i have to write 100-150 word blurbs on albums i haven't heard

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by this afternoon.

and i would like ilm to do my thinking for me. any compelling points i should raise about these records?

Alice In Chains - Dirt
AC/DC - Back in Black
Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin 4
Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On
Van Morrison - Moondance
Stevie Wonder - Songs In The Key Of Life
Weezer - Pinkerton
Tom Waits - Sword Fish Trombones

i am starting to wish i had a greater knowledge of classic rock.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:36 (nineteen years ago)

They're all fairly good, some much higher than average, even.

musically (musically), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well, one interesting thing about Stevie Wonder you could mention is that he's not classic rock.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

Marvin Gaye - What's Goin' On

killed soul music dead

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

no it didn't. stop reading british music critics and ILM; start listening to music.

all those albs are dope and if u don't know them you should probably kill yrself b4 talking about music. well, except for fuckin WEEZER, everybody knows they completely suck ass. but yeah, everything else on that list Rools. Write that

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

Make sure to give proper attribution.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:57 (nineteen years ago)

Everything else talked to death but i guess one thing I would say about the AiC is kinda how wearying and sad the whole thing is ... really a piece apart from all the seattle jive at the time -- despite the fact that they got pegged as johnny-come-latelys/hangers-ons -- the shit is way more stark and depressing than alladat. fuckin sad and weird record that definitely sucks you in if you give it a chance. Cantrell just has these really sort of striking riff motifs .. these weird sounding chromatic thingys .. and the consistently double-tracked Staley vocals just give the thing a totally creepy air .. it's like Louvin Brothers meets Zep's Presence with a stiff rhythm section..

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 07:58 (nineteen years ago)

and hell "Sickman" sounds like the frickin Beatles! ok, so I helped you out with the hardest one; you should be able to write about Stevie, AC/DC et. al. in yr sleep...

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:00 (nineteen years ago)

if i wasnt already familiar with them, you almost make me want to hear Alice In Chains (which for me, is a "no"). QUIT USING YOUR POWERS FOR EVIL!

Jack Cole (jackcole), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:02 (nineteen years ago)

Led Zeppelin - Led Zeppelin 4

Anyone who's been near FM rock radio in the past 30 years has heard all these songs a million times, so just skip to the last track.

NoTimeBeforeTime (Barry Bruner), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

i've got a soft spot for pinkerton.

Harpal (harpal), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:10 (nineteen years ago)

no it didn't. stop reading british music critics and ILM; start listening to music.

hahhahahahaha ok moron

vahid (vahid), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

" if u don't know them you should probably kill yrself b4 talking about music"

am i allowed to talk about music i have heard, even if i haven't heard all these records?

thanks for help with alice in chains!!!!!!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah ... the great "vahid" and "weasel deisel" ... always the first guys that come to mind when I think about the history of soul music ... just so silly.

hows the weather in LA guys? is the new kompakt stuff slammin? I haven't had a chance to check Simon blog yet? please let me know

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

haha stormy i'm not so sure vahid's neccessarily gonna rep hard for new kompakt

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:37 (nineteen years ago)

doesn't mancuso (or some other 'forefather') rep 'what's going on' as protodisco?

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:38 (nineteen years ago)

stop being a tool stormy. what the fuck do you care that i don't know anything about soul music? i started this thread cheerily admitting my ignorance, so why do you think you're so smart for pointing it out, dickface?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

actually I have no prob with you at all Kilian ... I simply can't put up with hyper med-boy calling me a "moron" simply because I'm tired of ILM stylee contrarionism. Geez. Yeah, i'm fuckin SHOCKED -- SHOCKED I TELLYA -- to discover that What's Goin On is NOT GOOD!!!! like, fuck off and die, you know? or come correct with an opinion that's interesting thx

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

ok do they have an angle where you're not supposed to have heard any of them and it's gonna be 'witty ignorance' (cf. british critics writing about soul music) or is it as like an examination as to which critcliches have filtered thru? i mean who needs a 100 word blurb on zep 4 or what's going on in 2006 that's straight up 'assume yr reader is ignorant'? (ie. an original twist might be 'assume yr writer is ignorant'). why not just say 'i got nothing to contribute' - they have net access right? there's other writers out there with something to say about moondance or back in black or whatever.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

