Timbaland is mediocre, ADMIT IT

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now that we've been drenched with Timbaland singles for what, 3 years now? i think its high time we all admit that all that asskissing wasnt worth it.

― chaki, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think all I've heard is "Miss E... So Addictive", but to my ears it's the most astounding production I've heard in years. I'm not kissing his ass, however.

― Sean, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I still think there are regions of his ass I've not yet kissed fully, and I vow to continue until every square millimetre has known the touch of my lips.

― Tom, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that new single by 'Tweet' makes me want to turn into a werewolf

― chaki, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

is that good or bad tho?

― mark s, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I liked that Tweet song when I saw the vid until the second Missy showed. I am pretty sick of Timbaland's little buried vocal effect though. It just seems like filler.

― bnw, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

'Sup!.....I think the ass kissing was worth because Timbaland's productions, over the years, have completely changed the sound of Hip Hop and R'n'B. If not musically , then at least technically. Tho' of late Timbaland's output has been pretty weak, I think the Tweet and Ms Jade singles are a return to form. PEACE

― jon, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Tweet single rules. Don't hate.

― adam, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, you guys, there's nothing that great about this guy. Maybe he made a couple of good beats. That's really nothing to get all pumped up about.

― Ron Hudson, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey, most people can't even make one good beat. At best I'd stumble down the stairs myself.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Anybody who has the following lyric on one of their albums wins forever!

I don't mean to brag I don't mean to boast but I'd like some of that delicious french toast

Syd Barrett is Timbaland's little bitch.

― mt, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Timbaland=Missy Elliott=Bubbbbbbaaa Sparxxxxxx=N'Sync=Gemini's Twin=Serendipity's Coincidence=Backstreet Boys=Puddle of Mudd=Limp Bizkit=Aaliyah=total request live is, like, my favorite show, totally!

― Ron Hudson, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That was a mind-fuck worthy of Chuck Eddy. Don't agree with you, though. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh well

― Ron Hudson, Wednesday, 13 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I still haven't heard the Tweet or Ms.Jade singles. I wonder how my music tastes would be different if I could actually watch Total Request Live, sigh.

― Tom, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Automator is better. Bitch this be the new Hova/Nas thread. 2002 in da house.

― JM, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Gorillaz is then inevitably brought up and the thread dies.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I got flow like timba/rhymes awkward to assemble/but still you'll dance/cause automator is pants/and timba got beats/for bringing tha heat/and moving your feet/keeps snares dirty/keeps vocals sweet/output that's sturdy/attracting girls that's flirty/ya'll can't handle me/comin at ya wit a 303/I'm just a bad mutafucker.

― Sterling Clover, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Without Timbaland, current R&B would be as unlistenable as it was before Timbaland. His style is getting old though, that Tweet song is just annoying.

― Kris, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't mean to brag I don't mean to boast but I'd like some of that delicious french toast

Aping Dr. Seuss is one thing, but the Beastie Boys used this line more or less ("I'm intercontinental when I eat French toast") on their last album.

― Vic Funk, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm sure Timbaland studied that Beastie Boys album religiously for lines to steal.

R&B was not at all unlistenable pre-Timbaland, but I think it was coming up against a wall; I don't think "warm" swingbeat would have gotten much farther than TLC's Crazy Sexy Cool and the first two Mary J Blige albums. Meanwhile soppy ballads evidently had hit a brick wall, seeing as six years on they are exactly the same as they were then. With just a couple of singles ("Pony", "One In A Million") Timbaland pretty much implied the entire development of R&B since then (not to mention his influence on hip hop), and the fact that he's gone on to * dominate* that development is doubly impressive. (although tracks like Blackstreet's "No Diggity" and Babyface's productions for TLC - especially "Diggin' On You" - suggest that the R&B world would probably have gotten there eventually without Timbaland).

