Great moments in pop music meta-textuality

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Beatles - "Only a Northern Song" (pretty much the entire lyric)
Pavement - "Gold Soundz" ("and they're coming to the chorus now")
Destroyer - "Looter's Follies" ("I swear, Looter's Follies has never sounded so good")

Examples must reference the song in question, not the artist or album. Go!

gooblar (gooblar), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:18 (twenty years ago)

This has been done...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Should have listened to "New Face In Hell"

senseiDancer (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:23 (twenty years ago)

a lot of ca. 1992-1994 techno is basically meta-textual in that the addition and subtraction of tracks makes the construction of the song explicit -- and its very explicitness is a huge part of the (un-meta) appeal; granted, techno's not pop.

okay then, bob wills: "i bet you think that's TWO fiddles playin" *fiddles continue to wail, bass thumps, guitar jumps, then bob says apologetically:* "... well ... it is!"

i think we have done this, but i can't find it on the search.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Must we call it "meta-textuality" every time a songster references the fact that he's a'singin' a song?

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:24 (twenty years ago)

YES

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

built to spill - joyride

he sings the chords
and omg how post-modern
and
"this part of the song is called the second verse
sounds just like the first but with different words"
and
"you've heard it all before it's the same old shit so I won't bore you with all the details"

justsomegalwitabibleandhairspraylol, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:45 (twenty years ago)

"Fast And Slow Song" by The Vestibules:

"And this is the part of the song /
that's real quiet /
we play very soft /
it sounds like a ballad

And this is the part where we play real hard /
It's much louder than the beginning

And we go back to the quiet part again /
If the whole song was this way /
It would be boring

So we go back to playing loud
It's like the first time
But slightly louder
And this is usually the part
where it would be quiet again
but we don't want it to be
too predictable
predictable
predictable"

Much much funnier of course when actually sung.

Herr Fahrstuhl, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Isn't that called "The Grunge Song"?

"What are we doing now?"

"Oh, this is the part of the video where people talk before the song starts...."

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:10 (twenty years ago)

roxy girls - "yummy fur"

"this is the second half of 'roxy girls' / where social comment has all but dissolved"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:32 (twenty years ago)

second verse, same as the first

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

"that's the anthem, get cha damn hands up"

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

Weird Al Yankovic - "(This Song's Just) Six Words Long"

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

in fact, huge swathes of hip-hop, if you count every time an MC talks about what an awesome MC he is and how hard he is currently rocking you. this possibly explains some of the feeling of immediacy I get from hip-hop, the fourth wall is broken.

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:39 (twenty years ago)

"you probably think this song is about you" - maybe the most classic of all!

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:41 (twenty years ago)

meta-textuality can suck my dick

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

i dare you to say that to Jay-Z's face

Lukas (lukas), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

he bit meta-textuality from biggie

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:00 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I was gonna rule out hip-hop from consideration because it so obviously uses meta-textuality (sorry) all the time, but I forgot to. Who cares.

gooblar (gooblar), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:19 (twenty years ago)

Randy Travis- Forever & Ever Amen: "just listen to how this song ends"

cracktivity1 (cracktivity1), Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:31 (twenty years ago)

beck - "that was a good drum break" or something

jonathon, Wednesday, 15 March 2006 23:38 (twenty years ago)

woops, i messed up my last post. the band is yummy fur. the song is "roxy girls."

that is a great song, by the way, and i've probably heard it 100 times now, but i've never heard anything else by them.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 16 March 2006 00:13 (twenty years ago)

"that was a good drum break" is a sample from The Frogs. So it's even more meta. Or something.

Brakhage (brakhage), Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:34 (twenty years ago)

"Formed a Band" by Art Brut. The whole song. "I wanna be the boy - the man - that writes the song that makes Israel and Palestine get along".

Fugazi, on the song Furniture: "This is a song with no words".

I'll think of more later...

Emily B, Thursday, 16 March 2006 01:57 (twenty years ago)

Woodie Guthrie: "Sacco and Vanzetti are gone, left me here to sing this song."

I mean really though, this is like the oldest gimmick in songwriting. "Meta-textual" my ass.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:00 (twenty years ago)

OOIOO, "I am a Song"

Jimmy M (Jimmy M), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.vex.net/~paulmac/carpenter/lyrics/sing_sm.jpg
"Sing, sing a song, sing out loud, sing out strong"

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 March 2006 02:38 (twenty years ago)

it's that break in the song where i should say something special
but the pressure is on, i can't think of nothing special
not when i'm with you

sparks - when i'm with you

mason r butler, Thursday, 16 March 2006 03:39 (twenty years ago)

Pulp - "Something Changed",

I wrote this song two hours before we met"

Not just meta, it's paradoxical too!

daavid (daavid), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

I mean really though, this is like the oldest gimmick in songwriting.

see also: herman's hermits, "i'm henry the eighth i am":

"second verse, same as the first"

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

"chorus" in Wire's Map Ref. 41N 93W
and, if i knew how, i'd post the cover of "I'm Some Songs" by the Shadow Ring.

nerve pylon (flat_of_angles), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:05 (twenty years ago)

The Human Leage owns this thread:

"This is a song called the Circus Of Death
It tells the true story of a circus we met
The first two verses concern the actual arrival at Heathrow Airport of Commissioner Steve McGarrett
The third emotionally describes a map showing the range of the circus
The fourth and fifth were extracted from an article in the Guardian of March the 19th, 1962
The last is a short wave radio message from the last man on Earth..."

naus (Robert T), Thursday, 16 March 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

"second verse, same as the first"

This is the song that never ends
it just goes on and on my friends ...

