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― stoogey, Friday, 3 March 2006 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

If it's good it will be good!

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

So, Watt on bass then?

― Dave will do (dave225.3), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

i'm going to predict that this will not be as incredibly cosmically orgasmic as i hope it will be. PLZ PROVE ME WRONG BOYS.

― wangdangsweetpentangle (teenagequiet), Friday, 3 March 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Chew OTM

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

i am beging them - please don't do this.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

No, do it. What is there to lose?

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

it will suck and make us sad.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

if it does, it won't be albini's fault

― electric sound of jim (and why not) (electricsound), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

it will be somewhat his fault.

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this comment on that link:

This will be The Godfather 3 of Stooges albums.

Hopefully not though.

That's about my feeling!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

How good were the three Stooges tracks on Skull Ring (the title track, "Little Electric Chair" and one other)? I never heard the album, only saw them perform the former two live at Roseland, and they weren't much different from filler tracks on any Iggy solo disc from, say, American Caesar on. Just with a more namecheckable backing band. So those of you hoping for Back To The Funhouse are, I fear, gonna get hosed by reality.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think anybody seriously expects it can be as good as those first three, but it could still be better than a lot of Iggy's solo albums...

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

... I hope.

― StanM (StanM), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that's kind of what I mean.

If it's good/great, it's a return and an addition to the canon.

If it's average/poor/terrible, it detracts not from the first three albums.

xpost.

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - haha yeah i just caught that and it sums up the situation about as perfectly as it could. it's not going to be very good.

"little electric chair" was pretty all right but they sounded like a stooges cover band for the most part - which i guess they are at this point really

― wangdangsweetpentangle (teenagequiet), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it's naive of me to be so excited. Honestly I don't have very high hopes. But you know those nights when you're sitting around getting fucked up and everyone agrees that you could only possibly listen to the Stooges but you've already listened to all the albums twice and even Lust for Life so you just give up and pass out? Those nights can be 30 minutes longer now!!

― ghost dong (Sonny A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

But you know those nights when you're sitting around getting fucked up and everyone agrees that you could only possibly listen to the Stooges

I'm trying to imagine house parties that run on this principle.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

This will be about half as good as the new Mudhoney record right?

― NickB (NickB), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

i can't possibly be the only one who's been in that situation 1000 times ??

― ghost dong (Sonny A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

This would be incredible exciting in 1995.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

It would also be incredibly exciting if I spelled things right, argh.

― Eppy (Eppy), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

"stooges to record new album with xenomania" would have been an infinitely more interesting prospect.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

xpost ghost:

Is that the same party where you suddely realise none of you left at the house party actually live there ('anymore' optional)

― mark grout (mark grout), Friday, 3 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think the tunes on Skull Ring were recorded before they hooked up with Watt or at least he didn't play on them. They have been playing shows together on and off for a few years now, so maybe this bodes well. I haven't seen or heard any of their reunion shows, but people seem to have liked them going by the articles I have read. The Mission of Burma and Rocket from the Tombs recordings turned out OK, so who knows.

Back in the early 90s, I always figured that Al Jorgensen would eventually get around to recording something with Iggy singing, but it never happened.

― Earl Nash (earlnash), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

iggy pop cant write good tunes anymore for 20 years at least, so there's no way it will be good.
though the playing and production will be great, cause "skull ring" was awfuly produced,but good played.now it will be good-produced too.

to my humble opinion.

― ddd@www, Friday, 3 March 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

The music on "Little Electric Chair" was fucking amazing, but Iggy was overpoetic. It's really up to Pop as to whether or not this album satisfies. I have no doubt whether Ron Asheton will provide an awesome backdrop.

― Zwan (miccio), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

unless Iggy is back to chasing bucketloads of barbituates with an ounce of coke, what can we expect?

― Space Is the Place (Space Is the Place), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

The Stooges were terrific live in NYC. I didn't love the live-in-Detroit DVD, but live music on DVD/video frequently bores/irritates me. I feel obligated to sit still and watch, which is antithetical to the spirit of what I'm watching most of the time. Anyway, maybe the album'll be good. I want it to be. I just don't hold out much hope, since there have been so many examples of bands falling down on the job.