Further, I think Timbaland has done as much as anyone else to suggest a way *out* of the post-Timbaland years; what distinguishes tracks like Missy's "Get Ur Freak On", Bubba's "Bubba Talk", his own "Roll Out", Ms Jade's "Feel The Girl" and, to a lesser extent, Tweet's "Oops Oh My" is how natural they sound. There's a paradoxical live funkiness to their stuttering rhythms whose only other reference points I can think of are in 2-step. Compare/contrast with the deliberate rigidity of "What About Us" - I think the divide between funk and anti-funk will potentially come to dominate R&B/hip hop (and 2-step, for that matter).

― Tim, Thursday, 14 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tracer, I think you said something on another thread about Tim's "Drop" getting everything right that "..So Addictive" got wrong. Could ya elaborate on "wrong"? (sorry, i'm too lazy to find the thread in question.)

― Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Missy album can start feeling a little claustrophobic for me because I imagine that every nanosecond's been polished and sanded and provoked and sweated over. I dunno, "Drop" feels like a goof, like something Timbaland just had fun doing in the studio. The rhythm part is real natural - a guitar, shuffly drums, no keybs - and then these big horsey horns kind of bust into the verse "too soon" like they're drunk and overenthusiastic about everything. Then the whole song changes into a swanky synth club jam in a totally different key! It just feels relaxed and fun, kind of sloppy and simple and loose. (the rapping is weak though, chiz)

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

does that answer it? i guess i'm saying that at this point tim needs to do LESS, not MORE.

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 15 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no that's not quite right.

Timbaland's so obviously mega- talented and creative that i want to hear the sound of him trying to have fun, and on the Missy album (with the exception of Lick Shots and maybe one other) I hear the sound of Timbaland trying to make The Best Timbaland Track You'll Ever Hear which is to me infinitely more boring.

― Tracer Hand, Monday, 18 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

nine months pass...

you lot are stupid timbaland is the hottest producer in the world no one touches him for orignality and flava

― Paul Wright, Thursday, 16 January 2003 13:20 (twenty-three years ago)

Neptunes are just as great for me

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 16 January 2003 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

i am agog at sterling's post. terrible

― zemko (bob), Thursday, 16 January 2003 13:40 (twenty-three years ago)

four years pass...

i was right

― chaki, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

pfffffffft

― David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sorry, Chaki, but you have failed to account for the originality and flava of the hottest producer in the world.

― Pye Poudre, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

No, you were just 4 years early

― deej, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

arguably

― deej, Thursday, 1 March 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

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this article really, really got on my tits.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2007/02/scott_storch_is.php

Storch is a pop hack, and the world needs pop hacks, but that doesn't mean those pop hacks have license to attack actual musical geniuses.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:41 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.villagevoice.com/blogs/statusainthood/archives/2007/02/scott_storch_is.php

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)

i am so killfiled.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

Wow. I just learned from Breihan's fruitfly that Storch is Canadian. That makes my day.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

he's from FL
never trust a fruit fly

― deej, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

According to a comment below that's not true and Storch is from Philly and Florida.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

Damn you no xpost!

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know, Timbaland made a Ginuwine song sound pretty good. Thats gotta be hard to do.

Also, Scott Storch is not Canadian. According to that profile on him in NYT a while back "He was born in Brooklyn and grew up in Philadelphia and Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the son of a court reporter and a singer."

― pinder, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

That's not hard to do at all. There are tons of great Ginuwine songs (mostly all produced by Tim, but still.)

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

Wikipedia (I realize not the most reliable source) agrees with him.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

xposts

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

Born December 16, 1973
Origin Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

I would rather be predictable and boring and listen to Timberland beats than be interesting and contrarian and be forced to sit through Scott Storch productions, let alone his sorry ass rapping.

― Hurting 2, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:35 (eighteen years ago)

Erm, TimbAland

― Hurting 2, Thursday, 1 March 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

timbaland and storch are both/have both been fantastic.

― lex pretend, Friday, 2 March 2007 08:27 (eighteen years ago)

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btw has it already been said before how insanely much that attitude guy sounds like big boi?? he is at angelus/guerilla black level 4sure

― r|t|c, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20014238,00.html

― r|t|c, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

haha wow not many albums feature elton john AND tony yayo.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

i'm pretty sure Eminem could've hooked that up a long time ago if he wanted to.

