JUNOS BEEF: BSS VS KALAN PORTER

http://www.crossbonesstyle.com/photo%20albums/photos-stuff/ottawa8.jpg vs http://www.festivaloflights.ca/photos/performers/kporter.jpg

I mean, DUDE, give it 5 years and Kalan Porter will be IN BSS.

jesus christ BSS fight the real enemy, like buck 65 and his horrible canadian music industry rap

He's right, Canadian Idol sucks ass and has only created one true star (Kalan Porter) in its three seasons.

Otherwise, Kevin Drew can fuck off for ripping CI while propping up indie music as the bastion of all that is pure and honest in the recording industry.

Who here watched the Junos, btw?

i watched the first five minutes (the buck 65 "rap" w/ shout-outs to nickelback & michael bublé) and then i killed myself

watched a bit of it. Chris Martin wuz kinda entertaining introing Bryan Adams's lifetime achievery.

Shawn Desman beat Jully Black, Devine Brown and Massari! WTF (vote-splitting, maybe?)

The Junos have an "Adult Alternative Album" award? How is that defined? Do I want to know? Perfomers over 50 that are still liked by people under 25?

I watched about half of it. BSS were godawful. Is that what they are supposed to sound like? All that arrogant, indie-rock posturing schtick is what turned me off this genre like, 15 years ago when bands like Gumball were busy scraping through the bottom of an already empty barrel. Where does this talentless moron get his ego from? Hey Kevin - you can't sing, you look like hipster scum and your music is decades out of date. Jeez, I can't wait for next year when this band don't exist anymore.

For the record, all 8 nominations garnered by the Canadian Idol folks were in categories that depend on the numbers of albums shipped or sold. As far as I know this has been the case for years, so BSS can easily turn the situation around by selling more albums. The odds are against it since sales figures for the Idols go through the roof when the album comes out as CTV (ie. Bell Globemedia, who also run about 20 cable channels, three radio stations and the Globe and Mail)gives them tons of promotion. CTV's involvement in the Juno's is what is slanting so much of the coverage to be about the Canadian Idol winners. There's a new series starting RIGHT NOW! Of course reality doesn't jive with the hype so they all go home empty handed, but CTV gets lotsa publicity for the new series. Hooray!

The fact that the big awards are based on sales makes for some really pathetic moments. The REALLY sad category was the best album of the year. Two Idol winners, Diana Krall's Christmas, Nickleback and Michael Buble. I mean, WHAT?

I never watch the Junos or ECMA's. They are both jokes. BSS getting a Juno is shocking. Where was Bryan Adams and Celine Dion?

I don't know much about East Coast music, but I figured the ECMA's were fairly credible (compared to, say, the Junos) because they're content to focus on a narrower range of genres, whereas the Junos feel the need to honour silly categories like "Adult Alternative".

ECMA's are pathetic because in Eastern Canada old fogies rule the roost, resulting in the ECMA's being a showcase of traditional music. Then again, there is very little in the line of interesting music in the maritimes/Newfoundland anyway!

ECMA's are kinda weird because they came to prominence when Celtic was HOT, and all of a sudden they were nationally broadcast and, y'know, whatever. WCMA's (and the WC is for "Western Canadian" which = Prairies, BC, and Yukon), however, are a ghetto and will likely remain as such FOREVER.

THE JUNOS CONTROVERSY KEEPS ON ROLLING:
KARDINAL TO BOYCOTT FUTURE JUNOS
http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2006/04/0307.cfm

yes!!

Well, there's no justification (other than sheer whiteness) for presenting the Alternative Category on TV, but not the Rap or R&B (though whitey won R&B for reasons that would probably leave tiny footprints in my brain if I ever found out) categories.

A few years ago, the Junos crammed all the "urban" acts into a seven or eight minute medley/clusterfuck. It was pathetic.

Kardi rules.

I cry every time I accidently watch the MuchMusic show where Kardi sits on a panel with NOBODYS (though Steve Anthony still rulez).

Kardi is the best thing about the VJ Search. Fuck it, they should trash all the dumb wannabes and make HIM the next VJ.

may be true about canadian idol kids going nowhere.. but for broken social scene to mouth off on something like that is hilarious!! like BSS are some sort of gods to our canadian 'music scene'. they deserve a nice smack in the hip sunglasses.. they have 200 years of experience?? what an arrogant thing to say!! give me a break!! do they expect to be taken seriously with shit like that?? They've done nothing more than to take a big dump on 'indie rock' for their own financial gain and get in a bunch of magazines. I won't even get into how weak their songs are.. and up till I read that.. I really didn't really have a reason for hating their bland innofensive pablum until i read this hilarious piece. And besides, I'd rather root for the canadian idol kids over fake indie rock dopes who think theyre rock stars because theyre riding something all the way to the bank.. dont lie to us broken social scene we know your in it for the money.,. stop mouthin off about other people till youve produced something of merit that can hold up to a canadian idol cover song!!

how much money can bss be in it for when they have to split it 18 ways?

Just for the record, generously assuming that 200 years number comes from all 18 members of BSS doing individual gigs that were 2 hours each, that would be 48,667 gigs per member.

