Is this a reflection of the mega-festival organizers being sadly out of touch, or has indie music's recent shameless embrace of self-irony finally started kicking it back in the face?
Remember, Coachella's previous line-ups concentrated on a combination of established and emerging indie acts, DJs, and the more recent reunion of past alternative champions.
I say it's pathetic, just like all of Madonna's efforts in the last ten years.
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)
― pinkerton, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)
― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)
Who cares if Madonna performs?
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)
Maybe because the organizers realize Madonna has written better songs than almost half the fucking lineup?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)
― James Slone (Freon Trotsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)
― morris pavilion (samjeff), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)
I was under the impression that Madonna performed songs and didn't write them.... that's what Stuart Price, Mirwais, William Orbit etc. do.
― grady (grady), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)
indie = artists that define their own sounds
not indie = artists with sounds defined by labels and producers, or in this case: trend chasers
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)
NOT THAT IT MATTERS to the actual point anyway.
― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)
― grady (grady), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)
― ai lien (kold_krush), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)
-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (sotoal...), March 1st, 2006.
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Hahaha, so true. -- James Slone (freontrotsk...), March 1st, 2006.
Ha ha ha - so NOT true. Open mouth, insert foot. Thank you.
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)
Madonna has been washed up for years. She went from trend-setter to trend-chaser almost a decade ago.
I don't need to go into her entire history to back that up.
My point is this: Coachella did not start out as a festival that embraced or invited acts like Madonna.
You elitists who feel the need the dissect every last word in a posted comment like it's a fight to the death in the music critical theory arena are really, really annoying.
(To be followed by "People who post strawmen arguements and argue in circular terms are really annoying" or some such redundant ILM mantra...)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)
So?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)
You asked for it, my boy.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)
Let's hope she's miming...
― worst iPod case scenario (fandango), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)
please keep digging this hole of yours.
― midi sanskrit (sanskrit), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)
― NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)
But you can always explain why you think I'm digging my own hole.
Otherwise, you can go fuck yourself. Really.
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)
― worst iPod case scenario (fandango), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)
Tell me, Fred- do you know the composers of Madonna's entire song list by heart? Thought not. Don't throw rocks from glass houses....
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)
Daft Punk bear some traces of Our Lady's influence.
her own push into a music arena far more popular than she is at this point
Confessions on a Dance Floor has, domestically and internationally, sold more copies than a third of the lineup in total; but I know you don't care about popularity or Top 40 validation, right?
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)
Well, I do, actually. There aren't that many. But I won't bore you or our dear readers, who have no doubt left to make popcorn.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)
― harshaw (jube), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)
-- James Slone (freontrotsk...), March 1st, 2006.
"indie" now = "alternative" ten years ago
― latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Matos-Webster Dictionary (M Matos), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Mike W (caek), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)
i was just posting something about how all indie and punk fans aren't douchebags on another thread. thx for the backup, homie. appreciate it.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Mike W (caek), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)
― elgolfo (elgolfo), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)
Giles is indeed kinda digging himself a hole with his rhetoric, but the ILM hivemind "you must like ______" mantra is equally tiresome.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:20 (nineteen years ago)
As is the ILM hivemind "you must not like _______" mantra, which is where Madonna is usually put.
― Merryweather (scarlet), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)
Sorry, Matt, but this indie/punk knobheaded douchebag is hardly the first person on ILM to piss on a pop musician.
Throwing out provincial charges in the name of popular inclusion on such a subjective issue is equally provincial, btw.
But infinitely more interesting than Cure Vs. Joy Division....
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:35 (nineteen years ago)
So if she written -- er, sorry, "made" -- a decent song in 10-15 yrs then she's not a talentless whore. I'm glad we cleared this up.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)
― Terrible Cold (Terrible Cold), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:46 (nineteen years ago)
If she has a talent, it isn't for singing. Its for cherrypicking other people's talent and marketing it shrewdly. I can appreciate that as being hard work, but I don't have to respect it or enjoy it.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:48 (nineteen years ago)
Sorry, Shakey, but you ain't getting away with this. On ILE you're a pretty solid defender of liberal values, so it grieves me when you use a word like "whore" as an insult, like my parents or something. You don't like Madonna, fine: just conceive of a more cogent dismissal.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:52 (nineteen years ago)
talent is an irrelevant concept without marketing.