― Alex in Baltimore, Thursday, 8 March 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

17.2 Man Show (n/h) ft. Elton John (n/h)

― and what, Thursday, 8 March 2007 18:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'll take only the first 12 tracks on that one please.

― matt2, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

in a weird way I think I'd rather hear the Magoo track than anything else on that tracklist.

otm. i gave the hives song about 30 seconds before deleting it and running norton's just to make sure it doesn't taint my hard drive.

― artdamages, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

i'm still kinda boggling over hinder

― strongohulkington, Thursday, 8 March 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'm interested in hearing the rock stuff just to see what he does. Has he ever produced rock material before? I know the Rapture were looking into him at one point.

― The Reverend, Thursday, 8 March 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoYBz4SRvJQ

man that MIA song sounds like its terrible

― deej, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

I'm interested in hearing the rock stuff just to see what he does. Has he ever produced rock material before

track down limp bizkit remix fir take a.look around . its got a nice bass line.

― mark e, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

"As for the closing 'Come Around', it's arguably the finest thing M.I.A. has ever done."

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/10bestcds/story/0,,1083296,00.html

he doesn't say if he usually thinks she's sh*t...

― fandango, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

That Fall Out Boy sounds terrible. I couldn't even tell what the M.I.A. track sounded like, but it didn't sound good.

― Alex in SF, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

the keri hilson track sounded really nice.

that's about all the +ve response i can muster.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 March 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

kill yourself is nice

― s1ocki, Thursday, 22 March 2007 23:10 (eighteen years ago)

Almost wrecked my car during one of the Keri songs.

― Andy K, Thursday, 22 March 2007 23:25 (eighteen years ago)

is there a away to buy a version of the album without the fallout boy track?

― wesley useche, Friday, 23 March 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

garbage.
every chorus sounds the same b/c of tim's overdubbed vocals, which are empty, shitty sounding fifths and fourths.
and the beats are pretty limp-wristed compared to his better stuff.
I came in with pretty low expectations but he still managed to fall short.

― hurdy girdle, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

Not to say there aren't parts of several songs that are pretty sexy...

but after one listen I didn't find a song that I liked on the whole.

― hurdy girdle, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:11 (eighteen years ago)

every chorus sounds the same b/c of tim's overdubbed vocals, which are empty, shitty sounding fifths and fourths.

i haven't heard the album but i know exactly what you're talking about. the other night Ethan sent me the song from the Ms. Jade record w/ Nate Dogg and for a second I thought it was Tim singing because pretty much every song he produces these days he has to do a bad Nate Dogg impression on the hook.

― Alex in Baltimore, Friday, 23 March 2007 03:15 (eighteen years ago)

You guys are harsh. This may not be the best thing he's done, but except for maybe the Fall Out Boy song, it certainly isn't bad at all.

― The Reverend, Saturday, 24 March 2007 06:29 (eighteen years ago)

i love the missy verse of that songs w/JT, Tim, and Dr. Dre....she's so awesome.
yeah overall the stuff i've heard isn't doing that much for me.

― M@tt He1ges0n, Saturday, 24 March 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

timbaland give it to me justin timberlake nelly furtado christina aguilera lil kim beyoncé knowles beyonce shakira beautiful liar candyman candy man upgrade u you timberland rap rapper ciara paris hilton brooke hogan hulk 50 cent the game g-unit g unit dr dre kanye west neptunes pharrell williams jay-z jay z lil wayne fat joe ludacris foxy brown britney spears bald music hip hop beat fresh new video mixtape eminem snoop dogg chris brown jennifer lopez mariah carey pussycat dolls fun funny beatbox beat box scott storch timbaland built like that dat nox beef diss piano man fuss f.u.s.s. lloyd banks what goes around say it right akon rihanna sean paul gwen stefani mary j. blige back to basics omarion icebox ice box fergie glamorous puff daddy timbaland diddy young jeezy ti t.i. hot madonna myspace google live performance freestyle swizz beatz young buck hold on cam'ron cam ron jennifer hudson paul wall irreplaceable promise trl get me bodied kitty kat green light freakum dress suga mama usher rich boy throw some d's on that bitch scream young jeezy diamonds on damn chain american idol mysto pizzi pollow da don bird flu lil jon

