TS: "European Son" vs. "LA Blues"

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i say european son, but its really close.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

OMG THE CONTROVERSY IS OVERWHELMING

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

LA Blues. Its mixed better.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

LA Blues

make sax, not violins
(or cellos)

― Euler (Euler), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:51 (twenty years ago)

BLOOZ DOODZ. european son i get waaaaay bored of around the 4 minute mark

― ZR (teenagequiet), Thursday, 9 February 2006 20:52 (twenty years ago)

i like the strummy noise - its like a surf-guitar song, with no foundation or backbone. its like an invertebrate surf song. i also like the (avowedly sorta cheesy) breaking glass noise, and the big ol' droney chord at the end.

i also like LA blues, but it doesnt move the way ES does.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

"European Son" by a mile.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

These are the worst songs on both those albums.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:49 (twenty years ago)

even if thats true (and im not sure ES is the worst on the VU and nico), theyre still both awesome songs.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

"European Son" is a killer jam.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:56 (twenty years ago)

I tend to think of them more as failed experiments and both are all the more noticeable as such because other tracks on the same records try the same sorts of things and do them better!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 21:57 (twenty years ago)

i think of "LA blues" as a big sewer that has collected all the shit and dirt and stuff that's run off of all the other songs on fun house. so its awesome and dark and disgusting, but it just sits there.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

ES is exactly what imagine it's like to take a ton of speed, all face-flushed and wired with these couple momentary blasts of euphoria.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:04 (twenty years ago)

LA BLUES

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Uh that's not what taking speed is like (it's also not what ES is like, but that's another point.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

e. son reminds me of take 5

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Uh that's not what taking speed is like (it's also not what ES is like, but that's another point.)

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), February 9th, 2006.

ENLIGHTEN ME

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

Are you asking for drugs?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

uh oh

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

EXPLAIN EXPLAIN

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

If you've taken a ton of speed you aren't going to be sitting there having "little peaks of europhia": one, because speed doesn't have "peaks" like that (you are either up, starting to crash, or crashed) and two, because any europhia you are feeling is overwhelmed by everything else like the fact that it feels like your heart is going to explode because it's beating a mile a minute or your brain is going to overload because you can't stop noticing everything that's going on around you or your teeth are going to shatter because you are clenching them so tightly or you should just clean your apartment and then break into your neighbor's apartment and clean it too in fact that's just what you are going to do and then you do.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:23 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

Hah I have no idea why I can't spell euphoria.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:25 (twenty years ago)

fair enough! now explain european son!

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

I can't! And that's why "European Son" is a meh song! It's not like drugs!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

"make sax, not violins
(or cellos)

-- Euler (euler66...), February 9th, 2006."

i think i luff you...
but, what am i SO afraid of?

― eedd, Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

your a peein son. easy

― |l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l|l| (eman), Thursday, 9 February 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

im stickin with my assessment

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Thursday, 9 February 2006 23:45 (twenty years ago)

LA Blues. Its mixed better.
-- Shakey Mo Collier (audiobo...), February 9th, 2006.

Ironically, I think you can hear a little more of what Cale is doing on the bass than what Dave Alexander is doing. Cale is great on that track. (Is Maureen even on there?) Ron Asheton is really good on "L.A. Blues," but he's the only one who really sticks out much. Listening now, I wasn't even really noticing Steve Mackay that much. And Scott Asheton is no Milford Graves ...

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

I was referring principally to the overly-trebly mix and the emphasis on the violin screeching, which gets tiresome after the 4-minute mark or so (as someone else noted). Once the initial song structure is abandoned, the song just kinda goes nowhere.

LA Blues is punchier and wilder but also less grating on the ears, EQ-wise.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:35 (twenty years ago)

"European Son," to me, is a soothing rumble.

What is "European Son?" It is the ultimate proto-no wave rumble.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:38 (twenty years ago)

(With the possible exception of the 2nd Mahogany Brain album and who knows what else)

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 00:39 (twenty years ago)

And honestly, I don't think "trebly" really describes the sound on that record. There's not a lot of bottom, but there's not a lot of top either. (Surely there's more high frequency sound on "L.A. Blues," no?) And I think that's part of why I hear it as a pleasant "rumble."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Friday, 10 February 2006 01:14 (twenty years ago)

Hah I have no idea why I can't spell euphoria.
-- Alex in SF

Europhian Son!

Perfect endings to perfect albums, and I love 'em both to death. But I'll take LAB 'cause it's more cataclysmic, a three-way scream over staggered drums, whereas ES just feels like it's running in place, more like a formal exercise, compared to LAB's soul-discharge. But ES's more audacious and deserves credit for being the first free-time rock song, maybe. Plus it's got an actual "song" attached. And then there's the ostrich guitar and the bass-abuse and broken glass and that horrible chair-dragging noise and...I change my mind! "European Son" it is.

Next up: "Silver Rocket" vs. "You Made Me Realise"

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 10 February 2006 10:14 (twenty years ago)

YMMR>SR
but teenage riot (just barely)> thorn in the battle of my favorites from those albums.

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:44 (twenty years ago)

full disclosure: i barely ever listen to LA blues.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:52 (twenty years ago)

but I don't even OWN the first VU record. so i dunno what that says.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

what about european son?

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:53 (twenty years ago)

xpost i see

DUDE WHY THE FUCK DO YOU NOT OWN THAT? DO YOU HAVE WHITELIGHT/WHITEHEAT?

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:54 (twenty years ago)

sister ray is like the(at least my) noize dude anthem

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:55 (twenty years ago)

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