What's Goin On is an awesome album .. I like Vahid as a poster .. etc. let's get rid of anti-canonism PLEASE ... honestly parroting this type of shit, it's the total corollary to rampant YSI

let's RIP IT UP AND START AGAIN

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

haha

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to get the money for them if that's ok blount. i had already forewarned them that i might have heard some of the albums they wanted me to write about, and they're completely cool with me bluffing!!!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

here's a crazy idea, just hear me out - how about maybe actually listening to the records? i mean if you haven't heard them and are unfamiliar with the critline cliche cw surrounding them then yr thoughts on hearing them with 'fresh' ears might actually end up a fresh take or confirming whatever whoever wrote originally in 197_.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

or fuck pull a meltzer and just write about the album covers or whatever. make shit up.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

i have to do them by this afternoon (i said this uptop!), and i don't have copies of them - i would obviously listen to them if i had the time and money!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

i'd like to get the money for them if that's ok blount. i had already forewarned them that i might have heard some of the albums they wanted me to write about, and they're completely cool with me bluffing!!!
-- weasel diesel (kilian(dot)murphy24@mail.dcu.ie), April 1st, 2006.

might have = might (not) have.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

ysi?

gear (gear), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

ysol?

gear (gear), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

stormy, blount - sorry for being snappy, i'm clearly a tad stressed about the whole thing!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

you could look something up on the world wide interweb and steal it.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

naw .. hey Kilian, no way: I totally misread yr post .. I am the total moron in the exchange ... the ultimate of snappy; I didn't realize you were the original poster of thread. I simply thought it was another ILM stylee team-up against stupidly obv targets (sick of) .. but yeah, What's Goin On is great!11 talk about the frickin Kyoto treaty ... talk about his fucked up dad ... I mean, Marvin Gaye ... wow, such a hero to me .. I can't hear a bad word

JB might be the only one to get this one, but I just kinda feel like

Duke Basketball :: Pet Sounds
Duke Lacrose :: What's Goin On

Stormy Davis (diamond), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

haha yknow what's so weird is at those sweet sixteen games last week there was a middleaged guy sitting two rows in front of us wearing a duke lacrosse shirt and all week i've been thinking 'dude's probably not wearing that shirt again for AWHILE'.

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

that wasn't good.

Mr _Deeds (Mr_Deeds), Saturday, 1 April 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

i have to write 100-150 word blurbs on albums i haven't heard

er, this is for publication? and you're getting paid? sweet deal!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, though it would be a sweeter deal if they were albums i'd actually heard...

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

well i could do these blurbs 4 U in 1 hour EZ but not for free ;-)

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Now that the tardos have spoken...

Dirt— Boy, I like smack. Dad was in 'Nam. Also, I'll probably keep doing smack until I die. In an 'Angry Chair' (WTF?). Remarkably accurate.

Back in Black— Duh-duh-dnt duh-duh-dnt... Awesome AC/DC. You'll instantly know the songs, even the ones that are rarely on the radio. Great album.

IV— Stairway to Heaven. Less Tolkienism than previous outings, though still present.

What's Goin' On— Vastly overrated by white hippies. Good production, but lots of stupid lyrics. Title track is awesome, that fools people into thinking it's a good album.

Moondance— Morrison thinks he's jazzy, is really just smoov. My little brother and his high school girlfriend declared this "their" album and ruined it for me by playing it to death. YMMV.

Songs In The Key Of Life— Also overrated, uneven. Much like Prince or Marvin Gaye, sometimes the sheer heights reached make you forgive the maudlin crap. Also, he's blind.

Pinkerton— Great overlooked album that gets kinda boring by the end. Still, the first half is really excellent. By now it's been dismissed, then lauded, then had the backlash. Contrarians are confused.

Swordfish Trombones— Only heard this album while working with someone who loved it. OK, I guess, but depends on your tolerance for caberet and Waits' voice. Classic but inessential.

js (honestengine), Saturday, 1 April 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

Any AC/DC Album: Type "Piece of Shit". Copy. Past 20-30 times.