I think she meant 200 yrs of experience as musicians (most likely as gigging/touring musicians), not 200 yrs of LOGGED HOURS ONSTAGE. And she's probably projecting her own history (Calgary Rock City, By Divine Right, community theatre musicals) onto the other members.
It's still faulty logic, because Canadian Idol is MASSIVE, so, like, just counting actualy Canadian Idol content, Canadian Idol participants (like, including the schmucks who only got on the show to be mocked) probably have a combined 8000 yrs of "experience".

“Collectively we probably have 200 years worth of gig experience."

I feel only empathy

The Mormon Tabernacle Choir (~ 300 members x 20 yrs singing experience per member) has 6000 years of gig experience. TOP THAT LESLIE FEIST!!!!!

Their expertise date back to the START OF RECORDED HISTORY, whereas BSS can only trace their roots to the French Revolution.

Buck 65 gave me and the Pink Mountaintops a shoutout before BSS performed their song.

I feel only empathy

i just realized.. broken social scene guy opens his mouth at the junos is the new slik toxik guy smashing up limo at junos.. a big hilarious disaster!!

"Adult Alternative" is the BDSM section of the video store.

That certainly explains Rufus being found there.

Ryan Malcolm says he’s not angry at Broken Social Scene’s swipe at Idol
By Angela Pacienza
TORONTO (CP) — Broken Social Scene created waves backstage at the Junos when one member of the indie band lambasted the state of the country’s music industry and bashed the Canadian Idol franchise.
But the group has received some surprising support from Ryan Malcolm, who won the inaugural season of the televised singing contest.
“They made a good point as far as the industry as a whole,” said Malcolm, referring to the comments made by Broken Social Scene front man Kevin Drew.
Drew said the industry needs to shrink so labels can better focus on developing talent with long-term career goals.
“It has to change . . . People are still going for the instant,” he said.
While Malcolm agrees the industry could do more to nurture artists, he challenged Broken Social Scene’s assessment that Idol winners are going “absolutely nowhere.”
“Only time will tell,” he said Tuesday when contacted by The Canadian Press. “I know that me, personally, saw Canadian Idol as a stepping stone. It wasn’t a guarantee for anything. I knew that I was going to have to work for my career if I wanted to have a lasting career.”
The rant by Toronto-based Broken Social Scene rant happened after the group won a Juno for best alternative album.
“In three years no one is going to remember (the Idol singers),” Drew told reporters gathered at the show, which was held in Halifax this year.
Malcolm, from Kingston, Ont., isn’t so sure.
“That comment might be a little premature,” said the singer, who has called Toronto home since winning the show in 2003.
“If you look at artists like Kelly Clarkson — obviously she’s done really well for herself.”
Clarkson, who won the first round of American Idol, was able to finally shake off detractors with her most recent album, Breakaway. She won praise from the finicky music press and the album even beat out Paul McCartney’s latest at the Grammys.
A waiter at his family’s restaurant before winning the national TV competition, Malcolm says he hasn’t been resting on his Idol laurels. He’s since formed a rock band, Low Level Flight, and is working on an album.
“It’s a huge step forward. It’s heavier music,” he said of the outfit.
“Hopefully people like that will eventually see me for the artist that I am — that’s the challenge that I have, to prove to other musicians that I can actually write a good song. I’m not just the ‘instant.”’
Since scoring success with his first post-Idol album, Malcolm has been largely out of the spotlight. He’s spent the last year working with his band on a new project, and even plans to shop it outside Canada where music fans are unaware of his Idol past.
A strategy, he says, that worked well for Broken Social Scene.
“They were huge outside of Canada before they were anything here,” he said. “Unfortunately that’s usually what happens. You have to make it big somewhere else and then you come back to Canada and there’s a big hype.”
Still, Malcolm harbours no ill feelings towards Broken Social Scene.
“I don’t blame him for the comments. That’s their thing. They’re the anti-mainstream band,” Malcolm said. “I can see why someone would think that because you get so much hype and such a fast-paced start that there’s only one place to go.”
Besides, added Malcolm, who knows what the future holds?
“I think we’re actually opening for Broken Social Scene next week,” he joked.

You were correct upthread -- former Idol winner joining BSS = MONEY.

It's no surprise that Malcolm would be the one to defend those comments, considering his fame fizzled faster than Justin Guarini's and he's back to writing Matchbox 20 songs in his living room.

I wish instead of expressing this sentiment via press release he had done so by singing "I Ain't Mad Atcha."

I don't think he sent out a press release, I think it took the Canadian Press 9 days to find the dude.

all this = douches in Toronto arguing w/ other douches in Toronto.

Will Juno award-winners Bootsauce pls. weigh in?

"I don’t blame him for the comments. That’s their thing. They’re the anti-mainstream band" hahahahahahahahah, i dont think he actually meant that to be cutting, but malcolm otm

I'd much rather listen to this Kalan guy than the other crap broadcast on the Junos. At least he's got talent!

It's simply sour grapes for BSS and many others. Had they, Jann Arden and the like had an opportunity to be 'instant' stars, they would have jumped at it too. A good singer is good regardless of how many years they've been at it.

I predict Kalan will be around a lot longer than they will. He really is pretty good. Even I'm surprised by how much I like him.

I think Malcolm's comments were right on. He see's the show for what it is, an opportunity, a stepping stone. The fact that he is no longer in the "idol" little girl fan base just proves he's a real artist who could care less about what people say. If you saw the Juno's you would know that for the most part the performances were shit..espcially BSS and that Hedley band what a joke!

case closed.