Post "Scary Monsters" David Bowie C/D S/D

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Obviously, Bowie's creative heyday was during the 70s, and I don't ever think I have seen anyone claim otherwise.

But how about his later career material? Is it all crap? Is there nothing worth listening to?
I would say yes it is, but there is some patchy stuff out there, and some of the albums are downright crappy.

As for his 80s material "Let's Dance" is not at all bad. Sure it may not have the creative magic that he used to have in the 80s, but there are some good pop songs, including a couple of non singles. So even though I have never quite liked "Modern Love" (and the Moroder version of "Cat People" remains the superior version), "Let's Dance" is a rather decent album

"Tonight" is considerably more patchy. I still don't see why he would release "Blue Jean" as the first single, as it might have been the worst Bowie single until then. But "Loving The Alien" is obviously classic and the title track is also kind of underrated. Still "Tonight" is patchy while "Never Let Me Down Again" is worth skipping all over with the exception of the Lennon-pastiche that is the title track.

The following couple of album represented an all time low. Tin Machine was completely pointless and there isn't one memorable song on any of those albums. "Black Tie White Noise" was hardly classic either, even though he managed to come up with "Jump They Say" - his best single since "Loving The Alien".

But then he seemed to have put his worst period behind, and the albums from "Outside" onwards are not at all bad. "Outside" may be partly a failed attempt to create an "experimental" album, but there is quite a bit of interesting stuff in there and in part you can hear the 70s Bowie again. "The Buddha Of Suburbia" is also quite nice while I consider the electronica "Earthling" his best 90s album, with particularly "I'm Afraid Of Americans" showing him able to change and sort of understand the essence of electronica.

Then, the past three albums have been more ordinary pop efforts, but the songs are his best since "Scary Monsters". Particularly "Heathen" is a very good album, even though it doesn't quite compare to the 70s stuff it will always be measured up against.

So any opionions on late period Bowie?

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

i feel like we've done this a hundred times already

I think the tin machine records are really underrated. the first record has I Can't Read on it, which I like; the second sounds much more like a "bowie" record, shopping for girls, amlapura, goodbye mr ed....these are all great songs and if they weren't out under this monikor people would be kinder to them.

Otherwise I agree with most everything else you said, though I don't think Earthling is as good as Outside.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

and Hours is still terrible.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

"hunky dory" is the only bowie i love, and ever since, he is constantly going down the hills of dudness (except the eno projects maybe).

same as the surfing style please, Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Kyle about Tin Machine. That first album's great.

pdf (Phil Freeman), Saturday, 4 March 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I know absolutely nothing about post-"Scary Monsters" Bowie but would like to be enlightened. Would anyone mind throwing together a quick tracklist that sums up those years?

utter joob (smittish yout fawb dill), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

his four big post-SM singles ("Let's Dance," "China Girl," "Modern Love" and "Blue Jean") all would probably make my Bowie top ten. Dunno about albums.

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

five if you count "Under Pressure"

The Good Dr. Bill (The Good Dr. Bill), Saturday, 4 March 2006 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Um, pretty much agree. "Let's Dance" is good enough, "Tonight" is passable, "Never Let Me Down" is abominable, and Tin Machine is forgettable. "Black Tie, White Noise," had a few good tunes on it, "Buddha of Suburbia" was positively interesting, and "Outside" is brilliant. "Earthling" sounds like regular Bowie songs with jungle/drum n' bass bits added on top.

For the most part, "Hours..." is dull.

"Heathen" should've been more electronic and less "rock," and "Reality" took what was wrong with "Heathen" and amplified it.

Still, I'd rather listen to any latter-day Bowie than any album by any one of his contemporaries.

vartman (novaheat), Sunday, 5 March 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Heathen and Reality are fine albums (I prefer the latter). These days he's better when he doesn't try so damn hard; this compulsion marred Outside, which has great tunes.

(and I'll take Never Let Me Down over Tonight).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 March 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

i still don't think REality wound up matching Heathen. Heathen's songs just trounce all over it. I almost wish it was the last album he ever made, since I do think it's he strongest album he's done since Let's Dance. But maybe he'll pull out another one like it 10 years.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

There are too many dirges on Heathen. Cumulatively, Reality may seem less impressive, but at least he doesn't play Post-Millenial Sage so assiduously.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I, too, am a bit surprised some nasty oldtimer hasn't come along to reference a half dozen old threads, locked this one, and shut all us newer folk out of the discussions. I'm sure someone asked for a "Jump They Say" reassessment.

Speaking as someone who came of age with Let's Dance, my gut reaction is to say get Outside and whatever singles collection looks appropriate. I enjoy random tracks ("This Is Not America", "Under the God") but Reality is probably the only other album that has returned to the CD player after the initial curiosity phase. Perhaps one weekend when I'm feeling bored yet ambitious I'll re-listen to this stuff in toto.

mitya is still waiting to receive his new password in the mail, Sunday, 5 March 2006 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I, too, am a bit surprised some nasty oldtimer hasn't come along to reference a half dozen old threads, locked this one, and shut all us newer folk out of the discussions.

Don't be a dip, Mitya -- the idea is for you to *add* to those discussions done previously, and to implicitly point out that maybe some thread ideas aren't as new as all that. As I don't recall a specific thread on this subject, I see no particular reason to lock it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

This thread has been started by an oldtimer!

Is THE LODGER David Bowie's best record?

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

that lodger thread is one of the best ilm threads ever.

hi mark!!

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 5 March 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

fourteen years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1fTtwGqdQw

Maresn3st, Saturday, 5 December 2020 21:29 (four years ago)


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