african musik: suggestions?

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So i'm totally ignorant when it comes to any sort of african music and was looking for some good starting points or essentials. i've been really into Remain In Light and My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts for years and all the interviews i've read with Byrne and Eno from that period have them praising all this tribal african rhythm stuff but i never hear them name check stuff specificly. i've never really even gotten into fela or anything, although i downloaded the Confusion And Gentleman record today from itunes cuz they were like $4 together. yeah, any suggestions at all would be sweet.

tonyD (noiseyrock), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

Not really African, but you could possibly like this one as well.

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

you should check out one of the many African music threads:


http://ilx.p3r.net/searchresults.php?board=2&mode=threads&q=&titlepart=african&name=&email=&username=&dateafter=&datebefore=&catid=all

scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

those threads aren't very helpfull, i'll look for some of the stuff mentioned in those but i'm really looking for specific suggestions of a couple of good starting points for someone whose only exposure to this sort of thing is thru rock music.

tonyD (noiseyrock), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

Fela Kuti, the Black President best-of is a good place to start

Chris Wright (DrFunktronic), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:13 (nineteen years ago)

that other thread mentioned the king sunny ade stuff, i checked out juju music and that seems kinda what im going for, also any stuff that's maybe more percussion-only or african drum records pre-80's

tonyD (noiseyrock), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

Try 1)Fela's Expensive Shit/He Miss Road (though Confusion/Gentlemen is a good starting point too, so see how you like it); 2) Ali Farka Toure s/t; 3) Orchestre Baobab Pirate's Choice; 4) Konono #1 Congotronics; King Sunny Ade Best of the Classic Years

There are whole universes to go to from there.

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)

5) King Sunny Ade obv

mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 01:39 (nineteen years ago)

The Indestructible Beat of Soweto (first volume crucial, others excellent; there are six)

Golden Afrique Vol. 1 & 2 (newish 2CD comps, fucking amazing; I have been playing Vol. 2 all weekend)

various volumes of the Rough Guide series are excellent, cheap, easy to find; if one looks good it probably is. my favorites are on Kenya and (separate volume) Kenya & Tanzania

acres more of course but those will get you started, and no they're not especially "tribal" (cough), they're just great

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 02:29 (nineteen years ago)

a relatively cheap way to start is through emusic, which has a pretty good african selection along with some nice informative write-ups from their staff and amg. i've gotten a bunch of good african stuff through them.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

(ha, i just realized i posted that right under matos. i'm not whoring for him, honest, i just really like emusic.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

in the late 1980s peel played something that i like and i taped it and wrote it down (phonetically). fast forward 16+ years to last sunday when the Observer reviewed this:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000E1Z28A

the new Stella Chiweshe 2 cd compilation and there it is, the very last track, Vano Vako Vopera. this is mostly percussive (from what i remember) but not especially drum based.

the other things i remember from peel were the Four Brothers (bought Makorokoto at the weekend) and the Bhundu Boys, both of whom were picked up by Cooking Vinyl for english releases back in the day. Diblo Dibala was the other name that used to catch my attention. those guitars.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

"exuma" first records will do the work.

f, Tuesday, 21 February 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Madiba Jabi" off of Jali Roll by Kausu Kuyateh and Dembo Konte might be may favorite piece of music of all time. This stuff is Malian kora music, so it might be in the "intermediate" realm of African music, I dunno, but it is incredibly beautiful. Not one but two people I have played it for over the years have wept at it on first listen.

novamax (novamax), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

second the Golden Afrique, tho i only know Vol. 1. while already familiar with some of the names, like Salif Keita, Bembeya, etc., it really packages it all together splendidly. i love looking at the covers of these old records tons.
field recordings from Smithsonian and Ocora are recommended too. it's impossible to overstate how much folks like Eno, Jon Hassell, Byrne, as well as newbies like Black Dice and Animal Collective, draw from these deep wells of sound.

