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pretty good

'playhouses' is great

― Hairy Asshurt (Toaster), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:22 (twenty years ago)

Better than the last record. It is their 'Pet Sounds.'

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

This is the thread where we do not ask for a YSI, just to prove we can.

xpost.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 24 February 2006 15:25 (twenty years ago)

what is the source of the album title?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Release Date 21/4/06

Tracklisting

01 "Playhouses"
02 "I Was A Lover"
03 "Province"
04 "Snakes + Martyrs"
05 "Wolf Like Me"
06 "Tonight"
07 "Dirty Whirlwind"
08 "A Method"
09 "Let The Devil In"
10 "Blues From Down Here"
11 "Wash The Day Away"

http://www.ateaseweb.com/mb/index.php?showtopic=73376&st=0

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:05 (twenty years ago)

can anyone confirm the album title?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:27 (twenty years ago)

The album title is confirmed.

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

where ? on da web

link please

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

TRUST ME.

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 16:58 (twenty years ago)

where has an album title actually been named on this thread? i just see the name of the first song in the q

― marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 24 February 2006 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Don't be so lazy, DJ Martian: http://www.beggarsgroup.de/dates/

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

― marc h. (marc h.), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

has their sound developed more? because if it hasn't, then it's guaranteed to be booooooooorrrrrriiiiinnnggggg.

― trees (treesessplode), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:04 (twenty years ago)

If boring is a new was of saying amazing, sure.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Trees speaks wisdom.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I hear they're all Four Seasons covers.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Not to be all scenester-as-fuck, but i walked past Sitek's studio a couple times when they were working on it. Heard some flutes. Heard some strings I think. Heard lots of cool noises that gave me pause.

Should be a fucking beast.

― Whiney G. Weingarten (whineyg), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.kompaktkiste.de/cd/virgin/pgcd7.jpg

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I've just heard it once, but it seems this is the record I was hoping from them after the Young Liars EP.

― snowballing (snowballing), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I searched 4ad website, official TVonthe Radio website, HMV, Amazon, Google News...hardly lazy

so it's:
Return To Cookie Mountain

as mentioned on atease thread

Sounds like something from Seasame Street

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I was just bustin' yer balls, DJ Martian. Did you like the illustrative animation on the band's site?

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

it was a good gimmick to get email sign ups, but I want official announcements !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3100/cookiemonsterabusingcookiedoug1.png

A new TVoTR can not come fast enough for some of us.

― ng-unit, Friday, 24 February 2006 17:29 (twenty years ago)

expect pitchfork to report this news..soon?

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

wait....so...it's leaked right?

― dfv,jh, Friday, 24 February 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

the words leaked or leak are banned from ILM

remember:

repect the artists music

campaign for clear channel to change their music policy, put in me charge of music programming

Get rid of the RIAA sez Brainwashed

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

respect

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:18 (twenty years ago)

i'm holding my tongue about how even the idea of this drains all my energy. i hope i don't have to hear the actual album.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

DJ Martian you should make a list

― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I hope it sounds like "Ambulance" to the n-th degree! And not all the songs have to be a capella.

― regular roundups (Dave M), Friday, 24 February 2006 18:49 (twenty years ago)

I heard a song of theirs some time ago. Didn't like it. Then I missed a concert I was going to and ended up watching them play two songs somewhere else. Wasn't very pleased. And now everyone seems to be in love with them.
Did NME say something or what?

― Caroline loves stars, Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:47 (twenty years ago)

Some of us loved them as soon as we heard them.

― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Saturday, 25 February 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

+ winners of the shortlist prize

+
number 1 album of 2004 on fast 'n' bulbous
http://www.fastnbulbous.com/rock.htm

2004

1. 9+ TV On The Radio * Desperate Youth, Blood Thirsty Babes (Touch & Go)

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Saturday, 25 February 2006 01:10 (twenty years ago)

Brian O'Neill singlehandedly placed the record at #12 on the Pazz and Jop list that year. :)

― ng-unit, Saturday, 25 February 2006 02:40 (twenty years ago)

Is this the final mix? sounds unmastered at best.