― pdf (Phil Freeman), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm afraid that the biggest impediment will be Scott Asheton…in his mid '50s, he was the plodder of all plodderers when I saw 'em live in 2003 and 2004. Given albini's vaunted recording ethic, the album will likely…plod.

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Scotty swing hard at their first reunion gig at Coachella, so I dunno what VM is talking about. Iggy demands a lot, doesn't settle for stuff with Stooges. Check Watt's tour diaries to see the regimen up close. The Junior Kimbrough covers were ferocious (and the first new Stooges recordings w/ Watt on bass, he wasn't present for Skull Ring stuff): check em.

― JayBabcock (jabbercocky), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

oh god ... i'm so fucking scared. somebody hold me.

― Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Friday, 3 March 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

The songs on Skull Ring were OK, but the one recent track that got me excited was their first version of "You Better Run" on the Junior Kimbrough tribute "Sunday Nights". Everything was blazing here-guitar, drums, vocals, lyrics. If the new one is anything like this, admittedly a cover, it will be hot.

― Matt Carlson (mattsoncarlhew), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

This is just a rumor and not a fact so I'll believe it when I see (or hear) it.

Wasn't there talk that Rick Rubin expressed interest in producing the Stooges too?

― Jeff K (jeff k), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

"stooges to record new album with xenomania" would have been an infinitely more interesting prospect.
Marcello OTM. Albini is such a boring choice

― snowballing (snowballing), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

The Stooges in 2006 :
http://www.toutsurlacom.com/files//Article/2006/20060202SFR.mpg

― snowballing (snowballing), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't think we have anything to fear, here. I mean if it isn't mind blowing, I can't see how it can be all that bad, either. The 2005 show I saw was a real highlight of my lifetime. (thanks Devo for cancelling, or it never would have happened)

― Bimble The Nimble (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 March 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

they should have got phil spector

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Saturday, 4 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think the tunes on Skull Ring were recorded before they hooked up with Watt or at least he didn't play on them.

The band was, sort of, Asheton-Asheton-Watt-Mascis before Iggy came in and they called it the Stooges, so the latter.

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Can we play the first album again, please?

― Bimble The Nimble (Bimble...), Saturday, 4 March 2006 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

More on this.

― Je4nn3 Æ’urÂ¥ (Je4nne Fury), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

always encouraging to hear someone say they've "pretty much run out of ideas"/

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno, it's kind of refreshing to hear Iggy be so honest about his reasons for returning to the Stooges. Maybe his buds Lou Reed and David Bowie should come out and say the same thing? But an Albini produced Stooges record? Why not? Sounds fun! At least Albini will just record 'em live and get a good drum and guitar sound. What else is required?

― Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

some fucking gut-wrenching angst

― pssst - badass revolutionary art! (plsmith), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh, ig's still got that--didn't you see his "behind the music" a few years back? he's a tortured soul!

― Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

just say no

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

psychedelic geezers unite!

― m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

they were SO good when I saw them in january, total onslaught from start to finish. if the riffs are good, it might just be enough.

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

i hope they get some good guests to collab with like sting & carlos sant!

― shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

it says jack white will produce some tracks too. would have been nice if it was just one producer i think but i suppose JW will sell it more

― okok, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

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(He wrotes. God it must be late.)

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 09:10 (eighteen years ago)

I think SB nails the primary difference between the three albums and the new one. Dread. (And committment, and energy, and wit, and malice, and sex, and pretty much everything non-shitty in the universe, but that's another discussion.) I might quibble with the way he characterizes the early records individually, but the he's still 99% OTM.

The Weirdness sounds like a half-decent band trying to sound like a received idea of "The Stooges". In that sense, it's not even as good as The Hellacopters, or early Mudhoney. Maybe a bit more challenging than the former, but not a patch on the latter.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

You gotta be shitting me if you don't think there's committment and energy and wit and malice and sex in The Weirdness.

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:35 (eighteen years ago)

his dick it is like tree

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

dude it ain't even CLOSE to fucking with superfuzz big muff....or supershitty to the max....hellacopters fucking pwned live in the early daze, i saw them bikers blow nashville pussy of the stage in the entry once....

