteen years ago)
― senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Saturday, 11 February 2006 15:13 (nineteen years ago)
― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Saturday, 11 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)
-- Stewart Osborne (stewart.osborn...), February 9th, 2006 3:30 PM. (later)
"Killing Joke, obviously."
-- Alex in NYC (vassife...), February 11th, 2006 1:12 PM. (later) It may have taken a little time, but my incantations managed to summons forth The Beast from his lair eventually.
Good to have you back Mr. In NYC Sir, you've been sorely missed - and I think you're going to be raining down some good old fashioned fire and brimstone on some of the fatuous cheese-monkeys 'round here when you see the frankly disgraceful amount of fire-dishonouring that's been going on in your absence!
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Saturday, 11 February 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Monique2009, Friday, 17 February 2006 02:20 (nineteen years ago)
Hahahahaha!!! Awesome. :)Thats very, very cool.
― Monique2009, Friday, 17 February 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)