Beta (abeta), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Been listening to and really enjoying a few comps --
Soul of Angola
Lagos Chop Up
Golden Afrique
And not a comp, but the Nonesuch CD of Saka Acquaye and his African Ensemble is a beautiful record.

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

probably not what you are looking for, but i really like this cameroon baka pygmy set (esp the acapellas)

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000025MP5/qid=1140545302/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl/202-4194770-2438210

terry lennox. (gareth), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Benn Loxo Du Taccu blog has lots of goods...

http://mattgy.net/music/

cnwb (cnwb), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

second the Golden Afrique, tho i only know Vol. 1.

I'm beginning to think Vol. 2 is the best African comp I've ever heard, no joke.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know how easy it is to find, but Olatunji, "Drums of Passion" is spectacular.

Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 21 February 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

someone stole my "Drums of Passion", dammit

Manu Dibango

Thea (Thea), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Drums of Passion" should be in print.

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

I found "Drums of Passion" for 50 cents. Score!

cnwb (cnwb), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

Not sure if this is considered "good" or "cheesy" or whatever (not even sure this is the sort of stuff that you're looking for)...but I *love* the Missa Luba. There's a good recording of it with Boniface Mganga directing the Muungano National Choir. "Gloria" is particularly wonderful. I'm addicted to it.

Turangalila (Salvador), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

Musique Populaire Africaine is the one I'm enjoying at the moment. The older the African pop music is, the more I like it.

John Storm Roberts ran an ethnomusic label called Original Music - if you can find the Money Be No Sand compilation, or Francis Bebey's Akwaaba, or Kampala Sound: 1960s Ugandan Dance Music, or The Sound of Kinshasa, or ... just buy anything you see on that label. Very hard to locate.

The Orchestra Baobab records are always a fine choice, and easily available.

There was a nice compilation of two South African outfits - the Dark City Sisters and the Flying Jazz Queens - called South African Marabi Jive which is great.

Rough Guide did a nice Franco compilation.

I'm sure somebody's suggested Konono No 1 already.

Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks everybody for the Golden Afrique recommendations.

Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 01:02 (nineteen years ago)

Stay away from Konono No. 1. Boring crap, and totally unlike anything else you're gonna hear. I just got two great compilations in the mail today - Lagos Chop Up (mentioned upthread) and its companion volume, Lagos All Routes. Funk and Afro-beat from 70s Nigeria. Killer stuff. On Honest Jons/Astralwerks.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the recent World Psychadelic Classics Volume 3: Love is a Real Thing. Definitely a good entry point into African music from a rock angle.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Having recently seen 'Broken Flowers' I got the Ethiopiques Vol. 4 disc by Mulatu Astatqé and it's an absolute joy.

I also enjoyed Salif Keita's M'Bemba a lot (his most recent record). And that was thanks to hearing that Luciano remix.

Jena (JenaP), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh oh oh The History of Township Music is totally essential, 28 tracks covering 1939-81, amazing. and The Kings & Queens of Township Jive: Modern Roots of the Indestructible Beat of Soweto gets LOADS of play by me, total fun.

The Ethiopiques vols I like most are 1, 3, 4, and 8. I like not love Konono No. 1. The Franco Rough Guide is terrific but even better is the one on Manteca, also from 2001: The Rumba Giant of the Congo is I think the title. Green and red cover, retails cheap (mine was $12), do not pass it up. Franco & Rochereau's Omona Wapi is also terrific.

Seconding Brakhage, I really hope someone revives Original Music, lots of great shit on that label. Also seconding Brakhage, Dark City Sisters & Flying Jazz Queens is awesome. I have a friend who put "Sekusile" on every mixtape he made for a year.

Also, Kenya Dance Mania on Earthworks retails for like $10. Guitar Paradise of East Africa is also terrific; track 3 (Daniel Kamau's "Mumbi Ni Wakwa") is one of my favorite tracks ever.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't totally African but Rounder's Kwanzaa Party comp (all Afro-diasporic) is really really good, a rarity in a collection that spans lots of places/eras/styles.