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

See also "The End of Christianity."

x-post

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

and nashville pussy was pretty great at one time, until the let them eat pussy full length which pretty much suxx and then the whole thing got real schticky.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

or BAD schticky instead of good schticky.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

"The Stooges' first three albums were a perfect triptych. Each record had its own peculiar atmosphere of dread, but when played back-to-back-to-back they form a complementary arc: black-cloud threat (1969's The Stooges) gives way to fiery holocaust (1970's Funhouse) and a post-apocalyptic zombie dance party (1973's Raw Power)."

I'd go along with this! Maybe not exactly how I would put it, but it sounds about right.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

"You gotta be shitting me if you don't think there's committment and energy and wit and malice and sex in The Weirdness."

There are certainly plenty of songs that awkwardly, embarrassingly address these subjects. But that's not the same thing. At all.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

there's a brutality in the first 3 records missing from the weirdness.

― Edward III, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

I blame albini

― sexyDancer, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

haha

in retrospect i guess i shouldn't have wished for more than skull ring w/a slightly cooler band.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

I've just been listening to it on the computer but I think I like the production. Rock Action sounds great.

And I don't give a damn about brutality. This is a far more human and mature record than the first three Stooges albums.

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

"mature"

http://richardmcguire.com/travel/asia/indiabw/old-man.jpg

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

And there actually isn't any more BRUTALITY on The Stooges than there is on The Weirdness, anyway.

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, definitely, mature. Much better lyric writing skills.

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

I'm totally on board with Tim. I think the album is incredible. In one of Bang's early Stooge's reviews (it's in Psychotic Reactions) he writes:

The Stooges also carry a strong element of sickness in their music, a crazed quaking uncertainty, an errant foolishness that effectively mirrors the absurdity and desperation of the times, but I believe they also carry a strong element of cure, a post-derangement sanity.

I definitely think The Weirdness is in that tradition - it has sickness, uncertainity, foolishness - even "My dick turned into a tree." which is so absurd, it becomes the post-derangement cure. It's like the response to postmodernity is this particular kind of insanity - and personally, I think Weirdness is a lot more accessible musically than the older albums - which makes it more of a response to the accessibility of the "weirdness" of the times, not less of one.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, I'm with you, but could you unpack that last sentence a little?

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah... I'm just saying that the "weirdness" we experience today if a very accessible weirdness. It's not like Surrealism or Dadaism where you need to be in an intellectual elite to be apart of the conversation. You can stop someone on the street and ask them they're opinion on... let's say soldiers shoving things in Muslim prisoner's asses in Guantanamo Bay - and they'd say, "Yeah, that's fucking weird." So I think that while Bangs was OTM about the first three albums, they weren't quite as obvious as this current one. They may have been weird, but they were also (to quote Berman) dreadful, fiery, "black-cloud threat" (whatever that means). This is so unapologetically weird, so stupid, that it's an ideal reflection of the moment. Especially when you discuss all the pop culture aspects that are really weird, or really stupid. Like, "The Weirdness" is a perfect response to that midget-dating reality show - or MTV's Pimp-My-Mom. It's not intellectually weird, it's stupidly weird - which means it's both more accessible, but also more appropriate to the moment.

Let me know if that unpacks it enough...

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)

(And yeah. They're = Their. I'm sure there are other typoes)

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

And there actually isn't any more BRUTALITY on The Stooges than there is on The Weirdness, anyway.

haven't found anything as flattening on teh weirdness as when the bass comes in on "ann" or even the opening of "I wanna be your dog" but y'know diff strokes fer diff folks n all that.

― Edward III, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

I know I'm just a broken record, crackling on about how awful this record is, but I'm having problems with this: "I think Weirdness is a lot more accessible musically than the older albums - which makes it more of a response to the accessibility of the 'weirdness' of the times..."

The Stooges first run of albums were released 1969-1974, probably conceived starting a few years before that. The Summer of Love. Woodstock. Vietnam atrocities on TV every night. Watergate. The Watts riots. The Black Panter Party. The Cuban Missile Crisis and the assassinations of the Kennedys and MLK. Patty Hearst. TV Dinners. Shopping Malls. Laugh-In. Sgt. Pepper's. Long-hair pinkos and Peter Max posters going head-to-head with flat-topped 50s dads.

