Your geekiest music collecting pet peeves

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Man, sometimes I get all Monk about this shit:

1. I hate - HATE - when bands / labels don't put any information on the CD face itself. What of us Case Logic-ers?? I have about ten CDs in my CD book (which is only for the car) that have the same fucking design, more or less.

2. Black, glossy anything. Maybe this is OCD, I dunno, but CD booklets that are printed on black, LPs that are glossy black, and (perhaps worst of all) actual labels on records that are black. Fingerprints = unavoidable! Unless you're gonna use fucking surgical gloves to handle a $5 record, which I most certainly am not.

Solutions? What else bugs you?

Eagle, Friday, 24 February 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

Those ridiculous double cd cases, which inevitably fall apart and keep doing so every time you open them. Surely someone can come up with a better design than that, especially considering the amount we pay for them.

Ant, Friday, 24 February 2006 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

The fact that CD2 doesn't fit inside the foldout part of cd1 without removing the cover. Whoever said Boo radleys on another thread is OTM. This was a big problem in the late 90's, less so nowadays but still irritating.

Ant, Friday, 24 February 2006 12:39 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when the text on the spine is printed bottom-to-top instad of top-to-bottom, like 95% of all other CDs.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

My biggest pet peeve is that now it seems to me that I "collect" computer files. I miss the old days.

mcd (mcd), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I hate it when the text on the spine is printed bottom-to-top instad of top-to-bottom, like 95% of all other CDs.

Curtis Mayfield's "Supefly" springs to mind

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Worse than no info on the CD (imo) is no track listing on the outside of the case. I should be able to flip it over and find out what song is what, goddamnit!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I really hate that too...
I also get annoyed when the track listing isn't on the back cover and that you have to open the damn thing to find it (or even worse, actually have to take out the booklet to look inside it...). Also, tracklists without numbers next to them, forcing out to count the titles if you wanna put on a specific song.

xpsot of course

Le Baaderonixx de Clignancourt (baaderonixx), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

This problem is exacerbated when you are dealing with releases that use 'non-standard' packaging (Trilogie by Molasses springs to mind).

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Friday, 24 February 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

i hate getting promos in anything but the original jewel case

rizzx (Rizz), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

> Whoever said Boo radleys on another thread is OTM

Hello!

that said, i remembered worse examples of this - those smiths cd singles did the same thing (full width album case for the first part, double case for the second part thus rendering the first case completely superfluous). and belle and sebastian who re-released their first three cd singles as a box of 3 20 minute cd singles rather than putting all the music on one disk.

also, double cd cases. some hinge from the middle, some hinge from the edge and it's never obvious which is which.

no tracklisting on the outside of the case is worst when said case is still in the shop and security sealed.

one more: primal scream - echo dek.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

having to destory carefully folder multipaged inner booklets that wont fit past those jewel case holders in the sleeve ..

or the sleeves that are folded such that you have to get your fingernails inbeteween the paper and the plastic .. knowing full well that the process is going to rip/fold/crease the booklet .. when sliding it out ..

BTW - pump up that point re lettering being wrong way around .. i mean c'mon ! tis not rocket science ..

mark e (mark e), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

When CDs that are longer that 70 minutes start skipping when you play your stereo too loud.

Trying to file 3" CDs.

Filing all your Kool Keith or MF Doom or Wu-Tang stuff in one section, then forgetting that you did that.

When you only have one CD by a band, and its in a slipcase, so you totally forget you own it.

Really tight grippy holes in a CD case. You tug and tug and tug and the CD doesn't come out until it snaps in half (this happened to disc 3 or 4 of my Anthology Of American Folk Music!)

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

i hate the way most records look. "oh wow, the title's on the cover, and the tracks are listed on the back. cool." blah.

someone still attempting to play with the severe limitations of cd packaging is commendable...i like a little mystery with my artwork...i like something i can leave on my desk and someone will walk by and pick it up and say, "what's this."

if i'm looking for a specific song by an artist i will have allmusic-ed or amazon-ed the tracklisting before i go to the record store...problem solved. i don't see the packaging as just being an album information holder. put me in a mood, surprise or confuse me...and to quote the movie Night of the Creeps, "thrill me."

one concession...actuel and blue jazz releases that had to stick with two panels. they used the front like a movie poster and the back like a one-sheet. nice.