― amethystflower, Saturday, 25 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

I know no one likes it when people ask (and I'm not looking for a ysi), but is OINK the only place where one can get this? Soulseek has one dude that I can find and I've been in line for 24 hours and it keeps dropping back.

― Blathering, Saturday, 25 February 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

i like them a lot, I'm surprised they're at all popular though. good for them, i guess (except for the backlash they're getting now).

― kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 25 February 2006 21:52 (twenty years ago)

"Playhouses" = blue balls
Holy fuck.

― juno crunch, Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:24 (twenty years ago)

anticipating v highly, I love this band..

― dar1a g (daria g), Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:29 (twenty years ago)

i love dybb. nice record.

― Freud Junior (Freud Junior), Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:30 (twenty years ago)

You can really taste the masterpiece...but this one stumbles. Playhouses is brilliant. In general, needs more vocal layers to create some sort of equilibrium with the wall of brilliant noise put down by Sitek. It's amazing to listen to, but I need more vocal layers. TV on the Radio is nothing without the sensous vocal work. Sculpture, folks...

― marybeth, Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:40 (twenty years ago)

Final product is going to blow minds. The next Loveless.

― amazona, Sunday, 26 February 2006 04:53 (twenty years ago)

when people describe them it usually sounds pretty good, but when i listen i hear a more pretentious less talented equally as dramatic peter gabriel. its frustrating. i'd like some ysi's tho.

― Susan Douglas (Susan Douglas), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:02 (twenty years ago)

Final product is going to blow minds. The next Loveless

Nice try.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:03 (twenty years ago)

A Method is pretty amazing. Someone above said Pet Sounds. Production is pretty strong. Gonna be a good year with this, Danielson, and Destoyer.

― michelleman, Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:10 (twenty years ago)

So true, Ned. Loveless is nothing compated to this one. Can't wait for the final mix. Young Liars EP production values + return to cookie mounain poorly mixed leak = WTF mind blower!

― eriksmothers, Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:46 (twenty years ago)

Your excitement over some of the most boring music ever heard amuses me to no end.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:49 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't sound all that "unmastered" to me. Different from the other records, production-wise, but not necessarily unmastered. I could of course be utterly wrong.

― Simon H. (Simon H.), Sunday, 26 February 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I second Ned. Boring.

― Turangalila (Salvador), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

The white guy in TVotR looks like he says 'yo' a lot.

― Jimmy Mod: The Prettiest Flower In The Pond (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 26 February 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

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Now that this has been released, can someone definitively answer: are the songs exactly the same as the versions that leaked months ago, or have they been fleshed out more? I got $15 that's hinging on this.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I have the album and the songs are pretty much the same, other than the tracklisting being different, they segue into each other in most cases, the names have been changed here and there ('Snakes & Martyrs' is now 'Hours', 'Dirty Whirlwind' is now 'Dirtywhirl'), oh and it's been properly mastered so they sound way better than they did on the leak. 'I Was A Lover' in particular sounds a lot meatier than it did back in February.

― yer mam! (yer mam!), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

if you buy one 'indie' album this year; let this be it

― rizzx (Rizz), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite release of 2006, so far. (But read Metacritic's user comments section for the predictable reactionary blowback.)

― M. V. (M.V.), Thursday, 13 July 2006 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

What label is this on in the U.S., is the track order/listing the same and, for the love of god, when does it come out? Amazon doesn't even have a domestic release for advance sale yet.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 14 July 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

They just announced it'll be September 12, coming out on Interscope. But Other Music and others are already pushing the import.

― save the robot (save the robot), Saturday, 15 July 2006 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

can anybody explain what the label politics of release dates are for stuff like this? does anyone actually gain anything by delaying the release of a finished album for months?

― running in circles (running in circles), Saturday, 15 July 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

its on 4ad in the uk, interscope in the US. i dont know why they think its a good idea to delay it this long, but im sure they have their reasons.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Saturday, 15 July 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

wow, this record blew my mind.

