― whatever (boglogger), Friday, 17 February 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Friday, 17 February 2006 09:57 (nineteen years ago)
― NickB (NickB), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:13 (nineteen years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:32 (nineteen years ago)
What about limited edition/out of print stuff? Those artists don't get a penny of the astronomical amounts of profit some items are making on the second-hand market.
― StanM (StanM), Friday, 17 February 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 17 February 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 17 February 2006 11:18 (nineteen years ago)
― StanM (StanM), Friday, 17 February 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)
The publishing industry has survived despite the millions of used bookstores out there. The furniture industry has survived despite the millions of thift stores.
What makes the recording industry so special, exactly?
― Kent Burt (lingereffect), Friday, 17 February 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)
― js (honestengine), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)
― patrick bateman (mickeygraft), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 17 February 2006 14:52 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)
If that was true of publishing, why is the entire industry so pissy about Google book search, which if it does anything, raises the profile of individual books to completely unprecedented levels? Sorry to say it, but the book industry is quickly going the same way as the record companies.
Anyway, I've heard publishing agents gripe about libraries - "a library book borrowed four times = three lost sales", etc.
― Tim Rutherford-Johnson (Rambler), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Friday, 17 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 17 February 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)
Of course. But on the other hand, I only buy records from the secondhand shop when they're good.
― Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)
― dan. (dan.), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)
― dan. (dan.), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)
Right, because if not for libraries, people would be buying up books like hotcakes or some other fast-selling thing.
I mean, people just love buying books.
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 17 February 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)
the fact? so many people burn-and-then-sell/return good music is a boon for used cd buyers like myself, but I wonder why they even bother when there's p2p? Are there that many people who're snobbish about "lossy files" or something?
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 18 February 2006 01:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Saturday, 18 February 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)
of course, but it seems like he was implying a per-use payment for borrowing. i'd never heard of that.
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 18 February 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)
― J. Lamphere (WatchMeJumpStart), Saturday, 18 February 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 18 February 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)
Many industries, like publishing, have a philsophy of, "what's good for the product in general is good for us, what raises interest in the product or activity (such as reading) in general is good for everyone in it." The music industry doesn't seem to understand this.
-- patrick bateman (p...), February 17th, 2006 2:33 PM. (later)OTM. Both of them.
Also, the RIAA suffers more harm from mass-scale counterfeiting from full-sized pressing plants in China/Taiwan/Korea than ALL of the file-trading and hometaping that goes on in the US. But the RIAA strikes out at the small-fry close at hand because its more convenient, I suppose.The irony is that what the small fry -- who paid for a legit CD and merely copied it onto his iPod/Zen/GoGear -- is still within his constitutionally protected statutory rights to make his copy. Fair Use and First Purchase and all. The illegal pressing plants in China aren't within 1000 light years of legality. So why do they get the get out of jail free card?
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Sunday, 19 February 2006 07:09 (nineteen years ago)
I have occasionally done when there are undeniably better remasters available.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 19 February 2006 09:31 (nineteen years ago)
ever hear of something called TAXES?
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 19 February 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)
China is the emerging market to watch in the next couple of decades. More than a billion of potential customers and cheap laborers, no country wants them as their enemy. The rest (our own jobs, artists, copyrights) don't mean shit compared to that. Heck, our (Belgian) royalty and government go there on trade missions every couple of months, what do they care if their own citizens lose our jobs? Trillions of €€€$$$£££ to be made if we can keep on China's good side!
Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with music, I know, but that's the bigger picture you need for the explanation. (Why did Google agree to censorship? Exactly the same reason.)
― StanM (StanM), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 19 February 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 February 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)
― Lord Custos Omicron (Lord Custos Omicron), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
Oh yes. RIAA probably wants to sue the hell out of them, but the bigger picture is:
The chance for a whole country to buy/sell oil and gas and cars and wood and metal and food and drink and clothing and fruit and vegetables and meat and grain and labour and kidneys and animals and plastic and medicine and herbs
vs.
counterfeit albums and other trademarked stuff.
― StanM (StanM), Monday, 20 February 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)
I only take records to the secondhand shop when they suck. In which case, the artist doesn't deserve two lots of royalties. ...
-- NickB (nic...), February 17th, 2006. (NickB)
If the RIAA tried to demand royalties for secondhand-store sales, someone would surely argue that the artist should have to give back some royalties when you sell his CD to a secondhand store. And I'm sure the RIAA wouldn't want to get into that, if for no other reason than the bookkeeping involved.
― Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Monday, 20 February 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)
― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)
Keep in mind, also, that a 100 years ago, there was rampant piracy in the United States as a matter of course. Unless a book was first published in the US, there was no protection for books by foreign writers (ie, the British). Dickens never made a cent off the books he sold here, nor did the Brontes or anyone else. The idea that copyrights in one country are protected in another is relatively new. I don't remember when the first world agreements started popping up, but I'm pretty sure it's less than 70 years ago.
So yeah, let China pirate all they want now; in sixty years, it'll be a mature market with a desire for Hollywood films and Japanese noise rock or whatever the hell is popular then.
― brilliant young and angsty (thatguy), Monday, 20 February 2006 16:35 (nineteen years ago)