And--duh--The Music in My Head Vols 1 & 2 are the BOMB.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

all right, two YSI's from Golden Afrique Vol. 2

Nyboma's "Doublé-Doublé" (from disc one)

and

Le Likembé Geant, "Bika Nzanga" (from disc two)

enjoy!

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

Last year I really got into Stella Chiweshe...

Tapera (We Are Perishing)

Ndindereri

cnwb (cnwb), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

also check out the Ethiopiques compilation, especially Mahmoud Ahmed's tracks on vol. 3

trees (treesessplode), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

"My Own Memory" from Ethiopiques Vol. 4 - featured in Broken Flowers

http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2IHTPQJNOBFMA3L19276GQ0O3I

cnwb (cnwb), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 05:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'd hunt down anything you can from the syliphone label...bembeya jazz national are the gateway, their "syliphone years" comp is fantastic.
then I'd check out balla et ses balladins, horoya band and camayenne sofa. but you should be able to find the syliphone 40 year anniversary compilation, if you can't find any volumes of the tremendous "syliphone discotheque" series.

0ne malian group who could really rock, in their way, were super biton de segou. I adore their record "belle epoque" which shouldn't be too hard to hunt down. great delayed guitar stuff with fast shifting rhythms and loud choruses. they have a certain energy i haven't encountered elsewhere. they won the youth orchestra competition so many times that the government just started paying them.

if you liked salif keita then you should look into the earlier rail band recordings--I'm with Brakhage, the older the better. the rail band feature some stunning guitar work.

i do an mp3 blog which focuses on one genre a month and offers two mix cd's in said genre over the course of the month. african music is next month so maybe people would like to check it out. i can't promise anything as uniformly good as "golden afrique" but it should be a pretty varied and excellent program, plus i don't have to follow any rules except my own taste. http://www.mixotheque.com

naturemorte, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really curious about the new release by Kekele --

http://www.sternsmusic.com/disk_info.php?id=STCD1101

Anybody heard? I know, I could listen to the clips online ... I only think to do so at work, where I can't.

TRG (TRG), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

to the ethiopiques love just let me point out again my all-encompassing fervor for alemayehu eshete. the funkiest music, the most awesome voice, "the ethiopian james brown," all that stuff. he's got an entire volume dedicated to him (vol. 9) and tracks of his appear on vols. 3, 8, and 10. if you're most familiar w/american rock, he's a fantastic entry point - some of his material is basically africanized 60's r&b/funk. it's all awesome. also some of alayew mesfin's music falls in a similar groove - "hasabe" from vol. 8 is particularly worth seeking out if you wanna hear how hard the ethio-sound can rock. he deserves more attention too.

wangdangsweetpentangle (teenagequiet), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

The aforementioned "Sekusile" (AAC/.m4a, sorry)

http://s29.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=04ZIEPN9YPPUO210NDUEFR926I

Brakhage (brakhage), Wednesday, 22 February 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Because this is ILX no one wants to point you towards a very useful article on pitchfork last year, "Indestructible Beat," which was also discussed on a thread here somewhere. If you read through it you'll see several albums which are mentioned multiple times - they're good starting places. (There are also a handful of people with the full set on s1sk, btw.)

Apologies for repeating earlier suggestions...
1. World Psychelelic Classics 3 comps on Luaka Bop
2. Afro Rock Volume 1 (especially as you say you're coming from a rock angle)
3. Golden Afrique comps - I would suggest that you start with Vol 1, as Volume 2 is entirely soukous. Also good stuff but at this point I'd think you're looking for broader exposure.

Also, not really what you're talking about, I highly recommend tracking down some Cymande stuff ("The Message," "Fug"). Absolutely blistering!

mitya's login cookie is on another computer, Wednesday, 22 February 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I remember one of those Classic Album shows about Paul Simon's Graceland album and he was talking about travelling around Africa and coming across a tape of some african music which ended up being the foundation for the album - does anyone have a clue what it was?