― JB Young (JB Young), Saturday, 19 August 2006 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

goddamit. still haven't bought.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 19 August 2006 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - young liars will blow your mind more.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Saturday, 19 August 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

This thing leaked almost 9 months ago. They released this album in the U.K. about a month and a half ago. Pitchfork and Stylus went apeshit. Then instead of releasing it stateside, the band (and label) went silent. Not even a word on its release. Meanwhile, their website became "Under Construction" throughout this period. Odd marketing tactics for something so hyped.

After such an interminable wait, I hope you're wrong, titchy.

― cosmo vitelli (cosmo vitelli), Saturday, 19 August 2006 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

I came late to the party, but I've recently developed a real liking for this band. I'm looking forward to the new stuff.

― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Sunday, 20 August 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

cosmo i think it depends on if you liked their old stuff very much or not really. the new album is very good, and the songs are really qutie brilliantly dense (but weirdly immaculately constructed) so it takes a while to really get into, but its just not as interesting to me production/sound wise. i dashed off a review of it on my blog www.titchy.blogspot.com...

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Sunday, 20 August 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Having listened to this for a few months now... if only it was all like "I Was A Lover"... its a bit too organic and too much live drumming rather than primitive attempts at R'n'B drums... still an interesting band, and the first half (and last 2 songs) on "Return..." are pretty great...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 20 August 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Im sure its more appealing to the rock loving millions that demand everything sounds ‘live’ but they should have decided if they were going to go the full on ‘rock’ or ‘tunes’ route or do weird pro tools-driven electronic weirdness rather than sounding muddled. Bring back the computers." Off Titchy's blog--- yer absolutely OTM here...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Sunday, 20 August 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

after reading the stylusarticle on compression, i am wondering if this is a problem with this album. it all seems a bit too loud.

I've not heard the leaked versions, so can't comment on them vs the final mastered release, but I will say that a; Yes RTCM is quite loud BUT b; it's a fuck of a sight quieter than the likes of Muse and Keane.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 21 August 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Two points Nick: Firstly destructive compression matters a lot less with deliberately over-grandiose rock like Muse where sheer massive heaviosity seems to be the main aim anyway (ie- there's no subtlety so why bother conserving all frequencies as if it were a Talk Talk record or something).
Secondly: Since reading up on the compression wars I now hear destructive compression everywhere, all the time, on all post 2000 records, its driving me utterly mental! Thanks... (I think...)

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 21 August 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Muse vs Smashing Pumpkins circa Siamese Dream, is all I'm saying.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 21 August 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I dug up this thread a couple of weeks ago to see what y'all were saying about this album and was surprised at all the dismissal. I was hoping for sustained analysis from you guys! I'd love to have some help articulating why this is one of the best things I've heard this year. When I first heard the album, it sounded refreshingly linear to me -- the songs seemed to be refusing to come back around in identifiable patterns. On further listen, I think that impression maybe wasn't accurate... it's more elliptical, I guess. In any case, it was nice to be surprised, to listen to this album without having any idea where it was going, fully convinced that the band knew where it was going. Now that I know the album much better, it continues to be very gratifying -- I'm still hearing things that I missed before. Also nice to have lyrics that don't actively prevent me from enjoying an album -- that's been a real deal breaker for me lately.

― belle haleine (belle haleine), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

@ Nick: Err yes, yr right that for a loud/soft dynamic to actually work it is crucial that the soft sections are actually quieter... but I always thought Muse were just ridiculous bloated grandiosity from beginning to end (for the most part) and thus compressing the shit out of their tracks to make them comically loud and abrasive could be defended on artistic grounds...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

some ppl think the earlier TvOTr stuff is a bit muddy sounding but thats what i liked about it. it wasnt perfect and didnt sound like it was made in a typical studio setting. the new one is very loud and big and to me at least, seems to lack some of that ebb and flow of dynamic you got on their earlier stuff. there are some great songs in there though. i really really love playhouses. 'i can feel the ocean on your tongue' ( i think thats the line) could have been a bit overwrought but for some reason it sounds lovely and sincere.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

to me, RTCM is like prince's early 90s work with the NPG to prince's work with the revolution circa parade/SOTT.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

i mean, old TVOTR = revolution prince, new TVOTR = NPG prince

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

gekopple - that'd be OK if Muse didn't have quiet bits - also it's not just loss of dynamics, iut's what it does to their drum and guitar sounds, i.e. makes them totally un-abrasive and shiny sounding, losing the attack they presumably want.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Amazon has the U.S. Interscope version listed for a September 12 release with the following bonus tracks:

12. [ambient audio]
13. Snakes and Martyrs
14. Hours (El-P Remix)
15. Things You Can Do

― Marmot (marmotwolof), Thursday, 24 August 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

snakes... and things you can do are on the bsides to wolf like me in the uk. ill still buy the US CD though just for the el-p mix. hope its good.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Thursday, 24 August 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...

anyone still listening to this?