― jaxon, Sunday, 25 March 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

Results 1 - 4 of about 5 for "timbaland give it to me justin timberlake nelly furtado christina aguilera lil kim beyoncé knowles beyonce shakira beautiful liar candyman candy man upgrade u you timberland rap rapper ciara paris hilton brooke hogan hulk 50 cent the game g-unit g unit dr dre kanye west neptunes pharrell williams jay-z jay z lil wayne fat joe ludacris foxy brown britney spears bald music hip hop beat fresh new video mixtape eminem snoop dogg chris brown jennifer lopez mariah carey pussycat dolls fun funny beatbox beat box scott storch timbaland built like that dat nox beef diss piano man fuss f.u.s.s. lloyd banks what goes around say it right akon rihanna sean paul gwen stefani mary j. blige back to basics omarion icebox ice box fergie glamorous puff daddy timbaland diddy young jeezy ti t.i. hot madonna myspace google live performance freestyle swizz beatz young buck hold on cam'ron cam ron jennifer hudson paul wall irreplaceable promise trl get me bodied kitty kat green light freakum dress suga mama usher rich boy throw some d's on that bitch scream young jeezy diamonds on damn chain american idol mysto pizzi pollow da don bird flu lil jon". (0.50 seconds)

― The Reverend, Sunday, 25 March 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

the Nina Simone "Sinnerman" sample for the first track is pretty great. that's all i've listened to so far

― jaxon, Sunday, 25 March 2007 09:19 (eighteen years ago)

Surprisingly, there are 19 albums featuring both Yayo and Elton John

― R.O.Q.U.E., Sunday, 25 March 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

was yayo on the pac album with ghetto gospel?

― and what, Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Apparently not, although the rest of G-Unit managed to assist in that particular raping of the corpse.

― The Reverend, Sunday, 25 March 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

corpse-rapping

― and what, Sunday, 25 March 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.nnm.ru/imagez/gallery/doci/ghe/ghetto-1152039249_i_4687.gif

― The Reverend, Sunday, 25 March 2007 22:08 (eighteen years ago)

Misheard lyrics, pt. 34565

Dre on "Bounce"

I got a bunghole oh
Finger disappear for a week or so

― Andy K, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

well. i really love 'the way i are', its existence kind of redeems the whole project. and the MIA track is good too, and the 50 cent one, and the keri/nicole s is pretty lush.

the rest...wvs.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

the track he did with Bono "Something We Got to Give (To Be Free)" didn't make the cut, but it's fresh as all hell and I hate Bono.

― TynanTynan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 22:47 (eighteen years ago)

oh is 'the way we are' the hilson everyone likes?! i thought u all meant 'miscommunication', and agreed. the rest is completely dismal.

and the terrible 'promise' ripoff track as well! guh.

'miscommunication' is more like something off diddy's album really, not a million miles from 'last night' come to think of it. listening to this i kept wondering how press play managed to seem like such a winsome, generous folly (earnest even!) compared to how lame and sad this sounded. how did he do it! everyone hates pressplay anyway, whoever it was on here that said it was the rap version of paris hilton was bang on.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2007 23:45 (eighteen years ago)

'give it to me' is still the most punchable thing i've heard in ages. 'can i have it like that' 07 innit.

― r|t|c, Thursday, 29 March 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

According to the credits, Timbaland had absolutely nothing to do with the Ciara rip! And why did Money get it all to herself? No guest verses, grunts, etc.

