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new dizzee album; out soon-ish (have seen reports that it will be out on 10 april but surely not); called maths and english because maths = the beats he makes and english = the rhymes he does; some tracks co-produced with mizz beats; 'wasteman' will be on it.

that's all i know. but it sounds like something to be excited about so far, so get excited!

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:41 (nineteen years ago)

it's also a pun on two subjects you might study at school, right kids?

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

right

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

Why isn't the album entitled Technical Drawing and Home Economics?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Because TDAHE is a shit acronym.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's a track-by-track faithful cover version of "Reading, Writing and Arithmetic" by The Sundays. Obv.

― Tim (Tim), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

If only!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully it will follow in the footsteps of chemistry as a great album named after a school subject. and jacko's history of course (that was a greatest hits right?)

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

haha indeed.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

and huey lewis' 'sports'.

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Now there was a great album!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still hoping that Girls Aloud will have a b-side called "Physics".

OTOH, if I was in school now I would doubtless have rewritten "Biology" to be something like "you can't escape from Geography"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:00 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, that GA quip was rather blue, you perky little saucebox!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

maths and britishes

― send your men of science quick (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

The new Dusty Rascal album should be called Polkas, Waltzes And Schottisches.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone know if this is coming out on his label properly, or is it to be distributed by XL or what? I know that the Newham Generals album is coming out on Dirtee Stank, just wondered how independant his label really is (seing as a non-mainstream infrastructure is the only thing that will really enable grime to flourish given the demonstrable failure of the various attempts to jump into the mainstream last year...)

― gek-opel, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

this is his last contracted album on xl i believe, should he not get a new deal.

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm... Is he gonna be dropped I take it? Sales haven't been that bad I'm sure, altho pehaps he'll want to take his wares elsewhere. I don't think he's been taken too badly by XL tho from what I can tell...

― gek-opel, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

i dunno. it feels like he's at a crossroads tho, somehow.

too early to suppose anything about this album yet really i guess; certainly easier to be pessimistic based on, well, 'wasteman' which sounds so-so but u can't really hear the mp3 that's around properly anyway, the very mediocre track logan played yesterday that probly won't be on the album, and the rinse fm guest appearance and murkle man remix wot went WHOOOAAA-to-meh in about 10 seconds. maybe the only thing there is to say so far is that this definitely the album where he lets other people in, having been around the world and ay ay ay the last few years, or better yet the one where he'll have to confront the grime he helped establish on its own half-grown-up terms, for better or worse. i really hope this'll mean more than a klass a guest spot on a footsie riddim featuring bun b or something.

still tho, this is dizzee, and no one else can ever say "i like to move it move it / u want beef? / prove it" quite like he does.

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

so get excited!

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mizz Beats alone is enough for me to get excited about this. But other than that I really have no clue what to expect.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

mizz beats = just erm d double signal, hoodie rmx and the run the road 2 one right? ... i suppose i could have another listen to those.

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I think that's it unless there are some dubplates floating around that I've not heard about (or that I didn't realize were her.)

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

i really dont think she's in dubplate radio world at all! she's like... medasyn, or some such.

― rtcotm (mwah), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

im kinda looking forward to this. should be good but i dont think theres many people who dont prefer BIDC to showtime. and seeing as he wants to be a big star over here, i dont think hes going to be pushing the avant garde side of his music on his third album. its also his last for XL, dont know if hes gonna resign with them or not, or if hes not that happy with them (not sure why he wouldnt be, hes done well IMHO). ive heard some of his recent rhymes on radio and on logan samas show and theyve been alright, nothing earthshaking, but i think the decider on this album is going to be the production. wil it be hip hoppy or will it be weird again like BIDC. ive a feeling itll be in between which for me at least = slight dissapointment.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just can't bring myself to get excited about it; don't really have the inner feeling of "bloody hell! new Dizzee! I must hear it!" But then I also feel that way about forthcoming albums by the Streets/Morrissey/Flaming Lips. It's as if the time for all of this sort of stuff has passed (me by).

I'll see what it sounds like when I've heard some of it. But I'm not going to waste twelve quid on the mere basis that "this is Dizzee."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

im not excited about it cos well, most albums are dissapointing these days, no matter the genre (and in grime the ratio of yay to whathtefuckisthis is much greater). tv on the radio, morrissey, yeah yeah yeahs, streets, all their new stuff has been boring. i dont expect dizzees album to be any different (esp as i dont expect him to scale the heights of BIDC any time soon - he seems to be wanting to get away from what made that album so good).

