TS: Glen Ballard vs. Linda Perry

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I may be the only ILMer who likes "America's Sweetheart," but edge to Ballard for "Lights Out."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

Linda Perry is a sweetheart. I have no idea who Glen Ballard is, so.. Linda Perry.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

notice i'm not discussin the music....

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Ballard vs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Perry

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

this involves morrisette, therefore i must go.

Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of ILMers like "America's Sweetheart". It's bloody great.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Glen Ballard by a long shot (or should that be horse face aka Alanis?).

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 13 February 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

For years I conflated Glen Ballard and Russ Ballard: "Hold Your Head Up, You Jagged Little Pill"

Mitya (mitya), Monday, 13 February 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oops, forgot to dock Perry points for "What's Up?"

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Good question!

Linda Perry did have a hand in Pink's "Don't Let Me Get Me" and Gwen Stefani's "What You Waiting For?" – two of my favorite pop songs of the last few years – and a few others I can't remember right now, so I'll give it to her.

Glen Ballard: I prefer his Wilson Phillips stuff.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

B-A-N-A-N-A-S

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, Perry didn't have a hand in "Don't Let Me Get Me" - that was Dallas Austin - but did have a hand in "Get the Party Started" and "Dear Diary," which I like more, in fact love. I also love "One Word" and "Mono" and "Life Despite God," the last being my favorite of the lot but also has Courtney not Perry taking the production reins. Perry has a full-of-shit art-pretentious side, which enriches rather than diminishes the music when the pop is dominant, drags it down when the pop isn't. I tend to judge performers by their best rather than their worst work, so I rate her highly. Ballard is a subject for further research; his career goes back at least to the early '80s. "You Oughta Know" makes being grating sound catchy.

But why Ballard vs Perry in particular? These days we're awash in talented pop writers and producers: John Shanks & Kara Dioguardi, Max Martin & Luke Gottwald, Clif Magness, David Hodges & Ben Moody, Ric Wake, Greg Wells, not to mention the Neptunes, who are getting their hands in on the pop side of the charts. Oh yeah, and the Matrix, and Leah Haywood & Dan James. That's just off the top of my head. I'd say that it was the John Shanks/Michelle Branch "Everywhere" that kicked open the commercial door for the modern teenpop confessional that Perry and the Matrix (and Shanks himself) went on to mine. (Of course, Jagged Little Pill was years earlier, but that was presented as something more serious than mere pop, and Morissette entirely suppressed her teen dancepop past.)

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Clif Magness co-wrote "Lights Out," by the way.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 13 February 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

But why Ballard vs Perry in particular?

This is actually a very good question. It was partially a kidding response to anti-Ballardism on the John Lennon/"Mother" thread. So e.g., how is it that Shelby Lynne manages arguably her best AND her worst work with Ballard.

Partially though because Ballard does appear to set a sort of template for the producer/collaborator vein that Perry has worked so well in the 2000s. While The Matrix certainly have copped more of Ballard's studio moves, maybe also because Perry works exclusively with women, while Ballard just seems to work best with women.

Also because it makes Morisette/Pink comparisons inevitable, which is just fun.

So in short, I wish I'd given this question the thought that it deserves, but it was all gut. Also it was very late and I was a little punchy. It could have ended up TS: Glen Ballard vs. Glenn Danzig...

rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 04:48 (nineteen years ago)


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