bobby.lasers (bobby.lasers), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I remember spending twenty minutes trying to find the tracklisting for Orbital's Middle Of Nowhere when I first got it. I was with a mate and neither of us could find it. Not on the back, the front, the card outer sleeve, not anywhere in the booklet. Where is it? In tiny fucking letters on the spine! Arseholes.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Really tight grippy holes in a CD case

Or indeed, the opposite, where the feckin' CDs are constantly falling out (see: Pierre Schaeffer, "L' Oeuvre Musicale")

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

When the inward-pointing teeth that hold the CD in the case have snapped off before you've even taken the wrapping off, so when you open the case they sprinkle on the floor
xpost – leading to exactly that

beanz (beanz), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I get all Monk
Monk? Like Tony Shaloub? The OCD detective?

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

2. Black, glossy anything ...Fingerprints = unavoidable!

Those Impulse reissues are absolutely the worse for this, after looking at the enclosed booklets two or three times they look like they've been passed round the changing rooms a couple of dozen times by the Turkish Olympic Wrestling team

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

argh...labels that refuse to put the issue year on the outside packaging.

irrigation can save your purple, Friday, 24 February 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Really tight grippy holes in a CD case. You tug and tug and tug and the CD doesn't come out until it snaps in half (this happened to disc 3 or 4 of my Anthology Of American Folk Music!)

Try holding the edge of the case with your fingers and pressing the center thingy (like you have to do with some DVD cases).

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

a few:

those slightly-larger-than-the rest cds (Orange Juice The Glasgow School comes to mind) that don't fit on the shelves w/ the rest, and consequently lie forgotten, elsewhere

call me lazy, but i demand TRACK NUMBERS next to track names. counting thru the list to find the number of the track you want to hear next is a constant frustration

how about those ultra-sticky clear labels across the top of new cds? WHY CANT THAT GO ON TOP OF THE SHRINKWRAP? WHY??

re: above posts: Deerhoof's The Runners Four: i broke the case trying to open it, then, the cd was stuck in the center thing--took ten minutes to free it, and, finally, on the back: NO TRACK NUMBERS!!

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Black vinyl sleeves with ink that seems to rub off even when it's just sitting there, leaving lighter spots all over.

CD cases that have a bunch of plastic prongs that are supposed to hold the disc in place but have instead shattered leaving the album floating in the case while plastic shards rattle around.

Artists who have the first few releases in very similar packaging that looks great on the shelf only to switch graphic styles and go from a digipak to a jewel case after a few releases. Anymore the only reason I really want to keep albums is nice packaging.

mike h. (mike h.), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

oooh .. i hate those silver hologram styled 'special edition' stickers that are on uk versions. they dont come off. bastards.

mark e (mark e), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

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Mark (MarkR), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

There has never been so much OTM concentrated in a single ILM thread.

Those paper cases that still have the seat for the CD never seem able to hold it in place, so if you move the album it's always falling out. And fuckin' slipcases that are so tight and of such cheap material that you can't help but rip them when you pull out the album (happens more with tiny cds). I also hate buying jazz reissues that have all of the liner notes printed like on the LP, only shrunk down. What, I'm supposed to use my loupe to read about the line-up? Motherfuckers.

js (honestengine), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

i hate vinyls without the underwear, erm, inner sleeves

nique (nique), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I only add this one.

Brand new, shrinkwrapped CD albums, that when you open them, the teeth fall out, so it can't 'hold' the CD anymore.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

There has never been so much OTM concentrated in a single ILM thread.

OTM!!

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

oooh .. i hate those silver hologram styled 'special edition' stickers that are on uk versions. they dont come off. bastards.

And I've never found anything "special" about them either,

Ben Dot (1977), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and "Domestic edition" = USA version, "International edition" means UK and everywhere else.

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

re: above posts: Deerhoof's The Runners Four: i broke the case trying to open it, then, the cd was stuck in the center thing--took ten minutes to free it, and, finally, on the back: NO TRACK NUMBERS!!
I just checked my copy, and the hinge is broken is well. Center grippies all right, though.

those slightly-larger-than-the rest cds (Orange Juice The Glasgow School comes to mind) that don't fit on the shelves w/ the rest, and consequently lie forgotten, elsewhere
Yup. The worst recent offender was the deluxe version of the new Belle And Sebastian, especially since in retrospect I would have been perfectly happy with the other version. (Or no version at all?)


Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Soul Jazz records are a paragon of goodness, except sometimes the card sleeve fits so tightly around the jewel case that you can't get it out. This happened yesterday with NY Noise Vol 2.It took me 20 minutes to prise the mutha out.
Also no numbered tracklisting with this one, with running times and writing credits (Vol 1 had this). So you have to scan thru the multicoloured writing on the card box to find what's playing. Great design but... ow! my eyes!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

Doctor My Eyes!

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I hate when CDs come with obi strips that are too big for me to place either inside the booklet or inside the case somehow without folding. It seems like American CDs are the big offenders here, Japanese CDs know how to size the properly.

Dominique (dleone), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

You know I was going to say that earlier but couldn't think of how to phrase it - obi strips, thank you!

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Soul Jazz records are a paragon of goodness, except sometimes the card sleeve fits so tightly around the jewel case that you can't get it out. This happened yesterday with NY Noise Vol 2.It took me 20 minutes to prise the mutha out.

I love that comp, but yeah, fuck the packaging. I took it in the van the other day, but left the cardboard slip at home because i didn't want it to get fucked up and bent in my bag. My friends were like "ooh, what's this track?" I had a full jewel case and full liner notes, yet there was NO WAY for me to know what song it was without the cardboard sleeve!

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.ewanmcgregoronline.com/Images_ewan_stills/Promo/Star_Wars/EWAN%20-%20as%20OBI-WAN%20KENOBI%20(Small).jpg
Ahm noat!

mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, obi strip is teh word of the day.

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost)

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

what are obi strips?

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - Whiney, we're on the same wavelength!

Also - I WANT TO KNOW WHAT YEAR THE TRACKS ON COMPS LIKE NY NOISE WERE RECORDED!! ALRIGHT?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

An obi strip:

http://www.toponeraegunbuster.com/cd01-obi.gif

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

The first google hit will take you to Electric OBILand

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're all a bunch of whiners. Wouldn't you rather have a CD or LP that looks good than one that has track listings on the back? Most people that I know would rather have something that looks good. Also, complaining about the deep blackness of vinyl ("fingerprints unavoidable"! dearie me!) is totally ridiculous-- learn how to handle records properly and you won't have problems with fingerprints.

trees (treesessplode), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

learn how to handle records properly and you won't have problems with fingerprints.
ROFFLE

Redd Harvest (Ken L), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

CD cases. Period.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

I see -- I always throw away the OBI strips.

Mark (MarkR), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it's just me, but I have so much trouble with those cardboard sleeves that fit OVER jewel cases. I press the sides, the top and bottom, but my copy of SFA's Guerrilla refuses to cough up the jewel case every time without a fight.

belle haleine, Friday, 24 February 2006 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

learn how to handle records properly and you won't have problems with fingerprints.

Grab the fucker out of the sleeve, slap it down on the turntable and stick a needle on it, what's the big mystery?

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Record stores that put price tags DIRECTLY onto paper or cardboard that dont come off without leaving gum or tearing the cover.... This drives me bonkers.... I don't like being reminded of how much i spent on some hard to find record, but i hate ruining the label or sleve of said record even more.

ALSO- re-issues that have identical sleve design to the original. all i'm asking for is some tiny itty bitty type that says "This edition reissued 20xx." I know you can look at the quality of cardstock to tell the difference but there should be something comprable to the edition numbering found in the first few pages of a book. The new 99 reissues are a perfect example.

grady (grady), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Albums with the track listing in the WRONG ORDER on the sleeve (US releases from the 1970's seem to be particularly guilty of this).

Or Trojan CDs from the early 90s in which wrongly numbered tracks are, in turn, recomplied on other albums such that the WRONG ARTIST AND THE WRONG SONG are credited! I can think of several examples of this. For instance the Music Club "Jamaican Deejays" album which has been partly compiled from Trojan's "Give Me Power" Lee Perry comp., so that a Dillinger track is actually a wrongly numbered Upsetters' track. Which is an instrumental. On an album of Jamaican deejays.

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

life's pretty rough

gear (gear), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

It surely is, for geeks

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

> Albums with the track listing in the WRONG ORDER on the sleeve

the last prince buster cd i bought had less track titles than actual tracks.

one of the orchids lps has a track on it that isn't in the listing *AND* two of the tracks are segue together as a single track on the cd but are listed as two on the sleeve. confusion.