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

You could say that about grime per se, I reckon - the noisy, falling-off-a-cliff, WTF factors of the early stuff ("I Luv U" etc. included) was what I found attractive about it; then when it comes to making Proper Records we just get bad R&B/Jay-Z wannabe-ism. Same with drum 'n' bass when they stopped wanting to make a racket and started wanting to be Herbie Hancock.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

i DO say it about grime per se. theres still some vocal cuts and records i like a lot, but by and large, the 'proper' vocal cuts grime makes are boring, fake commercial-hip hop wannabe stuff. and im not even talking about the obvious culprits like the roll deep singles, i mean the stuff that gets played on the pirates. its really crap. even on run the road 1 i thought this, but thought i would give it the benefit of the doubt. grime as a live medium = good, grime as a record medium = woefully inadequate.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Here's hoping Dizzee makes a full length track based around his dope rhymes in Band Aid 20.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Best case scenario - 45mins of hyperspeed pop grime a la Stand Up Tall or Fickle. It seems the way forward if he's going to go commercial and look to stay exciting.

I doubt this will be THAT commercial. My suspicion is that this will follow the formula of the past two - non-stop for the first four or five tracks, descends into abject hell in the middle then pulls you back from the brink with a great pop song (Jus' A Rascal, Dream), ends on trademark philosophical note.

Other grime albums are irrelevant to this discussion because unlike everyone else Dizzee has proven he's a compelling enough persona to sustain interest throughout an entire album no matter how inaccessible the music becomes. Which can't really be said for Wiley or Lethal.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

i would love 45 mins of stand up tall type stuff but i doubt i would get it. its probably going to be perfectly produced midtempo stuff a la showtime, in guessing, which means zzzzzzz.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

The Lethal B album is actually pretty damn great!

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

it is, but only in a big dumb stupid way
more fire crew>>>lethal b solo

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

there's a really good remix of roots manuva's 'colossal insight' which is credited to jammer and mizz beats, too.

i think dizzee will make a success of whatever kind of beats he chooses to work with, i'm curious as to what subject matter he'll be dealing with though.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's a concept album about Lord of the Flies and all the beats will be based on the Fibonacci series and will sound a bit like Autechre.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

methinks the subject will be the perils of fame and haters and imaginary guns he owns and shootings and things hes copying from american rappers

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

(Marga Man plays the role of Piggy)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps it will be a concept album revolving around a day in the school life of dylan mills with skits where you hear dizzee revising and watching newsround and things like that

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

it'll be a tangled tale of how he loses some money down the back of the tv...

― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

that would be SO CUTE.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

itll be how he misbehaved in chemistry so he could be kept back in detention to learn how to cook uncut crack cocaine and become a big time shotter on road - this way he could talk about coke just like all the big US rappers are doing. i think this is what he would like to do the most.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

stop bullying the poor boy titchy.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

whatever, I just want to know if the track he did with Bun B is going to make the cut.

― papat, Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

itll be about bullies too! dizzee could be a righteous playground character saving the other little kids from the bullies! if anyone from XL is reading this, get in touch about hiring me as A&R. no, seriously, my email is above.

― titchyschneider (titchyschneider), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

good title

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 29 March 2006 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

THA NU DIZZEE ALBUM GNA B DA SHIZZNNITT MAAAAAIN!

― o double t, Thursday, 6 April 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

any information about this?

― grand (grand), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

wag1 peepz dyz ani1 no da lyrics 2 dollar sign-lady stuah.holla bak.peace
-- siven (siven9...), August 13th, 2006. (2 trackbacks)

― Sir Dr. Rev. PappaWheelie Jr. II of The Third Kind (PappaWheelie 2), Thursday, 17 August 2006 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

65 Days Of Static came close with 'The Fall Of Math'.

This can be reversed, of course. Album titles that would have made sick-ass school subjects...

Mutations
Dig Your Own Hole
Pornography

― Scourage (Haberdager), Thursday, 17 August 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

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I became much more reconciled to that nu-metal dalliance when I confirmed it was an isolated incident!

― Tim F, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think I would be okay with just the guitars on that part, it's the guitars + megaphone vocals that get to me.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Bubbles and Flex are wicked songs

― Erock Zombie, Tuesday, 12 June 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

best rap album of the year i reckon.... def top 5 at least.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

finally listened to most of it this morning but it sounds much weaker than the first two to me.

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

BIDC is kinda overrated if you ask me

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

RONG AGAIN

― jim, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

fookin brilliant record.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

esp. surprised by all the love for 'suck my dik' - thought it was v poor/boring on first listen.

