20 Jazz Funk Greats ... C/D?

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Classic! Not just "Hot on the Heels of Love," but every track on this record is so awesome I want to punch myself. Maybe one of the best records ever to just put on and let play ... which is what you do with every record, but ... it's perfect background, and it's engaging enough to sit down and take seriously.

sorry, but i just found a copy on vinyl yesterday, on Industrial Records WITH the poster (yes!), and i'm excited.

lovers? haters?

make yourselves known!

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Monday, 13 March 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Classic. Cover's a favorite as well.

vartman (novaheat), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:13 (twenty years ago)

totally classic. not a single second of filler. 'what a day' and 'persuasion' are my personal picks.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:14 (twenty years ago)

WITH the poster

I am jealous now.

Classic in many ways. Favorite track is "Still Walking".

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

First time I heard it was when it was given to me on tape by a friend in Leeds who I was visiting. I went out for a walk around the crappy inner city area he lives in with Beachy Head playing... classic!

Rombald, Monday, 13 March 2006 22:21 (twenty years ago)

D.O.A. trumps it for power and impact but this one was the unexpectedly cool pop breakthrough

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:24 (twenty years ago)

D.O.A. trumps it for power and impact

Agreed.

sleeve (sleeve), Monday, 13 March 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)

i like that there was not one vote against the classic status of this album. three cheers for ilm!

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Classic. I still play it all the time.

Jeff K (jeff k), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 05:43 (twenty years ago)

Classic from start to finish

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:43 (twenty years ago)

i especially love 'walkabout', a longer version of which is on chris carters "the space inbetween" album

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:48 (twenty years ago)

1 of 22 people found the following review helpful:

the single most frightening individuall i have ever heard of, August 24, 2005
Reviewer: Colleen M. Mckeage "billyzoggs" (california the same state as this wacko) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)
ok first there is the music althought i dont much enjoy the overbearing satanic themes of some modern day industrial music i do enjoy synth stuff and electronic sounds such that the industrial genre has perfected industrial music is generally ok and the sound that comes from throbbing gristle is pretty but the single fact that genessis p-orridge is in the band is scary enough to force any person into a prolonged depression this guy is a freak just do a google search on his image u will agree he has implants come on if u are looking for an original musician who fueld single handedly spawned a musical genre look at ian curtis of joy division he single handedly spawned post punk and new wave witch further inspired fugazi whom inspired nirvana witch all music now a days seems to have come from but most notable interpol is also spawned directly from joy division further more ian curtis was said to be friends with genesis and even quated that he wished his band was more like genesis' but did he go start a cult or take a vial of blood from his scrotum and inject it in his arm NO!!! did he think magick was real NO!!! could he spell magic right i bet so furthur than that ian curtis is far more visionary and raw than orridge could ever be i know it is a completely different style of music but come on people this guy is freaky i would rather listen to brittany spears or even hip hop pop crap than some freak who starts cults and sigils and stuff what and worships sex sigils what he belongs in a mental hospital or a straight jacket i like wierd people they are interesting but this guy is a serius head case he is screwed up again i say look at his piture breast implant tatoos and a balloon attached to his nipple and shoved into a cut in his side to drain the life giving milk out of his bossom and back into his body they are fake breast u freaking psycho and y would u cut a gaping hole in your side come on people listen to music from someone u can respect not a crazy psychomaniac who believes cybersex is a holy undertaking he hung out with charles manson people and his cult was a death cult he needs help and if u can justify listening to anything made by a wierdo like this u need help too no matter how good or bad the music is bottom line this guy is scary and screwed up stick with modern day industrial there are plenty of good popular songs from the 70's era and seriusly look at joy division and what they spawnd all the way to interpol the best new band out there in my opinion

zappi (joni), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

5 of 11 people found the following review helpful:

This is not a jazz cd, November 6, 2001
Reviewer: (...@...) from Manchester England
This is a truly stunning cd but it is not a jazz cd it sits uneasily between punk(home made) and electro noise

willem -- (willem), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:06 (twenty years ago)

indeed, a classic from start to finish to start again

frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:11 (twenty years ago)

C L A S S I C

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

have we FINALLY found the mythic "album that everyone on ILX likes"? in the shape of THROBBING GRISTLE?? awesome.

electrogrouse (haitch), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

Well it is their pop album

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)

you have a point.

electrogrouse (haitch), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 12:18 (twenty years ago)

classic classic classic...

i play this way more than all the others...

