"brechtian punk" in boston: isolated incident? or ignorant observer...

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maybe there's a thread on this, but as far as i can make out this is getting discussed much...

there's an odd boston (far as i know) scene comprised of sort-of-goth bands attempting the sound of "Brechtian punk", in the words of the Dresden Dolls. I guess the idea is that it's rock music influenced by german cabaret? Anyway, everyone knows the Dolls nowadays, but there are loads of others; Rev. Glasseye, Beat Circus, Humanwine, etc. but all from around these parts... i haven't heard of this type of band from elsewhere. I've known about all these bands for quite a while, i guess i just never thought it was odd.

the natural inclination is to say that they're following in the footsteps of the successful Dresden Dolls, but i don't think that's the case (some have been around longer)

maybe this is part of a much larger scene, and i just have no idea.

thoughts, opinions, knowledge, etc:

sublime frequency (sublime frequency), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:06 (twenty years ago)

Boston is all about minimal techno these days.

Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

"brechtian punk" = neither nor.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

i've noticed :)

sublime frequency (sublime frequency), Friday, 7 April 2006 07:19 (twenty years ago)

show me the way to the next whiskey bar.

Washable School Paste (sexyDancer), Friday, 7 April 2006 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Man, I'm a big fan of Brechtian music, and I get annoyed at the folks who reduce it to mascara and bowler hats. The Dresden Dolls don't do it for me. Gogol Bordello has some moments, but has a lot of annoying moments, too. I don't know the other bands you talk about.

My all time favorite record in this genre is Dagmar Kraus's Tank Battles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagmar_Krause

And Agnes Bernelle's "Father's Lying Dead on the Ironing Board"

http://oook.info/xliberty/bernelle.html

The best recent practitionors are Tiger Lilies, who's site seems to be down now.

At any rate, these artists really get down the subversive humor a lot better. They don't get as hung up on the faux-Weinmar pose. They just treat the music as a starting point, not a retro affectation.

bendy (bendy), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Time to bust out the boots for the Ska festival. Isn't it true that Ska is making a huge return to fame - ie The Mighty Mighty Bosstones?

Mr. Butch, Friday, 7 April 2006 14:16 (twenty years ago)

I did notice the scene, not least because Spielerfrau get lumped in with it. It's not Boston-specific - I would put Man Man and Barbez and possibly the World Inferno Society there too. To tell you the truth, most of it doesn't seem to have much to do with Brecht and Weill beyond (or below) the bowler hat - musically, it's an offshoot of goth with some Tom Waits thrown in. Barbez are great, though. Rev Glasseye are frightful.

joseph cotten (joseph cotten), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:26 (twenty years ago)

No politics, no social criticism = what's the fucking point?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:30 (twenty years ago)

i think the brecht and weill influence is just an aesthetic thing, though it does sometimes seep in musically. it's all about dramatic images and strange beauty. i mean, check out these guys: www.myspace.com/tdbb. go get the dresden dolls dvd too, if you want. you can see me waiting in line for the show :-)

i think musically the main jumping off points are bowie and tom waits, though bands as disparate as the dolls, man man, devotcka, barbez and world inferno don't really sound all that much like one another. i'm not sure "goth" is really appropriate, though there's a tendency to assume that anyone wearing black with black eye makeup is somehow goth. maybe it would be better so say "bored art students", eh?

either way, there's a growing subculture of sorts that like to wear victorian dresses, paint their faces white, and sometimes blow fire and walk on stilts. there's the whole carnival/freakshow element in there as well. i think it's subsersive in it's own fun way - it's nice to see a cadre of bizarre looking individuals walking down the street amidst people with highlighted hair and polo shirts.

Emily B (Emily B), Friday, 7 April 2006 14:49 (twenty years ago)

the latest dolls record seems to actually be better than the last in terms of wry ironic storytelling, controlled highlighting of performativity, etc.

which has v. little to do with the stylistic "ooh, carnival!" stylistic quirks that seem to unite the larger "crowd" -- and more to do with a sort of attempt to reconcile the cult of the sad singer songwriter with the songwriter as WRITER tradition of, rilly, musical theatre more generally (and in which "brechtian" is just a sort of signifier of y'know more three-penny opera than of, say, mother courage or something)

i saw glasseye once though, yeah, and they were not very good.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 7 April 2006 15:02 (twenty years ago)

one of the bands the poster mentioned was HUMANWINE.

they are being called a Vaudeville-Anarcho Punk band.
They say thay are "Post-Apocalypitic Theatre with a socio-Political Tongue" when people ask them what they sound like.
All holly sings about is politics, social politics and songs for a revolution...they remind me of...well if mary poppins grew up listening to CRASS.
i'm going to see them tonight. they're headlining at TT the Bear's place with the beat circus and Guignol.

You should check them out.
http://www.humanwine.org and i think their Myspace page is run by a fan in Italy but it's always up to date.
http://www.myspace.com/humanwine.

that's all.
-j

jason werbe, Saturday, 15 April 2006 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Jill Tracy kind of fits in with this tendency. San Franscisco pianist-singer-songwriter, a fine line in sardonic black humor, great voice, involved in various Grand Guignol theatrical escapades.

http://www.jilltracy.com/

One of those semi-random internet finds. Couple of CDs so far, never far from my player

Soukesian, Saturday, 15 April 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Boston is all about minimal techno these days.

Right, because the one club that attempted a minimal techno night (Klik) lasted all of six weeks...

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 15 April 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Beat Circus played in new York last night but I missed it.. they have a former member of what, to anyone's knowledge, was the first hardcore metal band in Mansfield, Massachusetts, the notorious and completely unknown Classic Migraine ... they also have an ex member of the slightly more known Flower Gang, a sped-up alt-hardcore band .. twee punk, perhaps. Anyway,m the first Classic Migraine show - I think I'm getting this right - featured a very tall man in a suit, sitting in a chair on the stage and playing a bass with a razorblade

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 15 April 2006 17:38 (twenty years ago)


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