Taking Sides: Kreucht & Fleucht vs DE9 Transitions

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THE PAST versus THE FUTURE

Yawn (Wintermute), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:40 (twenty years ago)

hawtin makes everything sound like techno, even all the house tunes he plays at unrecognisable pitches. kind of annoys me.

DE9 is sort of different from his usual but I still never really got into it....

I prefer Body Language to either, to be honest.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

I don't particularly enjoy the latter so it'll have to be the former.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 March 2006 20:47 (twenty years ago)

color vs. black&white

Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 12 March 2006 21:01 (twenty years ago)

germany versus canada

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 12 March 2006 21:03 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't got round to hearing Kreucht & Fleucht (probably 'cos 1) 2xCD = chore 2) Slam "This World" ) but how is it "the past" out of curiousity?

Body Language is kind of a great "mixed compilation"... with all the slight disjointedness (all bases covered), sometimes uncomfortable transtions and not-so-great tracks that implies.

I have to be in the mood for DE9:Transitions (slooooooooow build) but I do like it (hell of a pay-off for the wait). Ronan OTM, but I like techno so it makes no odds to me... I think I've remarked before though that he is the gateway point for "straight" techno disciples to all this stuff isn't he? (tweaking/changing it to suit his own/their own ends). I'm not going to hold that against him though.

I've probably played Kiki's Boogy Bytes Vol.1 more than either of them! :-O

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 12 March 2006 21:05 (twenty years ago)

i don't think much of hawtin these days and i haven't enjoyed the past several dj sets i've seen him do--they seem too bombastic, without having enough to say--but DE9: Transitions is really fucking good. a bit mystified to see it compared with 'kreucht & fleucht' (mix vs. single-artist-album?) but yeah, i was pleasantly surprised. you can get really into transitions if you're in the right mindset (like fandango says).

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Is DE9 a single-artist album? I haven't heard it, but I had the impression from reading about it that it was a (somehoe unconventional) mix...

Also, I don't understand the hate for that Slam track on K&F. Seems all right to me. The track I hate is John Tejada's "Paranoia". (Arch spoken-word shit always ruins tracks for me.)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:11 (twenty years ago)

somehoe -> somehow

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Don't tell me "Mothers dying, children crying", or whatever it is, doesn't make you cringe.

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

i consider de9: transitions to be a single-artist-album, even though it uses a lot of different tracks--hundreds, i think--as source material. each tune, to my understanding at least, is subtly stitched from many different tracks, which is hard to notice because everything sounds so sleek, programmed, and minimal in a very hawtinesque way.

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

that said, de9: transitions definitely has more cringeworthy track titles ('minimission'? 'minimal master'? ew!)

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

I love Paranoia!

What is the spoken word track in the middle of Transitions (the one about doing yoga?)

Good Dog (Good Dog), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:26 (twenty years ago)

i think it's right after the one where he rhymes 'pilates' with 'soy lattes'

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:28 (twenty years ago)

"minimanumission" :D

fandango (fandango), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

(many xposts)

jimnaseum, That awful line in "This World" is from the chorus, which doesn't appear in the Robag Wruhme Remix that Eulberg uses. The rest of the lyrics are still preachy and unsophisticated but it doesn't bother me too much. (In any case, I like Fleucht more than Kreucht.)

Paul in Santa Cruz (Paul in Santa Cruz), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

i don't think much of hawtin these days and i haven't enjoyed the past several dj sets i've seen him do--they seem too bombastic, without having enough to say--but DE9: Transitions is really fucking good

geeta otm

jergins (jergins), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:46 (twenty years ago)

I also haven't gotten around to hearing "Kreucht & Fleucht" so instead I will say this: Hawtin has never made a great mixed CD. Live, he's fantastic. Mixing on CD: profoundly overrated.

If I had to pick one, it would be the Mixmag Live disc (http://www.discogs.com/release/75030) -- cool track selections, the buildups have great payoffs and you don't have to wait 25 minutes for them.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:51 (twenty years ago)

I guess the subtext of all that is I really like the track selection on "Kreucht & Fleucht" and would probably prefer it to "DE9 Transitions" if I ever get around to hearing it.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Fabric 27

a, Sunday, 12 March 2006 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah people who think Kreucht & Fleucht is gonna be the same ol' boring minimalism should make sure they listen to the Fleucht disc - so pushing, as Kompakt would say...

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:00 (twenty years ago)

I hate the Slam track too, but this ridiculous video makes it a bit more palatable.

telephone thing, Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:01 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the Limmy.com videos are pretty good, he made a DVD and in it he comments on the lyrics in the Slam song, "He's talking about kids dying and I'm dancing about with a straw sellotaped to my face".

jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:04 (twenty years ago)

the tracklisting of that mixmag mix looks great (i would love to hear it...*cough*) and i think it's hilarious that his mix appears to peak with a big pile-up of his own productions. between the f.u.s.e. and the plastikman it's like 20% himself. they should've titled it 'maximum richie' or something

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:12 (twenty years ago)

er, sorry, i meant 'minimum richie'

'minimum-maximum richie goes on a minimission'

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:13 (twenty years ago)

haha i miss living in berlin. i loved the way people said 'minimal' there.

'meenimal'

geeta (geeta), Sunday, 12 March 2006 23:14 (twenty years ago)

i think it's hilarious that his mix appears to peak with a big pile-up of his own productions.