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)

the title itself is a classic.

Jack Battery-Pack (Jack Battery-Pack), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:28 (twenty years ago)

classic, obviously.

Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

heathen earth is my fave but yeah classic

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

Classic. Somebody should write a book about this wonderful album!

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

I mean, "Beachy Head", what else sounds like that?

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

glad someone mentioned Chris Carter's totally cool The Space Between album, I think originally a cassette on Industrial, it came out on CD as part of the "grey area a mute" series. I posted a song from it to the YSI thread ages ago but nobody noticed.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I was always tempted to pick up The Space Between but never got around to it.

So, it's that good?

Jeff K (jeff k), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't think it's that great, it does sound a bit like demos, better off with "Heartbeat" by Chris and Cosey!

Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

AMAZING.

MAX BRODY, ULTIMATE ROADIE (ddb), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 18:30 (twenty years ago)

wow, no one has negged it.. i didn't even bother answering when i first saw the thread because it's such a no-brainer classic

gritty sanskrit (sanskrit), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Well here's a new opinion. I just downloaded it and am hearing it for the first time. The "Discipline" jams at the end are a little much, but I kind of like it. However, it's not particularly blowing me away this first time. Can someone explain just what about this record makes it so special or offer a key/axe to get inside it? Nonetheless, I don't want to tarnish the amazing record right now, so judgment is postponed until I receive advice on how to access it.

regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:33 (twenty years ago)

correct me if wrong, but Discipline was a single and was tacked onto the CD as bonus cuts, right?

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, that changes things a bit.

regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:49 (twenty years ago)

Classic. Somebody should write a book about this wonderful album!

A great idea. Hey Drew, why don't you take a crack at it?

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Dan Selzer is right, Discipline is a not-very-welcome bonus. The video I've seen of 'em performing it are quite good though...

Which reminds me, does anyone know where one could get an uncensored version of the recording of Heathen Earth? Mine has an annoying floating box over whatever is showing on the TV screen. What are they showing?!

Rombald, Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- No way, man, who'd accept his proposal?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:57 (twenty years ago)

"well, it is their pop album ..."

that's true, but a pop album for TG is not exactly "Toxic" by Britney Spears. so, i'd say it's a pop album for a fucking insane band that has not much, if anything ... other than the fact that their influence has extended into that area, to do with pop.

Regular Roundups ...

Here's my short take on some of the reasons why this album matters so much, and how you might find a "key" ... generally considered part of the second wave of punk, Throbbing Gristle started as soundscapes/soundtracks for art installations. However, unlike Brian Eno, or many others, the purpose of this ambience was to disrupt the situation, to challenge the medium/presentation, and like the Futurists (sans Fascism, and perhaps directly against fascism) and other Modernist artists (probably obvious is Dadaism) they seemed to be celebrating (?) and destroying their influences all at once. If you want to get dorky ... think of Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari's ideas about the "Body Without Organs" ... a breakdown in production, in this case music and pop music, that creates an opportunity to revisit both the means of production and forces a new organization of them. So, a band like TG picks up on some of the disjunctions and inconsistencies in music, and go with that in a way that sort of reifies that structure, but completely changes it. That's why Genesis could be friends with, as mentioned earlier, Ian Curtis, and produce something so different. I mean, sure, Joy Division was a huge influence on industrial and goth music, but I would point to someone like TG first. You can hear some of the social and economic conflicts of that time in the music, and in the instrumentation itself ... factories laid nearly bare with neglect, waste management personnel on strike ... and therefore trash covering the streets, the disillusionment of a world where industry and mass production have begun to show us that they might not be the magic ticket to being as happy and fat as we were told.

I know this is all a bit wanky, but I think that at the root ... either you find something to appreciate in this album or not. Personally, I enjoy it for it's influence and for the instrumentation. But like most albums I have grown to love, it didn't strike me at first ... other than in a weird way. So, I kept revisiting it, to figure it out, and suddenly I realized that I had fallen madly and deeply in love with Genesis and crew.

I hope that this didn't just sound pseudo-wanky, but helps give an in to this FUCKING AWESOME (!) record.

(:

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 19:58 (twenty years ago)

x-post -- No way, man, who'd accept his proposal?

There's gotta be someone out there who's weird enough -- or cool enough -- to greenlight this.

Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:06 (twenty years ago)

i have nothing to add apart from CLASSIC CLASSIC CLASSIC. that track where every element in the mix pans back and forth (i'm drawing a blank on the title)... whoa.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:22 (twenty years ago)

i don't have the cd of this but i can't believe they stuck 'discipline' on as the bonus track. i love a bit of 'discipline' but that would totally change the feel of 20jfg.

'the space between' rules as does chris carter's 'mondo beat' lp.

stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:25 (twenty years ago)

discipline is unimpeachably great but has no business on (the equally great) 20 jazz funk greats. that's an outrage.

dan (dan), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

There's gotta be someone out there who's weird enough -- or cool enough -- to greenlight this.

They'll yet speak up.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:30 (twenty years ago)

i have this on cd and yeah, "discipline" is a total vibe-killer of a bonus track.

spastic heritage (spastic heritage), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like you all.... could use.... a little more...
BUH BUH BUHBUH CLACK! BUH BUH BUHBUH CLACK!

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Pretty good. My favorites are: Convincing People, What A Day, (the underrated) Six Six Sixties, and one or two of the more atmospheric/instrumental tracks whose titles have never stuck with me. Persuasion was very funny in my delayed adolescence-20s but no longer. (At least not enough to make me put that song on now, but maybe still funny enough to make me laugh if I did put it on.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Rocket Scientist says it's merely "pretty good"

The backlash is starting.

Jeff K (jeff k), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Nah, it's classic in it's way, just less and less important to me. But the balancing act between "Convincing People"/"What a Day" type stuff and the moody ambient stuff is pretty well-done.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Cameron, xpost. I've deleted both Discipline tracks just to lose some of the baggage. It seems like kind of a funny record to me. I like that.

regular roundups (Dave M), Tuesday, 14 March 2006 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Okay, I've listened to the album as a whole about 2 1/2 times today, and I even went and bought it at the record store. So far, it's striking me as a little funny (in a kind of pretentious way), a lot pretentious (aside from the humor), creepy, a little scary (creepy != scary), great rhythmic background music, a little hard to focus on, and very challenging. I will continue to give it my time, but the pretentious factor is weighing a bit heavily. Not that I want to talk about that stuff that much, because then it just becomes a battle of "well, you're being pretentious by calling that pretentious" and "oh yeah, well you are." Also, I'm not sure what I think of the industrial/goth scene in general, so the idea of TG's influence might be a negligible one for me. At this point, I'm leaning against its favor, but it would be a lot better for me if TG didn't seem to be such a concept-heavy band.

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 02:39 (twenty years ago)

fair enough. :)

Cameron Octigan (Cameron Octigan), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 03:48 (twenty years ago)

Oh no! You were supposed to have a refutation about how I should just slough off the non-musical baggage, even if it is imposed by the band, and enjoy (insert awesome, heretofore unthought of aspect of the record).

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

You say you listened to it 2 and a half times. My guess is you couldn't make it through the third time and gave up.

You're not trying hard enough.

Jeff K (jeff k), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:17 (twenty years ago)

slight tangent: does anyone else think the carl craig re-edit of "hot on the heels of love" is THE great example of the re-edit art?

electrogrouse (haitch), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:21 (twenty years ago)

No no, Jeff. It's just that it's finals week and I'm not made of time. Coincidence, not a matter of "not trying hard enough." Serious question though, how does one justify the necessity of "trying hard" to "get" a record?

xpost

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:23 (twenty years ago)

Actually I was joking about not trying hard enough. At least you made an effort. Maybe it'll eventually grow on you but there's no need to force yourself into liking something.

Jeff K (jeff k), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh, haha. nice.

regular roundups (Dave M), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 04:32 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

Classic. Somebody should write a book about this wonderful album!
― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel)

A great idea. Hey Drew, why don't you take a crack at it?
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC)

x-post -- No way, man, who'd accept his proposal?
― Ned Raggett (Ned)

There's gotta be someone out there who's weird enough -- or cool enough -- to greenlight this.
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC)

They'll yet speak up.
― Ned Raggett (Ned)

LOL

ilxor, Thursday, 22 January 2009 05:13 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

always loved this cover

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUnEWxN8LCM

jed_, Thursday, 22 November 2012 02:57 (thirteen years ago)

No better time than now.

โตเกียวเหมียวเหมียว aka Italo Night at Some Gay Club (Mount Cleaners), Friday, 23 November 2012 15:15 (thirteen years ago)


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