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:24 (twenty years ago)

I'd imagine that the long-standing tradition of "meta-textuality" in song stems largely from the fact that song is often a participatory artform. Hence it's cute but not especially clever or unusual to wink at your audience since they're right there with you singing the song.

Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 16 March 2006 05:30 (twenty years ago)

Motorhead, "Fast And Loose": "I'm coming over and it won't be long/Just let me finish writing this song!"

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Thursday, 16 March 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Found it - Top 100 most META songs of all times

The Yellow Kid, Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:14 (twenty years ago)

"Now this is the part where the rap breaks down
It gets real intense, no one makes a sound
Everything looks like it's 8 Mile now
The beat comes back and everybody lose themselves.."

Eminem, "Just Lose It"

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 16 March 2006 07:41 (twenty years ago)

Nobody mentioned Hallelujah - Leonard Cohen

So here it goes, the fourth, the fifth,
the minor fall and the major lift

Joe Dunthorne (JoseMaria), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:04 (twenty years ago)

1992-1994 techno is basically meta-textual in that the addition and subtraction of tracks makes the construction of the song explicit -- and its very explicitness is a huge part of the (un-meta) appeal; granted, techno's not pop.

sorry, what, the construction of the song (ie addition and subtraction of tracks)... makes the construction of the song explicit?

how so?

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:06 (twenty years ago)

'when the strings come in, it reveals the constructedness of the song'

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

'omg wtf! songs are constructed?!'

The Man Without Shadow (Enrique), Thursday, 16 March 2006 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Oh No Not You Again Australian Crawl "strum strum strum strum now"

Yes Sir, I Can Boogie Baccara "already told you in the first verse, and in the chorus"


You're So Vain Carly Simon "you probably think this song is about you"

Strangelove Depeche Mode "pain - I won't say it again"

She's So Fine Easybeats "that's all"

Your Song Elton John "this song's for you" [etc.]

Holy Grail Hunters and Collectors "it's a short song but one hell of a story"

Sex Machine James Brown Can I take it to the bridge?

When I Think Of You Janet Jackson "bass"; "break"

Screaming Jets Johnny Warman "again"; "G" [etc.]

Rock Your Body Justin Timberlake "gonna get you nekkid by the end of this song"

Walking The Dog Laurie Anderson I feel so bad, I feel so sad, but not as bad as the time I wrote this song

This Is Not A Love Song PIL "this is not a love song"

Chuck E's In Love Rickie Lee Jones "Chuck E's in love with the little girl who's singin' this song"

True Spandau Ballet "why do I find it hard to write the next line"

No.1 Song In Heaven Sparks This is the number one song in heaven

When I'm With You Sparks "it's the break in the song when I should say something special"

Pumping On Your Stereo Supergrass Can you hear us pumpin on your stereo?

I Believe Tears For Fears "I believe that if you're bristling while you hear this song"

Barbara Ann The Beach Boys that's stupid [in response to inappropriate performances by other members of the band]

Modern Song The Numbers "this is a modern song"

Telegram Sam, Friday, 17 March 2006 01:55 (twenty years ago)

1st song off "No Flashlight" by Mt Eerie:

Knowing no-one will understand these songs,
I try to sing them clearer,
Even though no-one has ever asked
"What does Mount Eerie mean?"
I tried to repeatedly explain
In these complicated songs.

Heath Pardoe (badg), Friday, 17 March 2006 04:01 (twenty years ago)

When I first heard "I Broke My Saw" by Love Tractor, I thought it was "I Wrote My Song," which seems a lot better to me. "I lost it all, when I wrote that deadly song..."

Doctor Casino (Doctor Casino), Friday, 17 March 2006 08:31 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, can't believe that no Steely Dan-worshipping ILMer has mentioned "Deacon Blues" yet.

I've mentioned before how, as a youngster, I always thought that the Doobie Brothers were singing not "Without love/Where would you be now?" but "Well now look/We're the Doobies now!"

Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Friday, 17 March 2006 10:02 (twenty years ago)

*Denim, Internet Curtains
Denim, The Best Song in the World

*if someone can remind me of the lyrics I'd be most obliged!

Dadaismus the Blind (of Alexandria) (Dada), Friday, 17 March 2006 10:54 (twenty years ago)

Not just meta, it's paradoxical too!

As is Billy Bragg's "A New England":

"I was 21 years when I wrote this song
I'm 22 now, but I won't be for long"

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 17 March 2006 11:50 (twenty years ago)


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