Press Play, despite less Keri Hilson >>>>>>> Shock Value

― Andy K, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

my coworkers all hate press play : ( but acknowledged the greatness of last night

― deej, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:22 (eighteen years ago)

haha keri hilson sings the hook on xzibit hey now!?!?!?!!?! i am oddly fond of that shit

― r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:25 (eighteen years ago)

welcome back, tynan!!

― chaki, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

ok i am done perusing the hilson wiki and conclude her best work is 'right now' by pussycat dolls (which is excellent, rarely satisfying oldskool timbabeat too) and that tune i put on the rnb thread that no one ever had anything to say about. andy k is she really worthy of ur lust

― r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

also deej is it my imagination or was byron crawford himself not the one rap blogger that had anything good to say about it

― r|t|c, Friday, 30 March 2007 00:40 (eighteen years ago)

I like Press Play quite a bit. It's really 1/3 bad rap album and 2/3 good dance-pop album. Start it at "Come To Me" and you'd never know the difference. I wasn't aware most people hated it.

― The Reverend, Friday, 30 March 2007 02:16 (eighteen years ago)

NEW YORK - Timbaland, who's crafted hits for Justin Timberlake and Nelly Furtado, wants to help Britney Spears reclaim her once-stellar career.

"I feel her pain, it really bothers me," the 34-year-old rapper-producer says in an interview in Entertainment Weekly magazine's March 16 issue. "I'm the type of person who tries to save the world. I just want to take her away, go overseas, and work (it) out."

Timbaland says he invited Timberlake, his "best friend" and Spears' ex-boyfriend, to be part of that plan.

"I asked Justin, `How would you feel about me working with Britney?' I had to ask him that," Timbaland is quoted as saying. "I said, `Would you do it with me?'"

The 26-year-old "SexyBack" singer said he would, according to Timbaland, who notes: "She's just gotta be serious."

Timberlake's spokeswoman, Sonia Muckle, referred inquiries to Timbaland's spokeswoman, Monique Idlett, who didn't immediately respond to a phone call Wednesday from The Associated Press. Gina Orr, a publicist at Jive Records, Spears' label, didn't immediately respond to an e-mail message.

Last month, Spears, 25, checked into Promises Malibu drug and alcohol rehabilitation center in California, capping a week of bizarre behavior in which she entered and exited rehab twice, shaved her head bald and went out clubbing with friends.

"I just want to hold her hand," Timbaland says. "I want her to be in my camp, to be around Justin. I need Justin to talk to her. Help her, please!"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070307/ap_en_mu/people_timbaland

― lex pretend, Friday, 30 March 2007 06:46 (eighteen years ago)

What about Timbaland's production is supposedly genius? I'm not trying to be flippant or mean or rhetorical. I genuinely want to know more -- in layman's terms, if possible -- about why he's considered so good.

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 April 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

he makes one genius beat for every 30 incredibly dull ones.

― titchyschneiderMk2, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

he makes one genius beat for every 30 incredibly dull ones.

Okay, but what makes that one beat "genius"? By contrast, King Tubby and/or Lee Perry are, I think, considered geniuses for the way they used the production studio to scoop out elements of a song -- leaving evocative shards of vocals, guitar and so forth -- and the way they emphasized bass, echo and reverb, to create an entirely new song from the original track. So why is Timbaland genius?

― Daniel, Esq., Monday, 2 April 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

angular, evocative shards

― and what, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...

I don't own a CD player any more but my store-bought copy of Shock Value sounds horrible and distorted when I rip and play it. I can't listen to the actual CD to see if the same thing happens if I play it normally, but as a 320Kbps MP3 the tunes clip really hard. Is this normal or is it a security measure?

― the next grozart, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

sixteen years pass...

Wow so many terrible takes on this thread.

Anyhoo… Justin Timberlake, Nelly Furtado and Timbaland to cash in on early milennial nostalgia and drop a new single together.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwTGfu2ACG0/

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 August 2023 05:25 (two years ago)

If Danja is not involved who knows how it turns out.

― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 24 August 2023 05:28 (two years ago)

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