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

I threw it on again the other day. whatever. it still doesn't do much for me; basically all that's changed is instead of "I Was A Lover" or "Wolf Like Me" being the only song I really enjoyed, it was "Province".

― Bernard Snowy (sixteen sergeants), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

i dont really feel the urge to back to it. only song i really like is playhouses. everything else just seems to be weighed down by its own self importance. not as interesting as anything they released earlier either.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

You guys otm.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't go back often, but when I do it's pretty rewarding. I can understand the songs all being kind of unexciting in memory, but when you actually listen there's still tons of stuff going on.

― call all destroyer (Sean Braudis), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

There is a lot happening, but they don't really do anything to get me interested in any of it.

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

weird how well received this album has been. they sound fatigued and worn out on it. maybe they spent too long working on it. i find it too leaden.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

i go back to it all the time

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

live i find it sounds better. less 'dead'.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

i got the new live EP. shitty artwork aside, i think i like all these versions better than the album versions. not so overproduced. sadly no live version of playhouses though. this is definitely worth getting though.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Saturday, 21 April 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

heard this today. i still think its over produced but damn its good. but is it just me or is tunde doing an album long bowie impression on his vocals all throughout this album?

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 30 April 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

Having recently got Cookie Mountain, I'm surprised at how lo-fi it is next to Dear Science. It may make me an uncool johnny-come-lately to say so, but I think a beefed-up crisper sound suits the band more. I'm digging Hours, Province, Wolf Like Me and Dirtywhirl, but am finding the rest a bit impenetrable TBH.

― chap, Friday, 13 February 2009 14:53 (seventeen years ago)

took me a while to really "get it" too.

― Ioannis, Friday, 13 February 2009 15:10 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

you guys realize "Wolf Like Me" is actually "Rebel Yell" by Billy Idol rite

― Wir fahren fahren fahren auf der Autoban (Curt1s Stephens), Saturday, 1 May 2010 06:29 (fifteen years ago)

thank you, the scales have fallen from my eyes

― WE THE VIKING (The Reverend), Saturday, 1 May 2010 07:23 (fifteen years ago)

ten years pass...

Does anyone still listen to this? Do like bits of it and all the albums that came later, but think they kind of peaked, or were most interesting pre-cookie.

― candyman, Thursday, 25 March 2021 13:59 (four years ago)

dear science is the tvotr album that has a place in my heart. cookie mountain is good too, but with some exceptions it's more of a vibe than collection of songs that i can sing back in my head. what a vibe, though.

― voodoo chili, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:27 (four years ago)

They started to sing all affected on cookie. Dear science is the carefully constructed one, family tree is amazing, but they got kinda bland fast.

― candyman, Thursday, 25 March 2021 14:54 (four years ago)

cookie mountain is the best by a mile if we're not counting the young liars ep

― imago, Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:08 (four years ago)

Dear Science is the only one I return to.

― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 March 2021 15:27 (four years ago)

"cookie mountain is the best by a mile if we're not counting the young liars ep"

1. young liars
2. desp youth (a good half of it)
3 ok calculator
4. everything else

― candyman, Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:07 (four years ago)

Kinda hoping this was bumped for a new announcement.

1. Dear Science
2. Cookie Mountain
3. Desperate Youth / Young Liars (hard for me to separate these two because I absorbed them both around the same time)
4. Nine Types of Lights
5. Seeds

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:14 (four years ago)

15th anniversary so who knows, maybe they will do something for it.

― candyman, Thursday, 25 March 2021 16:24 (four years ago)

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