Bands that don't "count" as being the real band anymore

I think Weezer should have reunited under a different moniker when they did so in the five years in-between Pinkerton and the green album.

I don't thank the Replacements were the Replacements once they got replacements.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madhyamaka

but both would still have to bow down before menudo.

"Dude, I'm so freakin pissed. I went to see Devendra Banhart at Webster Hall last night and who the fuck opens the show but the "bunnybrains". This is not the bunnybrains i grew up loving and rolling joints off albums bought at Gerosa records. Dan is pissing me off! How the fuck can he get such high profile shows (the press swarmed the stage obscuring my view) parading around like art-rock gods. And who is going to respond lovingly to my squaks of "DANBURY" I mean the guy said "we're the bunnybrains from upstate new york" Grrrr man, just grrrr. No one in the audience knew the backstory and probably wouldnt care to listen anyway."

new King Crimson.

I think Love is a great example of a band that will always be "the real Love" no matter what scared bunch of 20-somethings Arthur Lee rustles up to back him.

I thought it was kind of weird that the rhythm section of Atomic Bitchwax kept the name going after Ed Mundell took off, considering his tie in with Monster Magnet probably got most people to hear the band in the first place. It must be some kind of nu-James Gang kind of situation.

The Clash without Mick? (Ooh, that will start some fighting!)

Voting still out on Sugababes.

What's interesting are the cases when bands lose a key member, keep the name and then create essentially a second career (viz. Genesis and Manics)

It's supposed to materialize this summer.

-- sleeve (sleev...), February 15th, 2006.

A version of Love w/o Arthur Lee but WITH original guitarist Johnny Echols, backed by various members of Baby Lemonade is about to go out on tour under the name "The Love Band" with Arthur's grudging permission. Apparently they sacked Arthur last year for getting to wierd and unpredictable and figure that, with 10 years backing the great man they have paid their dues.

Does this count?

Although they still "count" for me I dunno what hardcore metalheads think of their multiple line ups.

yeah I know, but only for a bit, and after he was in Flag. it's the imbalance that gets me, rather than the actual presence of Dez or Robo.

I definitely do not count Clash II: Electric Boogaloo as real.

Yes, post-Wakeman.

-- matt the queeg, Friday, February 17, 2006 6:06 AM (1 year ago)

uhhh Yes has Rick Wakemen since 2002 and also has the same 5 members as their 1972 lineup. How many bands can say they have all the same members as their peak in the early 70s?

Also, while this topic is back up, King Crimson are getting back together with the same guys as usual (Belew, Fripp, Gunn, and Mastelotto) except with an additional drummer who's name hasn't been dropped yet... Bruford anyone?

anyone who brings up the Smashing Pumpkins is not OTM

i.e., totally an Auteur band

um, yeah, but... no.

Being a fucking control-freak asshole does not make your band an "auteur band", it just makes you a dick. Chamberlain is absolutely essential. Iha was pretty fucking important too.

yeah, but Adore was recorded without Chamberlin, and Siamese Dream, almost entirely by Billy Corgan in the studio. both are great records. if anyone is essential it's Chamberlin, whose drumming is a hell of a lot more distinctive than Iha's guitar playing. but the drum-machine experiment worked out pretty well, i would argue.

And what was Lone Justice other than Maria McKee backed by some people?

While it's true that the band was completely different on each of the albums, Shane Fontayne's guitar on Shelter is its chief redeeming quality. I'd have liked to have seen that lineup make a couple more.

Oh God, the New Cars.

What about the Electric Prunes with Axelrod and no actual members of the band?

http://www.protons.com.br/megazine/figuras/BFtsol02.jpg

edward III otm about the misfits upthread

Kiss without Ace & Peter

The Stranglers without Hugh

The New York Dolls without Johnny Thunders

manic street preachers

Also, while this topic is back up, King Crimson are getting back together with the same guys as usual (Belew, Fripp, Gunn, and Mastelotto) except with an additional drummer who's name hasn't been dropped yet... Bruford anyone?

-- CaptainLorax, Monday, October 8, 2007 12:49 AM (11 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Uh, what's your source for this? Gunn quit KC a few years ago and Tony Levin has rejoined, though they haven't recorded anything yet. Fripp has mentioned reconvening in '08 I think.

Led Zeppelin

Interesting, I just found a new Mastelotto interview and he mentions the upcoming 2-drummer lineup.

This doesn't count, but I think it's weird that both Starship* and Jefferson Starship are touring right now.

*Or as the ads say, "Mickey Thomas' Starship"

SPIRITUALIZED

wtf, crimson doesn't need another fucking drummer in there; they need to can mastoletto and pay bruford a lot of money and keep levin and stop making so much distortion noise and do some more pretty shit like the 80's records

They need to can Mastoletto if for no other reason than he was in Mr.Mister

That's a dumb reason.

Styx without Dennis DeYoung isn't Styx (for better or worse).

SPIRITUALIZED
-- BATTAGS, Monday, October 8, 2007 6:16 PM (44 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

U LYE

All those older doo-wop and Motown groups...IIRC they actually had to pass legislation to make sure that a random group of people couldn't just call themselves such-and-such band and get away with it. Urban legend has it that Berry Gordy lost the "Marvelettes" brand name in a game of poker, and some manager went for years just putting some random black girls on a stage, and no one could tell the difference.

i really think the best way to parse this stuff is just that everything officially released under a band's name is by the band. its clear that personnel changes in bands, but it seems way too arbitrary to start picking and choosing.

-- pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Wednesday, February 15, 2006 3:43 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

i still stand by this!

making reasoned arguments = arbitrary

Radiohead from "Kid A" onwards.

Because they didn't sound like Radiohead anymore.

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nope, no lie, Spiritualized after J Spaceman fired one of the best bands on the planet sucked afterwards. Let it Come Down & Amazing Grace pale in comparison to the previous three albums, and all it took was one show with the new lineup to convince me that it wasn't the same anymore and the band i wanted to see was long gone. Spiritualized will always be *that* band, and *those* albums. I don't really know anyone personally who thinks differently.

W.A.S.P. after everyone quit.

battags is wrong.

yeah, I must have gotten gunn and levin confused.

no Michael Anthony, no Van Halen...

hate to say it but: r...e...m

mum without the twins

King Crimson with Adrian Belew isn't King Crimson.

The New York Dolls without Johnny Thunders

Amen

I figured this thread was revived over the sugababes new video where it really takes you off guard when you realise its the sugababes and not some band you've never heard of.

Yeah, they should rename themselves "Sugababes"

I definitely do not count Clash II: Electric Boogaloo as real.

neither do any of the five members of the band, so that's alright

(the bloke who made the album probably does though)

Yeah, they should rename themselves "Sugababes"

How does saying this help anyone? Huh?!

Oh, wait I get it.