The comment on discogs is totally correct -- it's like a four-hour Hawtin set condensed into one hour. He starts with fairly stripped-down tracks, there's an incredible build up (highlights courtesy of his own stuff), then he cuts off "Spastik" WAY too early for some reason, then he plays some wierd shit as the mix appears to lose its sense of direction, then he recovers and there's another great build as Richie knows his night is almost over so he grabs a beer and starts shmoozing with people in the booth while letting some amazing track play out for ten minutes.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:02 (twenty years ago)

look here

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

whoa!! you rock!

geeta (geeta), Monday, 13 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

that mix is great. it's cinematic-widescreen-massive and brutal, but it still swings. it has a lot of warmth and emotion in it, and that first enormous buildup/peak is fucking incredible. i wish his dj sets these days were more like this.

geeta (geeta), Monday, 13 March 2006 01:01 (twenty years ago)

I find something about the programming of the mixes on K&F really stultifying. I like nearly all of the tracks on their own, but the way the cd is put together just makes it boring. Eulberg is irritatingly inconsistent - he has moments of utter genius like the "Follow You" remix but then other moments of utter sludge like "Die Rotbauchunken" (why was that so big???) I figure it's just that he's not a terribly good DJ, and to get all Theo Parrish, he probably suffers from overuse of digital tech, whereas Hawtin is at least rooted in analogue tradition.

So, yeah, DE:9 because it's a nice coherent listen.

Jacob (Jacob), Monday, 13 March 2006 04:19 (twenty years ago)

anything with the Wighnomy remix of Triola wins my vote.

K&F!

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Monday, 13 March 2006 05:55 (twenty years ago)

Arch spoken-word shit always ruins tracks for me

not quite the same buti consider the b-side of this to be the most annyonig unnecessary vocal that ive heard recently. the tune itself is awesome in that brutal calculated perfect poker flat shiny you-will-dance kinda way.

ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 13 March 2006 10:23 (twenty years ago)

Definately Eulberg for the win.

rchinn (rchinn), Monday, 13 March 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Eulberg!! Hawtin sometimes looks like Legolas, Elf of Mirkwood.

youth problem, Monday, 13 March 2006 19:31 (twenty years ago)

otm!! Eulberg is so much cooler

Yawn (Wintermute), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:36 (twenty years ago)

"I like nearly all of the tracks on their own, but the way the cd is put together just makes it boring"

I kind of agree with this reference to Kreucht, but I listen to Fleucht all the time and it always hits the spot ....

haven't heard DE9 so I can't really answer the question at hand.

are there any 2006 mixes to rival K&F and Body Language? I haven't bought any of this type of music yet this year.

Renard (Renard), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Andre Galluzzi - Berghain 01 (ok, late 2005)

Yawn (Wintermute), Monday, 13 March 2006 19:44 (twenty years ago)

"big mixes" so far this year are prob body language 2, and audion's fabric 27? haven't listened to either much so far, though. from the tracklisting i imagine the luciano sci-fi hi-fi mix will be pretty amazing.

toby (tsg20), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:30 (twenty years ago)

i'm pretty psyched by the looks of bugnology 2, coming out soon on poker flat. i really liked the first bugnology mix. not sure about the album cover art though!

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 07:32 (twenty years ago)

sorry, here's a better link, the pokerflat website is all wonky

geeta (geeta), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

to derail just a little bit, my favorite mix of last year was done by an ilxor, jeffery mac, and the link is here.

http://www.jefferymac.com/music/JefferyMac_The_Subtle_Energies.mp3

hope he doesn't mind if i post it. out of the two though, i would go with k&f, i enjoyed that more thatn any other mix hawtin did, except probably the mixmag live thing.

Jena (JenaP), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 07:48 (twenty years ago)

Dominik Eulberg provided me with my favourite t shirt of last year. It has a picture of an "Eisvogel" (looks a bit like a kingfisher) and says "Cool as ice".

Jacob (Jacob), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 08:50 (twenty years ago)

Audio Fabric 27 aint particularly special.
Holden at the Controls didnt live up to expectations either.

Agree the Luciano SciFi Hi-Fi mix on Soma looks strong.

rchinn (rchinn), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:44 (twenty years ago)

so...maybe you can join me in working this out...

fabric 27 - audion - released 20/3 (UK)
fabric 2? - villalobos - released ?????
body language 2 - released ????
full body workout 2 - released ?????
luciano sci fi hi fi - released 27/3 ?????
booka shade - movements - released 12/5


theres a bunch more stuff im waiting for but have forgotten - what is it?

ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 09:58 (twenty years ago)

luciano date is correct afaik. villalobos isn't on fabric's front page, so july at the earliest, i guess?

toby (tsg20), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm downloading jeffery's mix now jena, as I absolutely adore his Ride the Disco Train mix. Will report back!

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:03 (twenty years ago)

next Ricardo V Fabric date = May 27th. w/ Tobi Neumann in Room 1. Dave Clarke in Room 2 same date.

I think Villalobos' Fabric may be 3x. doesn't sound like he's made much progress.

a, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Have there been any other mixes as ambitious as DE9 Transitions in the last couple of years?

admrl, Monday, 21 June 2010 22:10 (fifteen years ago)


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