> re-issues that have identical sleve design to the original

and re-issues that *don't* have identical sleeve designs to the original 8) - my copy of artificial intelligence 2 doesn't match the copy of artificial intelligence 1 because the writing on the spines has been changed (smaller and moved) in the later editions. looks messy.

koogs (koogs), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think anyone has mentioned these:

1. when the rpm is not listed on a record where it is not immediately obvious which it is from listening.

2. when one format is packaged in a way mostly reserved for another--for example: 5" records that are the size of cd's or cd's packaged in a full-size LP sleeve (rare, but it does exist). I simply CANNOT file them alongside a different format. I also hate awkward packaging of any type that makes the item hard to store (main culprit=box sets)

Pete Baumann, Friday, 24 February 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Mis-entered tracks into CDDB. Especially the people who put in the right data but in the wrong order, because that's the hardest mistake to catch. Whoever uploaded the 4CD One Kiss Can Lead To Another set should be sentenced to verify every CDDB entry for the rest of their life. Also people who misspell the artist name or the album title. And those who put in the correct info, but all in lowercase.

zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

when you burn too much cd's till you find yrsef burnibg one you allready got.

when you cant find burned cd's cause you got way too mnay of them.

the fact that in burned cd's you dont really know the titles of the songs.

way too much, Friday, 24 February 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Fabric mix CDs to thread. All that packaging, and the CD itself just bangs around in the tin...

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

The new 99 reissues are a perfect example.

The new 99 reissues are bootlegs, I think.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, my number one geek peeve : buying a record I already own. Usually something by Sun Ra or a classical record with one of those non-titles composers use (Symphony No. 1 or whatever). I have nobody to blame but myself when this happens, which makes it all the more annoying.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

As much as I love IPR's "discfolio" packaging, it's a bear to unfold/re-fold without damaging them.

The Equator Lounge (Chris Barrus), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Heh. Yeah, I have a bunch of South American psych albums where they a) don't number the tracks, and b) have one song randomly in the middle of the wrong side, which fucks up the track order on both sides. Drives me insane when trying to play a specific track. ("Oh yeah, this one's retarded. I meant to drop that on the fourth track...")

I also hate the cardboard gatefold cd cases, where you have the little flap. Like Giant Sand's Glum. I always manage to scratch the disc taking it in and out.

js (honestengine), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

The new 99 reissues are bootlegs, I think.

really? i thought they were legit...

what about the no new york reissue?

grady (grady), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

when the bootlegger on canal street only xeroxes the odd pages of the cd booklet! also, when the xeroxes aren't on acid free paper.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Duplicate copies of tracks across different compilations/mix cd's/artist albums... but that's my own fault really.

worst iPod case scenario (fandango), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

this is why i generally like digital music collection over physical means.

my pet peeve is when SLSKers use crappy systems for labeling and organizing their music.

but yeah, that fucking no numbered tracklisting on the back of cd cases bugs the shit out of me.

AaronK (AaronK), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Prince owns this thread:

1. "The Black Album" is withdrawn. Not released until four years later, making it hard to tell whether it belongs between "Sign "O" The Times" and "Lovesexy" or between "Diamonds And Pearls" and the nameless one in the shelves.

2. The "Lovesexy" CD consists of only one track, making skipping impossible

3. Releases an album in 1992 that has no name other than a symbol (Led Zeppelin did the same thing in 1971, but did at least hint in interviews that "4" might be the name of the album)

4. Changes his artist name into the same friggin' symbol (So where to put his albums in the shelves from them on?)

5. Spends the 90s releasing albums under various monickers, making it hard to tell whether they are Prince albums or not.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 24 February 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

when the bootlegger on canal street only xeroxes the odd pages of the cd booklet! also, when the xeroxes aren't on acid free paper.

roffletastic

midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Prince owns this thread

Don't forget that Sign O The Times could fit on one disc.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

That's a good one, albums spread across more discs than is actually necessary. E.g. most of those Trojan boxsets. Which also have shit line notes.

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Scratched second hand records or CDs. What the fuck do people do to them? Leave them on the floor I guess, tread on them then complain to the staff of the Music & Video Exchange when they're offered £1.50 for the lot.