You'd get away with it for the Alice in Chains and Led Zeppelin albums too.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!! (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Saturday, 1 April 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

this is going to come out much snarkier than i intend it to, but how difficult is it to find music journalists who have heard / hold informed opinions about these albums?

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

and i don't mean this as a dig at killian at all, more magazines which are willing to comission writers to write about stuff they don't know at all. because it seems the editors are really at fault here.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

it'd be more difficult to find mj's who haven't heard/hold an opinion abt these albums, though clearly not impossible.

my offer $till $tand$ (lovebug starski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

no offense but why not listen to the albums -- maybe a song or two if pressed for time -- rather than solicit interweb ghostwriting?

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

it's a fair point, though i'm writing the pieces anyway (and have almost finished!).

what happened was i got a call asking if i could write 10-15 blurbs for the "best albums ever" thing in the mag by sat aft and i said yes i would. i asked, "if i haven't heard the albums, will i e-mail you back and you can get someone else to do them", they said nah its ok, just research them. i didn't know what albums they wanted me to do at this stage, they later sent me a list of 17 albums they wanted blurbs for, including the ones above (i have heard the other ones!).

it's probably bad form on their part, and it's probably unethical of me to do it, but they knew the score when they gave them to me, and i could use the money! i think they gave it to me because they know i can churn stuff like this out quickly and for a reasonable fee!

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

you'll go far young man

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

what happened was i got a call asking if i could write 10-15 blurbs for the "best albums ever" thing in the mag by sat aft and i said yes i would. i asked, "if i haven't heard the albums, will i e-mail you back and you can get someone else to do them", they said nah its ok, just research them. i didn't know what albums they wanted me to do at this stage, they later sent me a list of 17 albums they wanted blurbs for, including the ones above (i have heard the other ones!).

it's probably bad form on their part, and it's probably unethical of me to do it, but they knew the score when they gave them to me, and i could use the money! i think they gave it to me because they know i can churn stuff like this out quickly and for a reasonable fee!

oh, i totally understand, killian. have been put in similar positions before, though with enough time to buy the albums before deadline. its just... how could this lead to anything actually worth reading? beyond killian getting a chance to show off his writing chops, the opinions contained within couldn't hope to be anything other than innacurate or a blind survey of received opinion.

gah... i hate some editors.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

and i do think its the editors at fault, not killian. i mean, i wouldn't do this now, but when i was starting out? i did a fair amount of stuf i'm not remotely proud of, especially at melody maker and NME, just to get some work at all.

i am not a nugget (stevie), Saturday, 1 April 2006 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

You can dl Zeppelin IV for $0.72 here (probably the rest too - no Stevie last I checked:( ). Seriously, it's worth hearing if you've never heard the songs before(!).

Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 1 April 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

nick sylvester = maker upper

j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 1 April 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

i think they gave it to me because they know i can churn stuff like this out quickly and for a reasonable fee!
So now they'll know you're not even the one doing the actual "churning".

blunt (blunt), Saturday, 1 April 2006 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

i own, or have owned, every one of these albums and in the case of led zep and tom waits, i have loved them to death. i grew up on classic rock.

this is when you go on limewire or bittorrent or soulseek or whatever and download them all. it's all major label and they mostly all sold millions of copies so i wouldn't feel too bad about illegal downloading. except for swordfishtrombones. go buy that. you should anyway.

i'm not sure weezer belongs on a best albums of all time list. nor do i think led zep's 4 is better than houses of the holy or physical graffiti, but then again, i couldn't say. it's all fucking godhead, except maybe in through the out door or coda, but even those aren't bad. swordfishtrombones is not tom waits' best album, though it's pretty damned close. i'd say that honor goes to small change for his early stuff and mule variations or rain dogs for his later stuff. but swordfishtrombones was his breakout i'm-going-to-do-weirder-shit-now album, so maybe it belongs on there just by that fact. hmph. almost everything he's ever done is brilliant. it's a tossup.

i'm no help. just go download them all and listen to them in a huge spurt. it'll be incredibly rewarding, cause most of those are absolutely phenomenal. ps: stevie wonder and marvin gaye make soul music.