It was a really weird era, and everyone knew it. The weirdness was right on the surface, the disconnect between TV and reality, the psychedelic awfulness of suburban life, the way meaninful and meaningless things fucked each other into an incomprehensible soup. And maybe the Stooges' response (back then) was a period response, in that it was legitimately pissed off and confused. They presented this pose of nihilist apathy, but their music wasn't apathetic at all ("We Will Fall" notwithstanding). Their music was an idealistic, juvenile response to the fucked-up weirdness of the world.

And maybe the Stooges of today reflect our times, in that they're burned out by "The Weirdness". It's all just a goof now. Something to trip out on or crack jokes about. Something trivial and common. Certainly nothing to get all worked up over. So now the apathy is genuine, stripped of the embittered idealism that once gave it bite. And hey, that chick is fuckin' hot...

I see the progression. I just don't find it particularly interesting.

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

tim defends pile of crap, film at 11

― am0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

How you can see apathy in Iggy's lyrics on this album is beyond me.

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

Oh what a clever response amon!

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah. Apathy might be a better word than accessible - but I like it for precisely that reason.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

I see it more as an intense investigation of life. Isn't there some line on the album about "truth-seeking?"

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

;)

― am0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Pye OTM.

― fife, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

it's not so bad if you pretend it's not by the stooges

― latebloomer, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

I suspect Tim Ellison is being entirely facetious. Or at least ironic.

― fife, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

See, I don't think they are being apathetic - certainly not in the same way Green Day's Dookie was (sitting on your couch, masturbating and smoking pot). I think they're addressing the apathy over the weirdness - they're investigating the affects that apathy has over us. I don't know that I can think of lyrical proofs off-hand (I'm sitting in a class at the moment), but in the lyrics "It's the end of Christianity / It's the end of Christianity / It's the end of you and me.": First, the way the beats work, the upbeat is on "It's the end of," and the downbeat on "Christianity." (with a slight upbeat on "anity") which - besides giving a very obvious evocation of "insanity" or "lunacy" etc - makes a point about how the end-ofs work. The point isn't the Christianity, the point is that something is ending. By placing the Christianity on a downbeat, you get the feeling like that's the most insignificant part of the statement. And when he says "The end of you and me," he's clarifying that it has nothing to do with Christianity at all. IMHO, that's a pretty subtle statement about how religion is currently operating (which is to say: the interplay between our killing off of religion dovetails with our complaints about lack of spirituality which also speaks to fanaticism about end-of-times and apocalyptic beliefs). Anyway, I think I could argue this better if I could listen to the music at the moment, so maybe I'll clean up the idea later tonight.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I disagree with that. I think the song is about monogamy, so Christianity is entirely significant to the subject. The downbeats, fwiw, fall on the word "end" in "it's the end of" and the syllable "an" in the word "Christianity."

― Tim Ellison, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

See, here's the problem with writing music crit without being able to listen to the music. I was trying to do it from memory. Anyway, outside a disagreement about what the song is about, I completely agree with Tim that the album is brilliant. And I'm actually enjoying it more than I enjoyed Fun House when I heard it for the first time.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:11 (eighteen years ago)

alright tim, you've at least convinced me to listen to this again and see if it sounds better than some turd band from bumfuck the third time thru.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

It's certainly catchy as hell.

― Mordechai Shinefield, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

So, all the backlash positivism made me wanna revisit my first impressions. I was wondering, is it really that bad? And it isn't. Not quite. It's definitely got its strengths, and at least two solid songs. The more you consider it on its own (rather than in the shadow of the Trinity) the better it sounds. Still, it's pretty crummy. Not so bad that it deserves a 1-out-of-10 rating, but it's certainly no better than a 5. Track-by-track for the first half:

My Idea of Fun
More like "real rock 'n' roll" than anything Iggy's done in ages. First few bars are totally killer. Comes tearing outta the speakers all red in tooth and claw (initially sounding more like Birdman than the Stooges, but that's hardly a problem). Eventually resolves into what could be a lost Funhouse outtake. Lead guitar is amazingly brutal, astringent, by far the best thing about the song, and Iggy evinces a stronger commitment to the material than I've been giving him credit for. Sure-footed and on-point from front to back. Every part of the song works with the rest. And while the lyrics remain wince-inducing, I can sublimate Iggy's nonsense into the roaring blur with no problems.

