Good music with offensive lyrics: Where do you draw the line?

But there's considerable differences between the degree of offensiveness of Skrewdriver and Graveland - Skrewdriver is very direct and overtly political in their racist message ("Kill The Pakis", and what have you). Their message is clear and open and obviously meant to confront and offend.

Graveland just do songs about ancient pagan beliefs, medieval battles, romanticist/nostalgist stuff about how people have lost contact with nature, etc. The crypto-fascist undertones are undeniably there, but you'd have to have a pretty thin skin to get offended by that alone - in the case of Graveland/Burzum/etc case it's the underlying knowledge that these guys hang out with a dubious crowd that makes them offensive.

if i thought something i listened to might offend someone i knew i wouldn't bother playing it for them. other than that i don't really see a reason to get uptight about it, whether it's "pregnant pussy" by UGK or one of the more offensive numbers by grand belial's key.

a movie about a white-power group? sure, if it's a good one. a public service announcement from the movement? no thanks.

Astonishing!

Incredible!

Actually many of the people in the Nazi party and pre-Nazi Germany were of that "butch" school of homosexuality that could be insanely vicious towards others (especially towards feminine homosexuals). This involvement with homosexuality can be traced as far back as Germany, 1865 where the modern gay rights movement starts with the writings of the "third gender" and the "pro-butch/anti-fag" sentiment going all the way up to today with Austria's own Arnold Schwarzenegger showing incredible tolerance of homosexuality in 1970s interviews but still carrying around his famous bias against "girly men" today as governor. As this shows, homosexuals can be as diverse as any other group and can be just as divisive amongst themselves.

Yeah, don't direct link to that shit.

I think this is actually a very interesting question that only Siegbran and El Sabor have attempted to address, it really relates pretty closely to that recent AIDS Wolf thread.

The answer is hopelessly subjective. I sometimes sleep with boys, yet I really love the Angry Samoans' "Homosexual" and at the same time vehemently reject Public Enemy's appalling gay-bashing on "Meet The G That Killed Me".

I like Whitehouse, yet refuse to listen to Rapeman because I hate their name. Yes, I know that isn't exactly consistent.

I don't attempt to defend these aesthetic choices as anything other than my subjective sense at work. Some things click with me, others don't.

Also to thread: The Frogs, Psychodrama, Blackhumour, Death In June, NWA, etc...

I know it's from a comic book, I just find that totally irrelevant since the majority of people listening to it probably don't know that. Even if they do, I don't care. Not rational, as noted above, but it feels right to me.

PS: I like Big Black and Shellac a lot. More contradictions!