Emily B (Emily B), Sunday, 2 April 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Go on iTunes and get 30 seconds of each song. I doubt emusic has most of them, so that would have been out, I suppose.

Big Willy and the Twins (miloaukerman), Sunday, 2 April 2006 05:04 (nineteen years ago)

haha just to clarify:

- i only had a few hours to write all these blurbs, so going and getting the albums was not possible unfortunately, if i had a few days to do it i would have bought/borrowed them (my brother definitely owns a some of them) but they needed them in yesterday afternoon.

- re: "ps: stevie wonder and marvin gaye make soul music." - yeah, this was my fault for saying "i am starting to wish i had a greater knowledge of classic rock." upthread - i didn't mean to imply that *all* the albums on the list were rock, i meant, broadly speaking, this is a time where i wish i knew more about classic rock, because i'm writing blurbs for a best albums of all time thing, and a lot of them happen to be rock albums, rock albums that i haven't heard. i also wish i knew more about soul music, too, yes.

- also, i haven't actually stolen chunks of anyone's work, or taken quotes from anyone off the thread, i basically just had to write my own pieces on each album based on received wisdom and stuff i've picked up about them through the years, which is slightly different to just copying and pasting.

- also, apologies again for my snappish tone upthread.

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Sunday, 2 April 2006 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

i basically just had to write my own pieces on each album based on received wisdom and stuff i've picked up about them through the years, which is slightly different to just copying and pasting

slightly different but no less disengenuous. then again, when I was an edidiot at R0))ing $t0ne I used to suspect some (many?)reviews were written this way. glad you were able to make a few lbs/bux Killian but surely you understand why other music writers (or ex mw's) might find this thread a bit, uh, depressing. good luck!

next time: actually listening to the music -- even a 30 second taste -- will make it easier to write about. guaranteed!

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 2 April 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

jesus christ, it never ceases to amaze me, the conduct of your employers, kilian! funny stuff.

you should have taken the opportunity to make up some stupid VH1 style anecdotes.

Stevie Wonder-Songs in the Key of Life: "a little known fact, dire straits actually wrote every song on "songs in the key of life" however the lead singer of dire straits at the time was.........prince"

Van Morrison-Moondance-"Although weddings around the world chose "Moondance" for the first dance, few knew it was actually written as a critique of Southern Irish apathy concerning the troubles in Northern Ireland"

Led Zeppelin-Led Zeppelin 4-"The original lyrics for this album were written in vomit".

erm perhaps this is why I no longer work for the mag in question.

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 April 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Weezer-Pinkerton-"Often lauded as the blackest of all indie rock records, Pinkerton defined the sound of a generation"

Marvin Gaye-What's Going On-"Although Gaye never recieved an answer for his question here, this album would "go on" to sell several million copies, and he would "go on" to be a famous soul singer. What's Going On? What's going on; one of the greatest soul albums of all time. That's What's Going On. Go on."

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 April 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Tom Waits-Swordfish Trombones-"Waits trademark gravelly voice is so well known I've never even heard it. Here he brings a nocturnal album of gritty, witty wonder, pretty great. While the marimba solos suggested in the title never materialise, the record as a whole is staunchly unzeldalike, yet remains a starch shirted classic of hands on hips proportions. "

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 April 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

AC/DC-Back In Black-"They don't make them like this anymore. Take 4 Australian men, wrap them in delicious school uniforms and leave to cool off. Season and shake audiences out of their torpor. Roast in an oven of rock. Get an adult to help you with air guitar solos."

Ronan (Ronan), Sunday, 2 April 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

> surely you understand why other music writers (or ex mw's)
> might find this thread a bit, uh, depressing. good luck!

I'm not even a music writer and it depresses the hell out of me, despite having long abandoned the fanciful idea that journalists or their editors have any integrity these days.

Rombald, Sunday, 2 April 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

roffles @ ronan's!

Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Monday, 3 April 2006 10:49 (nineteen years ago)


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