― don weiner (don weiner), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:58 (nineteen years ago)
Now you're either being annoying or stupid. Or maybe illiterate, in which case I'll cut you some slack. I'm inclined to think just annoying, since you give away the game by writing "really."
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:01 (nineteen years ago)
I like a few of her songs, I'll happily admit it. I think her voice is really weak, with a narrow range, and a limited expressiveness that I find irritating. I don't care if she writes her own material. I do think her switch from trend-setter to trend-hopper is kinda sad, but that also has more to do with her age and the cycle of marketing than anything intrinsic to her ideas (what she has of them, anyway). I don't think she's done anything decent in 10-15 years and I'll stand by that - that she's still so uber-ubiquitous is kind of annoying.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)
But since some of those charges could be thrown at Depeche Mode, and other artists on the bill, maybe Madonna does belong it this line-up after all.
She can go on right after the even-more-washed-up DJ Peretz, or whatever his goofy set name is these days...
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:05 (nineteen years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:06 (nineteen years ago)
Not that there's anything wrong with that. Prince is waiting for you outside. And David Bowie.
I like a few of her songs, I'll happily admit it. I think her voice is really weak, with a narrow range, and a limited expressiveness that I find irritating
I'll accept this.
I do think her switch from trend-setter to trend-hopper is kinda sad, but that also has more to do with her age and the cycle of marketing than anything intrinsic to her ideas (what she has of them, anyway).
Again - paging David Bowie. You can't be a trend-setter for 15 yrs; it's impossible. You have other things on your mind. It only matters insofar as the music reflects a certain desperation. You say it does, I say her (scattered) high points in the last 15 yrs are as strong as the ones in her heyday, but, hey, that's my opinion and we disagree.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:09 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.geocities.com/rrubiera/mike-basslr.jpg
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:12 (nineteen years ago)
as far as the trend-setter thing, I don't blame her for being left behind (which as you correctly point out is inevitable), but I do blame her for not knowing when to quit. and fwiw, I think Prince has dealt with his aging/fade from trendsetter status WAY better than Madonna has. But then Prince has always had his virtuoso musical chops and one-man-band work ethic to fall back on. Madonna, by contrast, does not.
― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)
Also, in terms of aesthetic music relevance, it would have to be
Prince > Bowie > Madonna
― Giles Manius (jsoulja), Thursday, 2 March 2006 01:36 (nineteen years ago)
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:03 (nineteen years ago)
― Tutrle, Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:44 (nineteen years ago)
-- Ned Raggett (ne...), March 1st, 2006 3:36 PM.
I imagine its like deja vu.
― deej.. (deej..), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:51 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:52 (nineteen years ago)
ps - she didn't "write" those books either
― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:11 (nineteen years ago)
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:12 (nineteen years ago)
― timmy tannin (pompous), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)
― txjaxx, Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)
Earth to txjaxx: Sónar.
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)
Except that, when Madonna performs, the dance tent will be too crowded for dancing.
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:40 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)
― latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:54 (nineteen years ago)
― Okeigh, Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)
― naus (Robert T), Thursday, 2 March 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 04:37 (nineteen years ago)
― erklie (erklie), Thursday, 2 March 2006 04:38 (nineteen years ago)
And IMO, her best (chosen) songs were "Holiday", "Live To Tell" and "Ray Of Light".
http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/M/madonna-lyrics/madonna-holiday-lyrics.htm
http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/M/madonna-lyrics/madonna-live-to-tell-lyrics.htm
http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/M/madonna-lyrics/madonna-ray-of-light-lyrics.htm
― Peppy Zimbot, Thursday, 2 March 2006 10:04 (nineteen years ago)