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Thursday, 23 February 2006 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

indestructible beat of soweto?

wangdangsweetpentangle (teenagequiet), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think what Simon heard was actually Indestructible Beat, but it might just as well have been.

Surprised that no one has mentioned Brian Jones Presents The Pipes of Pan at Jajouka, which is still easily available. North African (not sub-Saharan), primitivist (not afropop), shaped by a somewhat hippie sensibility, but still probably historically important as a vector for introducing people like Byrne and Eno to African music. Also, people like it a lot. Also important were King Sunny Ade and Fela Kuti (much mentioned already), but also Hugh Masakela's Soul Makossa and a group called Ossibisa.

As for what people who dig Eno/Byrne would like now: if I had to bet on one record, it would be Konono #1.

Vornado, Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)


Eno also produced an African pop group in the early 80's - Edikanfo the album was called The Pace Setters. No idea how it sounds, but I've just ordered The Indestructible Beat Of Soweto on the back of this thread.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Thursday, 23 February 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

what Simon heard was a comp called Gumboots

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Thursday, 23 February 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)


Cheers Matos - do you know if it's still available? Had a look on Discogs but no listing. I presume it's pretty rare.

JohnFoxxsJuno (JohnFoxxsJuno), Friday, 24 February 2006 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen a copy myself

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

Geir to thread

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

The new Lobi Traore album on Astralwerks is pretty good.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 24 February 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Philip Tabane and Malombo, Chris Mcgregor and The Blue Notes, Bhundu Boys (Championed by Peel), Orchestra Boabab.

Makrugaik (makrugaik), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

A copy of Golden Afrique Vol. 1 showed up in my mail today.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 27 February 2006 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

A copy of Golden Afrique Vol. 1 showed up in my mail today.

you're going to be a happy man.

Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just bought my copy of Golden Afrique #1 yesterday based on this thread and it rocks my world, plus my 5-month-old son is crazy about it.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

The first track on Disc One is one of the greatest things I've ever heard in my life, no joke.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

all of these are incredibly good and worth seeking out.

Tinariwen - Amassakoul
Congotronics - Konono N1
Ejigayehu (Gigi) Shibabaw & Abyssinia Infinite - Zion Roots
Amadou & Mariam - Dimanche a Bamako

harshaw (jube), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't get the Konono love. That album bored the shit out of me.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 01:33 (nineteen years ago)

i love both congotronics albums.

but i did hear konono used as filler music on 'all things considered' last week, which means it has earned the dreaded 'npr music' label.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:26 (nineteen years ago)

The DVD that accompanies Congotronics 2 is amazing. I watched it 2 nights ago after drinking a number of really strong beers, but I swore they were some of the best music videos I'd ever seen. I trust I wasn't imagining it.

Still waiting for Golden Afrique 2 to arrive... but yeah, GA 1 is incredible.

TRG (TRG), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:48 (nineteen years ago)

seven months pass...
i missed the first of these:

BBC Four UK, The African Rock 'n' Roll Years:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/music/features/african-rock.shtml

but caught the second and it was fascinating. had never seen anyone playing a mbira before, very odd looking but sounds great.

Koogy Yonderboy (koogs), Thursday, 12 October 2006 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

toumani diabate to thread, spesh Djelika

winter testing (winter testing), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

D'Gary
Sidi Toure

Ghost Bear Junior High Attendance Party (Ghost Bear Junior High Attenda), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Aside from Fela Kuti, Manu Dibango, Tony Allen, here're some of my regular rotation Afrobeat tracks:

Burundi Black - Burundi Black
Ice - Racubah!
Black Blood - A.I.E (A'Mwana)
Buari - Advice From Father
Malinga Five with D'Allan Shelly - Kaloule Woman
Oneness of Juju - African Rhythms
Oneness of Juju - Too Poo-Liberation Dues
Dan Boadi & The African Internationals - Money Is The Root Of Evil
Blo - Get That Groove In

On the flipside, I occasionally listen to Musicians of the Nile.

PappaWheelie: Giving out breaks to the needy since September 25th, 2006 (PappaWh, Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago)


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