― blueski, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

"Where's da G'a" and "Flex" are prolly my faves right now, "Da Feelin'" close behind.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

dont like that one that much although its kinda fun in a juvenille way. but pussyole, wannabe, flex, wheres da gs = all classic. some of his best songs.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

although its kinda fun in a juvenille way

exactly! It's like "Summertime" by Fresh Prince or somethin.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

um yeah. exactly the same. hard to tell the two apart in fact.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

you know what I mean.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

i do i do ;)

more snoop and eazy e and dr dre than will smith/summertime though.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Titchy I'm still surprised that you're taking this line (including saying BIDC is a bit overrated!) but I do agree.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:02 (eighteen years ago)

the line that its a good album? it is though! ill make a post maybe later about why i now think BIDC is a bit overrated despite its obvious moments of genius but i think this is overall, dizzees most enjoyable album. its also the most free of self consciousness i think hes ever been on an album. i only keep bumping the thread after i go back to M+E and feel excited after hearing 'i love it when you wind like thaaaaaaat' again. ;)

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

or maybe its not really good and ive just been brainwashed by reading too many of lex's posts.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

Having listened to all three again in the last few weeks, Showtime is the particularly overrated one. The best moments are tremendous but the sag in quality in the middle is really apparent.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

Titchy I guess I just thought that you'd be Boy in da Corner forever, death to all hip hop tinged follow-ups.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:27 (eighteen years ago)

tim, theoretically i am, and in the case of most grime artists, i def am (that new kano mix cd was painfully dissapointing for example), but dizzee seems like he can pull it off somehow. its weird, cos whenever he freestyles on hip hop beats on radio, he sounds terrible. but here, he seemed to find a way to make it fit him better. shame there arent more grimier tracks like temptation though... (although even that is ruined by that arctic monkeys bit)

and yeah, showtime is really hard to listen to. it takes it out of you...

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 3 July 2007 22:38 (eighteen years ago)

yes. This album puts it back in really effectively, tho. Dizzee is goddamn good.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 July 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, I love this: "Temptation," "Suk My Dik," "World Outside," at least three others.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 6 July 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

the radio version of pussyole is diff - new scratches, bassline and arrangement. they just played it on radio one.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

And the word Pussyole removed, I assume?

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, that too

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

just has a meeow sound instead of the word

ok, not really, but i wish it did

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ha that would be awesome.

― Tim F, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

i might make that edit myself lol

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 31 July 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

two months pass...

apparently flex IS the next single!

― titchyschneiderMk2, Tuesday, 2 October 2007 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

this is pretty krunk

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:48 (seventeen years ago)

Looking forward to seeing him live again soon.

― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)

is there some kind of huge hit on this album?
i passed by mtv hits a few days ago and saw "dizzee rascal's hitlist".
weeeird.

― Creeztophair, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 19:57 (seventeen years ago)

Regular old MTV is pimping out The Gossip nonstop during their morning programming, so heavy MTV exposure doesn't necessarily correlate to mainstream success as much as it correlates to however much an act has impressed the MTV programming folks, whether it be through an internal champion or crafty A&R deals.

― HI DERE, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 20:19 (seventeen years ago)

That Gossip (and possibly Dizzee) thing is part of an "MTV is music" promotion called 52/52; fifty-two "hawt" but intentionally diverse artists, doling out one per week with interviews/live shows/private show bumpers. They're also doing Flo Rida, Gnarls Barkley, Testament and Santogold.
That "internal champion/crafty a&R" is certainly the largest part of the selection process.

― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 23 April 2008 20:24 (seventeen years ago)

santogold blows.

― Creeztophair, Thursday, 24 April 2008 01:12 (seventeen years ago)

Def Jux reissue doesn't have "Pussyole" on it.

LOSS

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 05:57 (seventeen years ago)

Vonus track "Driving With Nowhere To Go" is U&K.

― etc, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:08 (seventeen years ago)

Def Jux reissue doesn't have "Pussyole" on it.

Wha?

― Raw Patrick, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 09:11 (seventeen years ago)

one month passes...

just read an interview with him on channel 4 teletext. "dance music was shit" before calvin harris' acceptable in the eighties came out apparently.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:02 (seventeen years ago)

he's been talking such bullshit lately

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

'dance wiv me' is obv dreadful

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:06 (seventeen years ago)

It isn't.

― zeus, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:16 (seventeen years ago)

it was more awful at glasto.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Wednesday, 2 July 2008 12:18 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

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― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Saturday, 19 July 2008 09:02 (seventeen years ago)

I was just banging some "Pussy'ole" tonight.

― The Reverend, Saturday, 19 July 2008 09:57 (seventeen years ago)

hes on the cover of HHC this month with el-p. they must be a bit strapped for cover stars at the mo (its an AMERICAN re-release, and quite a few months old now!). sticking with hhc, i do like the mag a lot, but i dont get how dizzee is the only grime artist they feature regularly, esp when they could give some space to skepta or doogz or someone instead of all the no-mark uk hip hop names they seem to feature all the time.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Sunday, 20 July 2008 23:00 (seventeen years ago)

five months pass...

WTF he is working with Armand Van Helden for the next album?! Jesus that could be amazing.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:00 (seventeen years ago)

Ah, I see this is old news. Still, exciting.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:05 (seventeen years ago)

nearly 10 years since AVH fell off tho?

― Timezilla vs Mechadistance (blueski), Wednesday, 14 January 2009 18:08 (seventeen years ago)

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