Matt #2 (Matt #2), Friday, 24 February 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

really? i thought they were legit...

I don't think so.

what about the no new york reissue?

that's questionable.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Friday, 24 February 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

A minor complaint: box sets that don't have individual cases for the CDs. Means I can't file them with the rest of my CDs and usually forget about them over on the bookshelf, so they get played less often, if ever. That Aretha Franklin set from 92 is a good example.

Rhino is really good about this, especially their Nuggets sets (although I wish they'd called the new one Nuggets Something so I could file all 12 disks together).

Stephen D, Friday, 24 February 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

I also find it irritating when songs don't have the track numbers next to them, making it hard to figure out which song is which, but I think my ultimate pet peeve is when they actually are numbered, but they are all scrambled up, so you have to turn the cd case every which way to find out what is what ( Pixies "Doolittle" and "Trompe Le Monde" I'm looking at you!).

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 25 February 2006 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

at the store we work at, we have separate sections for "heavy metal" and "punk" and it would work so much fucking better if we just put it into rock. it is just silly and extravagant to have them separate.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't have the patience to read this whole thing to see if these were already said, but

1: Extra thin cases/cardboard sleeves, ESPECIALLY if no writing on the spine

2: Superfluous packaging/packaging within packaging, like when you buy an ECM release and it has that cardboard sleeve around the jewel case (What am I supposed to do with this thing?) or those Atlantic reissues that came out for a little while with the annoyingly thin cardboard sleeve that fit inside a cardboard digipak of sorts.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Saturday, 25 February 2006 04:55 (nineteen years ago)

although I wish they'd called the new one Nuggets Something so I could file all 12 disks together).

Why don't you just file them together?

Honestly it's the next set in the conceptual whole. I don't think anyone would disagree with placing part III after part II, even if their names don't line up in the alphabet

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Saturday, 25 February 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, something that bugs me is when the cd booklet isn't even a booklet but just a piece of paper.

xgurggleglgllg (xgurggleglgllg), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

when the rpm is not listed on a record where it is not immediately obvious which it is from listening

I think some people are being (or attempting to be) very conceptual and open-ended with this -- empower the listener! Our art is an implement to be employed in the manner of your choosing! We will not force upon you pedestrian details like "proper" speed!

nabisco (nabisco), Saturday, 25 February 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget that Sign O The Times could fit on one disc.

Not my copy, no (unless "It's Gonna Be a Long Time" was edited, which would have been no bad idea)

Geir Hongro, Saturday, 25 February 2006 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

(I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating what has already been said)

- blank spines
- bonus unlisted tracks that come a whole minute or more after the final real track (half the time when I'm listening to discs, I'm doing something else while the CD plays in the background, and if I'm really starting to get in a groove with what I'm doing, I don't want to have to GET UP and fast-forward through the silence just to get to this track - that is, if it's worth hearing)

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

PETE BAUMANN: I agree with you on 7" records (usually by bands on the indie-rock level) where they forget to mention the speed. Usually you can tell when the vocals come in, but if it's all instrumental, you're fucked.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 25 February 2006 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I think some people are being (or attempting to be) very conceptual and open-ended with this -- empower the listener! Our art is an implement to be employed in the manner of your choosing! We will not force upon you pedestrian details like "proper" speed!

The latest Shadow Ring record, meant to be played at 45, also sounds great at 33.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

bonus unlisted tracks that come a whole minute or more after the final real track (half the time when I'm listening to discs, I'm doing something else while the CD plays in the background, and if I'm really starting to get in a groove with what I'm doing, I don't want to have to GET UP and fast-forward through the silence just to get to this track - that is, if it's worth hearing)

Cleared it up for you

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Saturday, 25 February 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

"It's Gonna Be a Long Time"

"It's Gonna Be a Beautiful Night", I mean (although that other title would have fit better)

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 25 February 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

at the store we work at, we have separate sections for "heavy metal" and "punk" and it would work so much fucking better if we just put it into rock. it is just silly and extravagant to have them separate.

I see no reason to have hip-hop, R&B, electronica, dance or anything separate at all. Group everything from artist names.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 25 February 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Melvins "Lysol" Album which is on one track - and all the music worth listening to it is buried 20 minutes in on what would be "side two" I understand the Melvins' aesthetic - but that doesn't mean I like the way they make you listen to their noise shit to get to the alice cooper cover.


Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Saturday, 25 February 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

DJ MENCAP: No need to clear anything up - I meant what I said the first time. I don't mind unlisted tracks as long as there's no huge gap of silence before it.

Rev. Hoodoo (Rev. Hoodoo), Saturday, 25 February 2006 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

The Melvins "Lysol" Album which is on one track - and all the music worth listening to it is buried 20 minutes in on what would be "side two" I understand the Melvins' aesthetic - but that doesn't mean I like the way they make you listen to their noise shit to get to the alice cooper cover.

Boris based their entire career on ripping off the first 20 minutes of Lysol. Yet the Melvins somehow seem to get left out of every art-farty thinkpiece on "subterranean metal" for some reason.

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

A very thinly veiled poison dart at our loveable beardstrokers 'cross the ol' pond, that

Dog Ear, Sunday, 26 February 2006 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

Bonus tracks on the same disc. Fucking with the original tracklisting. Fuck that shit.
-- Abu Hamster

I don't have a problem with this, and I don't necessarily see it as "fucking with the tracklisting" - except on those Blue Note reissues which will place a bonus "alternate take" directly after the master take. THAT is stupid. Ideally, bonus tracks should be programmed after the original LP, with (if there's time enough) a delay of several minutes silence to maintain the integrity of the original album, which should appease the purists. (Like me, sometimes.)

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 26 February 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Prince owns this thread
Don't forget that Sign O The Times could fit on one disc.

-- Whiney G. Weingarten

And howbout the original 1999, which omitted "D.M.S.R" entirely, even tho the whole LP was barely 70 fucking minutes!

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Sunday, 26 February 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

A very thinly veiled poison dart at our loveable beardstrokers 'cross the ol' pond, that

Y'know, despite the Melvins oversight (and no Naked City's Leng T'che, WTF?!) I actually really enjoyed that Wire piece. And even discovered a few records!

Plus, British beard strokers are still 100x better than American "nigel hipsters."
http://aprilfish.blogspot.com/2005/12/making-plans-for-nigels.html

Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Sunday, 26 February 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

when i first interviewed the melvins in 1993, my partner asked buzz, "are you responsible for all this grunge shit?"
Buzz "don't blame me man"

and then Dale asked "wanna see something cool?" and went to the back of the bus and retrieved a signed, ted nugent bow hunting arrow.

pretty damn hot.

Uncle Tom (Uncle Tom), Monday, 27 February 2006 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

eighteen years pass...

Classical album downloads that don’t include booklets.

Dialysis Den (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 30 January 2025 22:44 (ten months ago)

those Blue Note reissues which will place a bonus "alternate take" directly after the master take. THAT is stupid.

― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Monday, 27 February 2006 12:18 AM (eighteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Fuckin yeah not a truer word spoken in 18 years

Cognosc in Tyrol (emsworth), Thursday, 30 January 2025 23:03 (ten months ago)

The Melvins "Lysol" Album which is on one track - and all the music worth listening to it is buried 20 minutes in on what would be "side two" I understand the Melvins' aesthetic - but that doesn't mean I like the way they make you listen to their noise shit to get to the alice cooper cover.

From my interview with them for The Wire:

“When we were doing it,” explains Osborne, “we were thinking, ‘Everyone’s going to skip this first song, because it’s so long. I don’t think that’s fair to the song, so we’re not IDing it.’ And that’s my favourite song on the record. They have to listen to it now, or fast forward through it. Or they have to buy the vinyl, which nobody’s gonna do.”

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 30 January 2025 23:20 (ten months ago)

i think its supposed to make it easy for fanatics to do a sort of A/B of a track but its always annoying. as are bonus or live tracks at the end of a compact disc. two discs or go home. i will say that i have listened to mosaic discs and the like that have 5 or more alt. tracks in a row and after awhile it just becomes a part of the background. i don't even notice it. its like listening to the longest version of "lush life" ever made.

x-post

scott seward, Thursday, 30 January 2025 23:22 (ten months ago)

The most recent Mosaic box I got — Classic Don Byas Sessions 1944-1946, released late last year — actually put alternate takes at the end of each CD, not back-to-back with the original version! Someone over there finally learned!

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 30 January 2025 23:44 (ten months ago)


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