You Can't Have Friends
I don't wanna get too far into it, but this is cruddy in roughly equal proportion to Idea of Fun's goodness. The funky wah-wah guitar is nowhere near as compelling as the more metallic stuff. Recalls early Gaye Bykers on Acid, and that is a problem. The lyrics, ranting about how fame and money make friendship impossible, are even worse -- crushingly obvious. Half an earworm in a sing-song sorta way, but that isn't half enough.

ATM
See above. The lyrics are wearing me down. I feel like I should be able to rise above, 'cuz the music here rocks convincingly, but I can't. The phrasing is terrible, too, choking off anything that might work in spite of the words. Sorry, but this is generic bar-band fodder, and it shoulda been left on the cutting-room floor.

Trollin'
Best song on the album. And the only one where the forced stupidity of the lyrics really works (or, well, almost works...). I fucking LOVE "I see your long legs riding your Lees / I see your hair as energy." Crafty and clever. On the other hand, "my dick is turning into a tree" just sucks all the air outta the room. You get the same effect in the next few lines: "I got the top down on my Cadillac / My Stooges t-shirt is riding my back / Rock critics wouldn't like this at all." Okay, that does the idiot-savant thing just fine. Then along comes, "I guess my faith is riding my balls," to blow down the house of cards. There's a fine line between clever and stupid, but Iggy won't even admit it exists. And while the verse is catchy as hell, the chorus is kind of a snooze. [Note: this is the point at which Albini's trademark boxy, chunka-chunka drum production starts to get on my nerves. Fine for a single song; grating over the long haul.]

The Weirdness
This gets very nice towards the end, but the first few minutes tread water. While it's not my new favorite song, I do like it quite a bit. At least it's not another mortifying fake-Stooge ripoff (Friends, ATM, F'n'F), and therefore it makes me wish they'd stretched out a little more overall. Points towards the better record that might have been.

Free 'n' Freaky
I've said enough about this song already. I fucking hate it. It makes me not want to listen to the record anymore.

Etc. High points have been hit. Lowest of the lows still to come…

― Pye Poudre, Thursday, 22 March 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

Fwiw (partly because I don't have the energy for bringing any pissing contest here back to life), I'll be posting my comments on the new Stooges album (which I don't like much so far, give or take the sax parts) here and here only:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=56329#unread

― xhuxk, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

In the midnight hour, baby
When the truth comes down
I don't need no doctor
Hangin' around
Can I get a witness?
Can I come on strong?
Every tricky rock star
Just rubs me wrong

― Tim Ellison, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Also, best fucking lyric about Iraq war yet by a million miles, surely. Iggy rules:

My sister went to war
She tied a guy up on a leash
I think about it sometimes
When I'm sittin' on the beach

― Tim Ellison, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

i don't have much desire to listen to this, but i can say this: i'm sure as hell glad the internet didn't exist in 1969.

― hstencil, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha did you exist in 1969?

― m coleman, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's absolutely hilarious that people are trying to find such a deep meaning in Iggy's lyrics, especially from THIS album. That Pye guy upthread nearly had me in stitches. If Iggy saw this he'd be having a good laugh at all of you right now.

― Reatards Unite, Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

"If"?

― M.V., Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

in the midnight hour babe..
more, more, more...

― Bimble, Monday, 26 March 2007 00:43 (eighteen years ago)

Yet to see a comment on the extremes of this factor:

"You Can't Have Friends" - 1:58
"Free and Freaky" - 2:13
"Greedy Awful People" - 1:45

Plus three songs in the 2:30-2:45 range.

― Tim Ellison, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 23:38 (eighteen years ago)

^^the minutemen influence via mike watt?

― m coleman, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

I agree, Albini is an overated non-talent who artists record with just to get some "cred". His skills as an engineer are remedial at best.

― yoko0no, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

So what is their version of "I wanna be your man" like?

(it's on the extra 12" in the LP set)

― Mark G, Monday, 23 April 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

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